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Old 11-04-2014, 08:34 AM
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Because after 60 plus years of one monarch I think the government of the day will want to make big changes to the relationship it has with the sovereign and Charles will resist this.

I think Charles wants an old fashioned monarchy for lack of a better term and I think the Parliament will want to strip it of all but it's basic functions.

If there is a showdown and I think there will be Charles will come out on the short end of the stick.
Lets wait and see. No UK politician has really indicated an intention to change the status quo in any material way. Lets also not forget that Charles is quite a shrewd operator.
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Old 11-04-2014, 09:57 AM
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There is no debate about change at all. A few MPs have riased concern about the fact there is a power of veto but as everyone else has pointed out that it hasnt caused any probs to date, it will probably go away.

This is the William tyread, not the Monarchy under Charles. p
Perhaps the main reason for William doing more is to give people something factual the talk about instead of just speculating.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:24 AM
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I have no way of knowing how old any of our posters are, but I do know one thing: what and who one is at 30 is frequently vastly different from his/her persona at 40, or 50, or 60. William as king in the fullness of his years will be a very different man than he is now. Certainly the Charles of 30- and I won't spell it out- was not the man he is now at 65.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:27 AM
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I have no way of knowing how old any of our posters are, but I do know one thing: what and who one is at 30 is frequently vastly different from his/her persona at 40, or 50, or 60. William as king in the fullness of his years will be a very different man than he is now. Certainly the Charles of 30- and I won't spell it out- was not the man he is now at 65.
I was just thinking this very same thing.
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Old 11-04-2014, 10:49 AM
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  • The majority of those asked said Charles should become the next king
  • However, 58 per cent said Prince William would be a better monarch
Blow for Camilla as new poll shows majority of Britons want the Prince of Wales on the throne next... but say she should only become Princess Consort | Daily Mail Online
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Old 11-04-2014, 11:41 AM
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I still wonder why there is all this talk of skipping! Charles will do a great innovative and modern work! William will be king when it's time... And judging from what he has said and done I don't think he wants his father to step down for him.
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Old 11-04-2014, 12:55 PM
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The 'dumbing down' started in 1969 and it can't be stopped.

The old days of the royals been seen and not spoken to have long gone.

The public have come to believe that as they pay for their lifestyle they have a right to know what they are doing AND an expectation that the will also work for the nation - something William and Kate don't seem to want to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if William is the last King - simply because he comes across as so reluctant whenever he is in public and Kate is even worse.

Charles will hold it together but William just doesn't want to do it - will do as little as possible as King and not encourage anyone else to show him up so I can see him doing nothing in public other than the State Opening each year and the weekly meetings with the PM and the monthly council meetings. He just comes across as so paranoid about being seen by the public AND the press that he will retreat without the excuse that Victoria had.
Well, it's interesting to read this. For me personally, provided that William is consistent in his approach and springs no surprises on the nation he has every possibility of being successful in his life's role.
The Queen has managed never to dumb down in spite of the public's expectations and her popularity is as high as ever it was.
I realise this thread may have gone slightly off topic, but one of William's responsibilities to my mind is to ensure the continuation of the Monarchy - and not just providing it with an heir.
I just don't want him to go down the route of trying too hard to be funny or all things to all men or be disingenuous to gain popularity. It is a risky strategy to simply be oneself and to hold media intrusion at bay, but it is one that has been successful for his grandmother.
It's a balance and whilst William is young and in the position of being heir to the heir so to speak, he may as well stick to how he wants things to be in the future so, as I say, we have no surprises or no other expectations other than what we have from him now - I'm getting used to it so I am sure others will too.
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Old 11-04-2014, 01:03 PM
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Its also a generational thing. In the interview he gave to CNN last year William said he and Harry were raised to do things on their own. So I think people of his generation identify with this. This is what everyone praised Diana for, raising two down to earth princes in touch with the common man
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:31 PM
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A Prince of Wales's role is to wait. He has no formal functions and has no constitutional powers (although he can act as the Sovereign's deputy). Today's Prince of Wales, however, receives cabinet papers and gives audiences to cabinet ministers
(The Monarchy and the Constitution, by Vernon Bogdanor, 1995).

Given that William as 2nd in line must wait even longer its very commendable he has taken up such an important job with the air ambulance. It allows him to give back to the country while also being flexible enough to carry out engagements
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:41 PM
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A Prince of Wales's role is to wait. He has no formal functions and has no constitutional powers (although he can act as the Sovereign's deputy). Today's Prince of Wales, however, receives cabinet papers and gives audiences to cabinet ministers
(The Monarchy and the Constitution, by Vernon Bogdanor, 1995).

Given that William as 2nd in line must wait even longer its very commendable he has taken up such an important job with the air ambulance. It allows him to give back to the country while also being flexible enough to carry out engagements
I think it's great that William will work in the Air Ambulance for the next two years. I think everything will be fine just as long as there is a healthy balance between his outside job and royal duties. I'm not sure he and Catherine can be seen as backing away from royal duties. Especially not now when The Queen is about to turn 90 and Prince Philip going into his mid 90's.
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:45 PM
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when does the air ambulance job start? i don't know if william really is reluctant or doesnt really know what to do with himself apart from avoiding royal life but his acitvities come across as confusing, there is no visible central theme that he seems to be following considering that his life path is pretty clear, a little bit of this or that, one step back, one step across etc etc, i am missing an idea what to do with him with regard to his royal future, either he is incredibly clueless or in denial regaring his future or arrogant enough to think he can be king completely on his own terms, or his pr team is incredibly bad. or both.
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:47 PM
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I think it's great that William will work in the Air Ambulance for the next two years. I think everything will be fine just as long as there is a healthy balance between his outside job and royal duties. I'm not sure he and Catherine can be seen as backing away from royal duties. Especially not now when The Queen is about to turn 90 and Prince Philip going into his mid 90's.
Yes but the duties of the Queen can only be performed by the Queen. Whether she's 90 or 190.
William and Kate working with their charities doesn't have any impact on the Queen. Same goes for Harry.
If the time ever comes for someone to step in it will fall to Charles as heir and not William
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:13 PM
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when does the air ambulance job start? i don't know if william really is reluctant or doesnt really know what to do with himself apart from avoiding royal life but his acitvities come across as confusing, there is no visible central theme that he seems to be following considering that his life path is pretty clear, a little bit of this or that, one step back, one step across etc etc, i am missing an idea what to do with him with regard to his royal future, either he is incredibly clueless or in denial regaring his future or arrogant enough to think he can be king completely on his own terms, or his pr team is incredibly bad. or both.
It is due to start in the new year - he has been taking exams (I think he said 14!) over the past few months.

He isn't arrogant or clueless IMO. He may not be conforming to your or other's ideas of what he should be doing. This is a rewind of this argument which has gone on for months.

For me it is simple. We were told that the Cambridges would not be full-time; we were told that they would support their charities; also told that they would support the Queen; and William said that (paraphrasing here) "You do what Granny says".

So I don't have any issue with the current course of events. Sure, it would be nice to see more of them but I accept that what is happening is in line with what we were told.

Air ambulance work is public service. It can be risky and stressful. William doing it is admirable IMO. And Granny is in agreement
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:33 PM
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I think the balance is just right. William, Kate and Harry take up all the press as it is, more engagements just means more coverage.

When Charles and Camilla went to Mexico and South America, one British journalist went along and left before the tour was over. Compare this with Harry in Oman or the Cambridges in New York next month.

The BRF takes the term approach and right now its best the younger royals don't suffer from overexposure
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:37 PM
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Yes but the duties of the Queen can only be performed by the Queen. Whether she's 90 or 190.
William and Kate working with their charities doesn't have any impact on the Queen. Same goes for Harry.
If the time ever comes for someone to step in it will fall to Charles as heir and not William
Yes, I know some of the duties The Queen performs can only be performed by Her Majesty. The work senior members of the royal family perform is all about increasing the role or range of The Queen and supporting her and the "Firm". What I'm saying is that William & Catherine can't be seen retreating from their official royal roles, especially when The Queen is approaching her 90's and will need the extra help. They have to maintain a good balance between their royal duties and William's Air Ambulance job. They can't go back to how things were before because it presented problems and William actually admitted this.
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:40 PM
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A Prince of Wales's role is to wait. He has no formal functions and has no constitutional powers (although he can act as the Sovereign's deputy). Today's Prince of Wales, however, receives cabinet papers and gives audiences to cabinet ministers
(The Monarchy and the Constitution, by Vernon Bogdanor, 1995).

Given that William as 2nd in line must wait even longer its very commendable he has taken up such an important job with the air ambulance. It allows him to give back to the country while also being flexible enough to carry out engagements
This is an article Vernon Bogdanor wrote for the Telegraph earlier this year. He's talking about Prince Charles and it applies doubly so for Prince William

The Queen and Prince of Wales's job share will not be a regency - Telegraph
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Old 11-18-2014, 03:48 PM
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I think everyone knows the roles and responsibilities of the senior members of the royal family but they all have a role to play and have to be seen doing their duties.
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But when people talk about the Queen getting older in relation to William's role the implication is he will be the one to step in for her, when in fact it will be Charles.

Like it or not William has the enviable position of being the Queen's grandson and not her heir.
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Old 11-18-2014, 04:03 PM
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Because (God forbids it) Charles might be old when he becomes king (Maybe in his 80s) and if something happens he might have a very short reign... And William would find himself heir apparent and king in a short time... It might happens otherwise but nothing is ruled out...
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But when people talk about the Queen getting older in relation to William's role the implication is he will be the one to step in for her, when in fact it will be Charles.

Like it or not William has the enviable position of being the Queen's grandson and not her heir.
We all know that it's Charles who's the first in-line to the throne and will step in for The Queen whenever he can but William is second in-line, 32 years old and have to be seen doing his part too because he too have an important role to play. I think it's inevitable that William and Catherine's royal role increase because The Queen is approaching 90 and Prince Philip approaching his mid 90's, the younger royals have to be seen willing to help out more and taking bigger roles. That's just how it goes. It's The Queen that was sending Catherine to represent her in Malta and I'm sure, when Catherine is able to do so, there will be another solo trip for her to perform.

The Cambridge's too have important roles to play and must be seen doing so. That's all I'm pointing out.
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