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Old 03-03-2014, 08:46 PM
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:47 PM
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In an article about "a recent study", (also reported on by the television news yesterday), regarding women apparently wanting to marry a financially successful man - rather than earn it themselves - half the report is a very strong personal put-down of the Duchess.
I wonder if the "recent study" asked men if they wanted to marry a financially successful woman - rather than earn it themselves. I know my husband wishes I was financially successful.
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Old 03-03-2014, 09:27 PM
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I wonder if the "recent study" asked men if they wanted to marry a financially successful woman - rather than earn it themselves. I know my husband wishes I was financially successful.
My father-in-law wishes I were wealthy, because his son's income doesn't allow him to pay rent independently. Now, who's a gold-digger? My husband doesn't care if I have money, but we still have tensions about certain aspects of money-related things. Sadly, we've not even been married a month. I think that men, as well as women can only look at the size of someone's bank account when choosing a life partner. Personally, I believe that you cannot help whom you fall in love with, so if you happen to fall in love with a prince, like Catherine has, then that's fine. She made a choice, and we're all free to make choices. The most important thing is, being able to live with the consequences, and Catherine is doing just fine.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:09 PM
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Is there a link so that we can read the article, or is in print only?
Good question cinrit.
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Old 03-03-2014, 10:20 PM
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Good question cinrit.

Hi TLLK,

You must have missed my post on the previous page.

Yes, the article is also on the internet if you're interested.

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Old 03-03-2014, 11:46 PM
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What a nasty jealous article

What I found offensive LadyCatharine, was the Duchess being referred to as "Middleton" - not even "Kate Middleton" - and more than once.

Not called for, regardless of anything else.

And I think the columnist was making a mistake in trying to cast Catherine as role-model to young Australian women.

CP Mary of Denmark probably fills the royal role-model position here, and now young women have moved on from Paris Hilton and the Kadashian girls, they are probably looking up to Katy Perry and such.

I also think the poor Duchess was dragged into it all because she and Prince William were all over the news yesterday with the release of the Tour itinerary.

The large wedding photo in the article in the newspaper drew my eye, and probably many others. Without it, the column might not have got much attention.

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Old 03-03-2014, 11:50 PM
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Would she be brave enough to say it to her face?

I wouldn't be suprised royalistbert - if she ever got the chance to be face to face with the Duchess - that she would be telling all her girlfriends and family about the thrill of it.

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Old 03-04-2014, 12:06 AM
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What I found offensive LadyCatharine, was the Duchess being referred to as "Middleton" - not even "Kate Middleton" - and more than once.
While the author did take some digs at the Duchess of Cambridge, referring to her as "Middleton" instead of "Kate Middleton" wasn't likely supposed to be offensive. Granted, it's silly (and misinformed) to refer to her by her maiden name almost three years after her wedding, but if she were still going by "Kate Middleton," using her last name in the context of an article wouldn't be offensive. In fact, it would be clunky to keep writing "Kate Middleton." It's common in journalism. For example, an article about the Prime Minister would likely identify him by name initially and by surname thereafter.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:33 AM
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Hi cinrit,

Yes, I've just seen your post and fished the paper out of the rubbish .

The columnist has her email, twitter and web addresses under her photo and banner.

Try www.sarrahlemarquand.com.au

The article is there, starting with "Girls, girls, girls. Has it really come to this?"

Format may not be the same as in today's paper - a large wedding photo is in the article with Catherine looking like the cat who got the cream. (I didn't go into the internet article completely to check.)

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Old 03-04-2014, 08:36 AM
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The article is there, starting with "Girls, girls, girls. Has it really come to this?"
Thanks, Sun Lion. I must say, it's quite a snarky article. I wish I could read minds as well as this journalist seems to be able to. The article is just as insulting to William as it is to Kate, since it insinuates the only reason Kate married him is because of who he is, not because she loves him.

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While the author did take some digs at the Duchess of Cambridge, referring to her as "Middleton" instead of "Kate Middleton" wasn't likely supposed to be offensive. Granted, it's silly (and misinformed) to refer to her by her maiden name almost three years after her wedding, but if she were still going by "Kate Middleton," using her last name in the context of an article wouldn't be offensive. In fact, it would be clunky to keep writing "Kate Middleton." It's common in journalism. For example, an article about the Prime Minister would likely identify him by name initially and by surname thereafter.
Best would be if Kate had been referred to by her correct title, The Duchess of Cambridge.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:19 AM
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It was made very on clear on the wedding day that she will be know by the title of HRH The Duchess of Cambridge. If that is too hard for them why don't they just use Catherine in the articles and use her title for start of sentences.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:47 AM
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I agree. I'm merely pointing out that while it is silly and strange to refer to the Duchess by her full maiden name, "Kate Middleton" sells papers. In that vein (and in light of the fact that there is so much that is offensive about the article), since they've opted to use the name that sells, it falls in line with established journalistic practice.

There wasn't this type of issue with Sophie because a) she was less high-profile, b) the courtship wasn't as public for as long as this one was, and c) outside of the manufactured resemblance to Diana, people weren't as interested. Unfortunately, it's irritating but the fact that there is interest in Catherine seems to help stave off any major republican sentiment, IMO.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:04 AM
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its not unusual at all to refer to kate as 'kate middleton', even in the british press. you'll find lots or article to this day referring to royal commoner names such as mary donaldson, daniel westling etc. the spanish press will refer to princess letizia 'letizia ortiz' even when she is attending official functions.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:57 AM
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I think the "Kate Middleton" thing has more to do with the fact that her correct title doesn't include her Christian name, she is HRH the Duchess of Cambridge. The incorrect (for divorced royals) use of her title by including her Christian name is too long, especially for headlines " Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge".

The same problem with the Countess of Wessex, the media usually calls her Sophie Wessex (at least they don't use her maiden name".

For ladies that have "princess" in the title e.g crown princess M or Princess of X, they simply call them Princess X eg Princess Mary, Princess Charlene.

I think when William becomes PoW, the media will simply call Catherine "Princess Catherine" like they called Diana "Princess Diana"
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:17 AM
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I think new Letters Patent need to be made so that a wife of a Prince can use her first name. It will end a lot of confusion. Then the media can have Princess Kate.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:30 AM
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The media will end up calling Catherine 'Princess Catherine or Kate' once she's HRH The Princess of Wales and I think the palace will end up saying that's fine to call her that. I think the media should be calling Catherine by her current official title though. Once they start doing that more often, the people will know who they are talking about.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:55 PM
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While the author did take some digs at the Duchess of Cambridge, referring to her as "Middleton" instead of "Kate Middleton" wasn't likely supposed to be offensive. Granted, it's silly (and misinformed) to refer to her by her maiden name almost three years after her wedding, but if she were still going by "Kate Middleton," using her last name in the context of an article wouldn't be offensive. In fact, it would be clunky to keep writing "Kate Middleton." It's common in journalism. For example, an article about the Prime Minister would likely identify him by name initially and by surname thereafter.


Yes Broadway Duchess, I see your point -and other posters, I know this subject comes up again and again.

When "Kate" is used in an article, I think there is some affection behind that, and I often use C or Catherine for expediency in posts, though "the Duchess" is probably just as easy.

I found it quite jarring Broadway Duchess when, years ago, Mrs Thatcher started being referred to as just "Thatcher".

(And we saw were that lack of civility and respect ended up, with the dreadful behaviour of some in the UK upon her passing.)

Same thing in Oz with our past female PM when reporters went from Julia Gillard to just "Gillard".

(Never was "Ms Gillard" though male PMs and MPs do get "Mr Surname" quite frequently.)

We also had quite a bit of just "Julia, but that was as a diminishing tactic, not out of goodwill or affection.

It would be nice if the media could grasp that the general public doesn't need pandering to at the lowest level of understanding of a subject.

We could probably all follow who the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge are - epecially when there is video footage, or a photo in the paper - with their report.

Cheers All, Sun Lion.
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:37 PM
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I think the worst is where you see something like this - Prince William and Kate Middleton to visit Australia.

It could easily be substituted with the Cambridges or William and Kate. It drives me nuts.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:24 PM
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Would she be brave enough to say it to her face?


Thank you so much, I needed a good laugh today and your comment was just the ticket..........
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:04 PM
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I think the worst is where you see something like this - Prince William and Kate Middleton to visit Australia.

It could easily be substituted with the Cambridges or William and Kate. It drives me nuts.


Hi Again Skippyboo,

I've seen someone side-step this issue in the local newspaper with "Prince William and his wife Kate".

"Catherine" still seems to be a no-go area though.

Let alone "Philippa".

(I remember reports Pippa was meant to be up-graded to the complete version of her name as well, being announced around the time of the wedding.)

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