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Old 05-24-2015, 08:36 PM
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That's what I have read as well (democratnmonocole).


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Old 05-24-2015, 09:20 PM
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That's bunk. Edward VIII had over 1 million pounds from the accumulated revenue of the Duchy of Cornwall and a smaller purse from the Duchy of Lancaster when he abdicated. In addition, ALL of George V's children had trust funds The Government refused to include the Duke and Duchess of Windsor on the Civil List, so George VI also had to fund them from his private funds. Edward VIII called daily in the first months of the King's reign asking for more money and to return to Britain. Finally the new King threatened to cut him off entirely if he didn't stop whining for more money. The King also had to pay at least a hundred thousand pounds to the Duke for Balmoral and Sandringham. I have less than zero sympathy for Edward VIII.
I assume that you did read my original post in which I stated: Of course Edward did accumulate wealth as Duke of Cornwall

I argued that he didn't have an income AFTER he stepped down as King - which he didn't have.

Why not:

Because he hadn't been the beneficiary of trust funds as his ancestors had expected him to have the ongoing income of first the Cornwall estate and then the Lancaster estate and hence they didn't need to provide him with an income for life.

Of course he was never going to be on the Civil List after stepping down - he was no longer in the line of succession, wasn't going to be doing royal duties and the parliament weren't going to pay him as if he was.

He lied to George VI about how much money he did have - to weddle more money but he was also correct in that after he stood down he had no ongoing source on income. That had stopped when he abdicated.

He did own Balmoral and Sandringham but he wasn't really a country person so the idea of living a country gentlemen's life and living on the income of those estates wasn't on option for him - but they would have given him an income.

George though did love them and wanted them so he and Edward negotiated for George to acquire them.

My source for this information comes from my grandmother's cousin who was a member of the government in 1936 and when I was studying this topic at university I wrote to him to ask if he had any information he was able to share - this is just some of what he wrote back in reply about the abdication and the period in which he was involved with the government (1920s to 1960s).
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Old 05-24-2015, 09:49 PM
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"King's Counsellor, Abication and War: The Diaries of Sir Alan Lascelles" (one of George V's private secretaries at the time of his death, and Assistant Private Secretary to Edward, Prince of Wales, for 9 years in the 1920s), edited by Duff Hart-Davis, tells us that under George V's will, each of David's brothers was left about three-quarters of a million pounds in cash, but he was left nothing. Not only did he receive no cash but he was precluded from converting anything such as the stamp collection, racehorses, etc., into ready money.

David was furious and Lascelles believes the will resulted in him altering plans and observed that he spent a very large chunk of his time over the next 10 months on money-making schemes, "despite the fact that his private fortune, amassed under Revelstoke's able direction while he was Prince of Wales, already amounted to nearly a million - which sum he took with him, of course, when he finally left the country; it was substantially increased by the very considerable sums which his brother paid him for his life interest in the Sandringham and Balmoral estates, so that by the time he married, having no encumbrances, no overhead charges and no taxes to pay, he was one of the richest men in Europe - if not the richest."

The "Revelstoke" referred to was John Baring, 2nd Baron Revelstoke, a director of the Bank of England, a partner in Baring Bros., and Receiver-General of the Duchy of Cornwall from 1908-1929.
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Old 05-24-2015, 10:06 PM
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Last few tweets are all very interesting but have nothing to do with William's future.

how about getting back on course folks!
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Old 05-31-2015, 03:25 PM
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The Duke of Cambridge is set to return to work tomorrow as an air ambulance pilot after taking a break around of the birth of his daughter Princess Charlotte-
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Old 05-31-2015, 06:59 PM
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I just keep thinking at some point paps will really work to get him piloting the heli on film. It would be a new reason for ambulance chasing (sorry, I could not resist the pun).
In the US - we have people (and news agencies) who listen to police monitors to find out where stuff is happening and go to the scene. So, in the US, if you own a monitor - you can make your way to the scene of accidents, crimes, etc. Sometimes they airlift from the scene. Is there such as these monitors in the UK - or is this info more private?
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Old 05-31-2015, 08:03 PM
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I just keep thinking at some point paps will really work to get him piloting the heli on film. It would be a new reason for ambulance chasing (sorry, I could not resist the pun).
In the US - we have people (and news agencies) who listen to police monitors to find out where stuff is happening and go to the scene. So, in the US, if you own a monitor - you can make your way to the scene of accidents, crimes, etc. Sometimes they airlift from the scene. Is there such as these monitors in the UK - or is this info more private?
Ohh, I hope nothing like that will start happening! It would be horrible
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Old 05-31-2015, 08:19 PM
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I just keep thinking at some point paps will really work to get him piloting the heli on film. It would be a new reason for ambulance chasing (sorry, I could not resist the pun).
In the US - we have people (and news agencies) who listen to police monitors to find out where stuff is happening and go to the scene. So, in the US, if you own a monitor - you can make your way to the scene of accidents, crimes, etc. Sometimes they airlift from the scene. Is there such as these monitors in the UK - or is this info more private?
Based on a quick google search, it seems that in the UK, people can no longer use police scanners to listen to police radio traffic, as it's now digitally encrypted (however, I don't know if this applies to all communication between first responders). That's good to know. In the US, a lot of people will live stream the police scanner traffic online, so almost anyone can have access to it (though I frequently hear about it being used for the purpose of news gathering, rather than people actually trying to show up somewhere.)
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Old 06-01-2015, 12:15 AM
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William needs to start attending BP Garden Parties.

Beatrice, who is six years younger, has attended a few. Harry and Kate have attended.

William at 33 should have been attending these BP gatherings since he was a teen. At 33, he is a bit long in the tooth for not having attended one. He should start attending these very soon. If he should ever become monarch, it would be his responsibility to host them.

It is interesting that some people want him to attend the State Opening of Parliament before he has ever attended a BP Garden Party. (Or did I miss William's grand entrance into the BP Gardens?.)

He should first get several BP Garden Parties under his belt followed by a few BP State dinners before he is ready for the State Opening of Parliament.
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Old 06-01-2015, 12:56 AM
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I believe it's called "Cherry picking" and of course, Garden Parties are all about mixing and talking to people. It seems reception lines at movie premieres are as far as William is willing to go.

At least he gets to see a movie rather than just eat a cucumber sandwich!
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Old 06-01-2015, 01:24 AM
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I believe it's called "Cherry picking" and of course, Garden Parties are all about mixing and talking to people. It seems reception lines at movie premieres are as far as William is willing to go.

At least he gets to see a movie rather than just eat a cucumber sandwich!

Funny.
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William has actually attended a garden party. He attended one that was hosted by his father at Holyroodhouse.

Prince William says thank you to Scotland at Royal Garden Party
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But even if he hadn't attended one, I don't see why it's cause for concern. Garden parties aren't the only place to mix and talk to people. William has attended plenty of events (not just movie premieres) where he's had to interact with people/the public.
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:03 AM
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Why William haven't attended a royal garden party in years is beyond me!
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:25 AM
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William has actually attended a garden party. He attended one that was hosted by his father at Holyroodhouse.

Prince William says thank you to Scotland at Royal Garden Party
Prince William, Towering Above The Crowd, Accompanies Prince Charles... News Photo | Getty Images

But even if he hadn't attended one, I don't see why it's cause for concern. Garden parties aren't the only place to mix and talk to people. William has attended plenty of events (not just movie premieres) where he's had to interact with people/the public.
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:29 AM
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Although I know the garden parties are listed in the court circular and are considered "official" engagements, to me it always seems to have a flavor of "Come and have tea with the Queen and the Royal Family" and is very much a social event. The garden parties were started to replace presenting the debutantes to the Queen at the Palace and the guest list was comprised from various walks of life and accomplishments. The members of the family that attend are varied as I imagine it is who is available and can be there. These parties just might not be William and Harry's cup of tea right now and its not something that is forced on them and I've never really seen a reason to complain about it.

In due time, Will and Kate will take their place at these parties just like other royal events. There's just no hurry.
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Yeah, I've got to say, I don't see the garden parties as being any particular rite of passage. They don't require any special skills. The royals don't even have to really mingle as much as they do at an average engagement or walkabout: the guests they interact with at the parties are generally preselected, no? Then some brief (and often stilted) small talk. William is a grown man who appears to have perfectly normal social skills, so in the grand scheme of Royal events, I don't really feel particularly concerned that he isn't spending years attending the garden parties to perfect his small talk. As Osipi said, he'll go in due time. And I'm sure he'll do just fine.
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William needs to start attending BP Garden Parties.

Beatrice, who is six years younger, has attended a few. Harry and Kate have attended.

William at 33 should have been attending these BP gatherings since he was a teen. At 33, he is a bit long in the tooth for not having attended one. He should start attending these very soon. If he should ever become monarch, it would be his responsibility to host them.

It is interesting that some people want him to attend the State Opening of Parliament before he has ever attended a BP Garden Party. (Or did I miss William's grand entrance into the BP Gardens?.)

He should first get several BP Garden Parties under his belt followed by a few BP State dinners before he is ready for the State Opening of Parliament.

I think we are really being nit picking now if we start on this. As has been pointed out many many times he is part time royal who works. But for some people he would never do enough. I'm sure he can walk and talk so will be fine doing them when he needs too.


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Old 06-01-2015, 05:31 AM
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William needs to start attending BP Garden Parties.

Beatrice, who is six years younger, has attended a few. Harry and Kate have attended.

William at 33 should have been attending these BP gatherings since he was a teen. At 33, he is a bit long in the tooth for not having attended one. He should start attending these very soon. If he should ever become monarch, it would be his responsibility to host them.

It is interesting that some people want him to attend the State Opening of Parliament before he has ever attended a BP Garden Party. (Or did I miss William's grand entrance into the BP Gardens?.)

He should first get several BP Garden Parties under his belt followed by a few BP State dinners before he is ready for the State Opening of Parliament.
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I think we are really being nit picking now if we start on this. As has been pointed out many many times he is part time royal who works. But for some people he would never do enough. I'm sure he can walk and talk so will be fine doing them when he needs too.


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I have to agree with Rob on this. He is a part-time royal, and has to carefully plan his time. Personally, I would much rather that he continue to spend time on the causes that he prefers to champion (Wildlife conservation, the Armed Forces, Football.....) than use that time for Garden Parties. HM, Prince Philip, C&C, supported by a few more junior members of the family are just fine for Garden Parties.
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Old 06-01-2015, 09:10 AM
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I've been to a Garden Party and what happens is that the guests (all 2000 of them) arrive early afternoon and have the place to themselves - wander around the garden, have tea and meet people. Those attending are from all walks of life. There is a tendency now to have special garden parties - ie last year there was one for the military and that is the one Harry attended.

Eventually the Royal party arrive and the guests are put into clusters. The royals are "allocated" to a cluster. Certain guests are pre-selected to talk to HMQ but as far I remember that is the only occurrence. Probably only 100 get the chance to talk to a member of the BRF.

The event is for the guests to enjoy BP and does not stretch the skills of any of the royals. It isnt a rite of passage and I think the snarky comments about William are unwarranted.
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I think the snarky comments about William are unwarranted.
If ENTIRELY predictable.
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