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Old 11-01-2014, 02:47 PM
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I agree... it is the Queen who decides...
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:03 PM
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We are all told that the Queen decides... and perhaps she has decided it is just best to give in to William.

I'll do ILuvBertie one better; even when Charles is King/Regent, we still won't see Will and Kate working full time for the firm. And when Will is King, he'll try and cut as much of those public appearances out as possible.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:19 PM
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when Will is King, he'll try and cut as much of those public appearances out as possible.
I really think that is unlikely.. His Grandmother, and Father will have imbued in him a sense of duty that will enable him to see the risks [both to himself, his dynasty and his country] of such a selfish strategy..
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:19 PM
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I agree 100% and William's statement says it all:

And fighting them off, or balancing the two of them, has proven quite difficult.” It screams RELUCTANCY all over.
Considering the time frame of when he made this statement, I would be more likely to credit it to frustration rather than being reluctant. The interview was in May 2012 and along with his duties with SAR, it was the year of the Diamond Jubilee and the London Olympics. He must have felt he was being bombarded from all angles with requests for him to attend this and promote that while still working full time with SAR. I can remember times that year when he would get off duty in Wales and head directly to London for some kind of engagement.

2012 was an exceptionally busy year for the BRF. I think they were all a bit harried when it was finally over and they could breathe.
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Old 11-01-2014, 03:41 PM
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I really think that is unlikely.. His Grandmother, and Father will have imbued in him a sense of duty that will enable him to see the risks [both to himself, his dynasty and his country] of such a selfish strategy..
I agree. I find it hard to understand why people are so anxious and angry about how the BRF manages its personnel. And it certainly wouldn't be good for Charles and Camilla to have William and Catherine out and about too much. I'm sure that C&C are not remotely jealous of the younger couple, but now is the time for C&C to have attention focused on them so that they can be 'beloved' when they/he take the throne.
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Old 11-01-2014, 04:29 PM
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Considering the time frame of when he made this statement, I would be more likely to credit it to frustration rather than being reluctant. The interview was in May 2012 and along with his duties with SAR, it was the year of the Diamond Jubilee and the London Olympics. He must have felt he was being bombarded from all angles with requests for him to attend this and promote that while still working full time with SAR. I can remember times that year when he would get off duty in Wales and head directly to London for some kind of engagement.

2012 was an exceptionally busy year for the BRF. I think they were all a bit harried when it was finally over and they could breathe.
Also don't forget that at beginning of 2012 he was in the Falklands for the beginning of the year. The year before he asked to go to NZ after the Christchurch earthquake to represent the Queen weeks before the wedding and he had to go back to the RAF as soon he got back.

The Queen missed out on the early years of Charles and Anne. Charles left the Navy for the Silver Jubilee and was a busy PoW for his kids early years. Maybe both the Queen and Charles, are giving William the opportunity to enjoy his kids before the royal life becomes his job until he dies?


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Old 11-01-2014, 04:51 PM
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We are all told that the Queen decides... and perhaps she has decided it is just best to give in to William.

I'll do ILuvBertie one better; even when Charles is King/Regent, we still won't see Will and Kate working full time for the firm. And when Will is King, he'll try and cut as much of those public appearances out as possible.
I think this is just a tad harsh. No one knows what kind of man William will be when he becomes the Heir Apparent. Let's be honest; what we think about certain things in our 30s may very well be very different from what we think when we reach our 40s and 50s. However, I highly doubt that William will shirk his duties once his father becomes king, or once he himself is on the throne. He was taught to understand what his life entails, and if he chooses to disregard it after he's crowned, he'll be throwing away a rather revered institution. Underneath it all, I think William has deep respect for his station in life. He just wants to make sure he lives it on his terms, which is fine, at least for now.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:02 PM
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I think this is just a tad harsh. No one knows what kind of man William will be when he becomes the Heir Apparent. Let's be honest; what we think about certain things in our 30s may very well be very different from what we think when we reach our 40s and 50s. However, I highly doubt that William will shirk his duties once his father becomes king, or once he himself is on the throne. He was taught to understand what his life entails, and if he chooses to disregard it after he's crowned, he'll be throwing away a rather revered institution. Underneath it all, I think William has deep respect for his station in life. He just wants to make sure he lives it on his terms, which is fine, at least for now.
I think it's important to remember he is also his mother's son; it's not just his paternal grandparents and father who have influenced his life and attitudes.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:08 PM
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It isn't just 'his terms' on which he has to live his life once he is King but also on the terms of the people over whom he will be King. If he doesn't meet their standards and satisfy them he will lose it all.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:11 PM
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The Queen missed out on the early years of Charles and Anne.

She chose to miss a large part of Charles' early years by leaving him in London while she went to Malta or elsewhere e.g. she returned from Malta and went straight to Sandringham one time - where was her son - in London. Most mothers wouldn't have left their child in the first place but would have insisted that he went with her to spend time with both parents in Malta but not The Queen - left him in the UK. Then when returning after a couple of months of not seeing her son rather than go and see him left him for a few more days before he was taken to her at Sandringham.

I am not talking about after she became Queen but beforehand.
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:38 PM
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I think it's important to remember he is also his mother's son; it's not just his paternal grandparents and father who have influenced his life and attitudes.
You're absolutely correct; from his mother he learned how to be a kind, and compassionate human being, who cares about others, and wants to help as much as possible. I'm sure he also saw that his mother had flaws, and learned from those as well. Now, what does his mother's influence have to do with him putting on hold becoming a full-time royal? Perhaps he remembers how stressful it was for his mother during her early years? I bet that influenced him to take step back from his public life, and concentrate on raising a family, and oh yeah, following his heart, and doing some good. Yes, I can see how that kind of influence can be a problem.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:05 PM
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You're absolutely correct; from his mother he learned how to be a kind, and compassionate human being, who cares about others, and wants to help as much as possible. I'm sure he also saw that his mother had flaws, and learned from those as well. Now, what does his mother's influence have to do with him putting on hold becoming a full-time royal? Perhaps he remembers how stressful it was for his mother during her early years? I bet that influenced him to take step back from his public life, and concentrate on raising a family, and oh yeah, following his heart, and doing some good. Yes, I can see how that kind of influence can be a problem.
Those were not the characteristics that I had in mind. I was thinking more of her sense of self-importance and her determination to do things her way, regardless of whether or not her way was a good or smart way. And his mother's influence is just as relevant as the influence of his father and paternal grandmother.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:26 PM
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Those were not the characteristics that I had in mind. I was thinking more of her sense of self-importance and her determination to do things her way, regardless of whether or not her way was a good or smart way. And his mother's influence is just as relevant as the influence of his father and paternal grandmother.
From watching William's life closely since I joined TRF, one thing I'd never describe William as is having is a sense of self importance. I would say that, from what I've seen, he strives to be just another guy in the crowd and doesn't put emphasis on his stature in life in social situations. He has his likes and dislikes and, at times, can be quite stubborn about something once his mind is made up but to me, that's an asset and leans more towards a leadership role than being unsure of himself.

We all learn from those closest to us and the characteristics we inherit can be used both in positive and negative ways and that is by experience and growth.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:32 PM
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Both of William and Harry's parents had somewhat damaged childhoods. And then history repeated itself, and William and Harry had damaged childhoods.

A man who will someday have to be in a position to ignore, neglect, or disappoint his own children- in favor of royal duty- should certainly be allowed to establish his family as securely as he can before his position prevents it.

His father and his grandparents are doing the right thing by allowing and encouraging William to have some "real" life.

Who is this hurting?
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:43 PM
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From watching William's life closely since I joined TRF, one thing I'd never describe William as is having is a sense of self importance. I would say that, from what I've seen, he strives to be just another guy in the crowd and doesn't put emphasis on his stature in life in social situations. He has his likes and dislikes and, at times, can be quite stubborn about something once his mind is made up but to me, that's an asset and leans more towards a leadership role than being unsure of himself.

We all learn from those closest to us and the characteristics we inherit can be used both in positive and negative ways and that is by experience and growth.
Based on my observations of William, I have formed a different opinion, but it is not my wish to launch into a totally off-topic debate about his personal qualities. I raised Diana because I wanted to point out that it is not just his father and paternal grandmother who have influenced him. The woman who thought the "Panorama" interview was a good idea at the time also had a huge influence on him for the first 15 years of his life. He has learned from and been influenced by both parents and their families, and I don't think it is safe to make any assumptions about the extent of his sense of duty and how he intends to approach his Royal duties.
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:48 PM
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Based on my observations of William, I have formed a different opinion, but it is not my wish to launch into a totally off-topic debate about his personal qualities. I raised Diana because I wanted to point out that it is not just his father and paternal grandmother who have influenced him. The woman who thought the "Panorama" interview was a good idea at the time also had a huge influence on him for the first 15 years of his life. He has learned from and been influenced by both parents and their families, and I don't think it is safe to make any assumptions about the extent of his sense of duty and how he intends to approach his Royal duties.
Oh I definitely agree with you on the point that Diana had just as much influence as anyone else William grew up with. If I had to think of a characteristic that would fit Diana, it would be impetuous. I think Harry's got that.

We don't know William personally or interact with him so its not surprising that different people see different things in him. All we can do is sit back, drink a cup of tea and watch what happens next.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:18 PM
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Oh I definitely agree with you on the point that Diana had just as much influence as anyone else William grew up with. If I had to think of a characteristic that would fit Diana, it would be impetuous. I think Harry's got that.

We don't know William personally or interact with him so its not surprising that different people see different things in him. All we can do is sit back, drink a cup of tea and watch what happens next.
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Those were not the characteristics that I had in mind. I was thinking more of her sense of self-importance and her determination to do things her way, regardless of whether or not her way was a good or smart way. And his mother's influence is just as relevant as the influence of his father and paternal grandmother.
OK, I can see what you're saying. I don't happen to agree, but I'm glad that you clarified what you had in mind. Now, I will say that so far, William hasn't repeated his mother's mistakes. He's very careful when he's talking to the press, and I doubt he'd go and air his dirty laundry without any regard for his immediate and extended family. Being stubborn is not always a bad thing. William knows what he wants, and doesn't want to settle for anything less. And why should he? I think anyone in his position would not want to be restricted while having an opportunity to just live, and have a career of choice. I bet that many people on this forum if put in his position would probably do the same thing.

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From watching William's life closely since I joined TRF, one thing I'd never describe William as is having is a sense of self importance. I would say that, from what I've seen, he strives to be just another guy in the crowd and doesn't put emphasis on his stature in life in social situations. He has his likes and dislikes and, at times, can be quite stubborn about something once his mind is made up but to me, that's an asset and leans more towards a leadership role than being unsure of himself.

We all learn from those closest to us and the characteristics we inherit can be used both in positive and negative ways and that is by experience and growth.
You're absolutely correct. I don't see William as someone who thinks he's better than others. He certainly realizes how lucky he is, but he doesn't use that knowledge to make others feel inferior. He tries to get on equal footing when interacting with those that he meets. The best example is the fact that he doesn't encourage people to use his title. He wants to be known as 'William'. More than likely, it would mean more to him if people recognized what he does, rather than what he is due to his birth. Also, this is a man who is very self-aware, and that shows in how he carries himself. I know that some will interpret that as being 'pompous', but like you, I see that as being a good leader. He needs good leadership skills for his future role, and I think he's definitely gaining those. He carried out a few investitures. There's no mistaking that he's a king-in-training. He looks like he's been doing that all his life.

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Oh I definitely agree with you on the point that Diana had just as much influence as anyone else William grew up with. If I had to think of a characteristic that would fit Diana, it would be impetuous. I think Harry's got that.

We don't know William personally or interact with him so its not surprising that different people see different things in him. All we can do is sit back, drink a cup of tea and watch what happens next.
This is very true as well. All we can do is make inferences based on what we see and read. I will also agree on the fact that William is anything but impetuous or impulsive. In fact, he strikes me as someone who is overly cautious, and wants to make sure that he's making the right choice before taking any action. I'm sure he learned that from watching his mother act on instinct or emotion.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:26 PM
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Yes, exactly. I've been singing this song on here for months now.

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A man who will someday have to be in a position to ignore, neglect, or disappoint his own children- in favor of royal duty- should certainly be allowed to establish his family as securely as he can before his position prevents it.

His father and his grandparents are doing the right thing by allowing and encouraging William to have some "real" life.
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Yes, exactly. I've been singing this song on here for months now.

I have a feeling that some will choose to ignore whatever doesn't coincide with what they think the agenda for this man should be.


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