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Old 08-07-2014, 03:00 PM
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I think that what he really wanted to do was charity work in Africa but that is definitely too dangerous. So they had to do a re-think.
H could have gone to Canada and work with innuits, or to Australia and work with natives and so on...

There is nothing wrong with being a pilot but he is just another one in a number of people that can do this job well. Furthermome, he is the only one who is supposed to be king (even if it is in a distant future). Why, oh why can't he focus on that?
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:05 PM
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^^^ Really? I don't see many trained rescue helicopter pilots queuing down at the local job centre.
If he was taking a job at Tesco I'd agree but William's skills are pretty specialised.
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:06 PM
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I find this decision quite disappointing. If William doesnt want/should do full royal duties yet, he could have done something more useful towards his future role. He will be King, it was great that he was in the military, doing search & rescue. Then he took a 'year of orientation'. And now he's back to flying a helicopter for Air Ambulance? There is no debate that this is a honorable cause, but it doesnt make sense at all for William's CV. It's actually a step back towards the King role. He could have done so much now, like engage in a role involving the Commonwealth, do interships at important functions etc etc. This whole thing is a big PR blunder, again, people will not understand, there is no central theme in what he does (military, gap year, agricultural course, now back to flying).
Of course he will be critized for his decision, and IMO rightly so. If there is no role for him yet as full time royal because he doesnt want to/shouldnt step up yet, he should continue to improve/prepare himself, step up on his fields of interests/charities and not fly a helicopter like people who do this for a living.

Kate will be criticized too, she only works very little and will even work less. IMO she will be pregnant before the year is over and we all know what that means.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-rest-us.html

There is no "King school," and he's honestly probably learned a lot from his father in the most practical terms. Let's not pretend that he exists in a vacuum, not learning anything.
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:06 PM
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How does one focus on being king when they're only second in line to the throne??
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:06 PM
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William is a senior royal in the respect he is 2nd in line to the throne. From the Firm's perspective, he is a minor part time working royal, who along with Kate and Harry, are still wet behind the ears interns who are gradually learning the ropes at a slow and steady pace. The main senior royals of the Firm seem to have everything covered nicely. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I think William & Catherine do a very good job when their performing royal duties and bring a fresh felling to their roles. They have a more hands on approach, IMO. Harry is just a pro at the whole thing.

I just think the backing should be behind the younger and most senior royals and not so much on the minor royals.
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:12 PM
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I think William & Catherine do a very good job when their performing royal duties and bring a fresh felling to their roles. They have a more hands on approach, IMO. Harry is just a pro at the whole thing.

I agree completely!

I just think the backing should be behind the younger and most senior royals and not so much on the minor royals.
What is "The Firm" to do?
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:17 PM
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:44 PM
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It would be smart to put the main senior royals to work and financially back them and not so much the minor royals.
The Gloucesters, The Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra will be working with their patronages so long as they want to do it, as well as undertake duties on behalf of The Queen.
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:49 PM
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1) Using his ability as a pilot and devolping diplomacy skills - Go serve one year in Canada, Australia or any other country within Comonwealth.
2) Learn another language and develop diplomacy skills - Go work one year at Nato, UN, so on.
3) Go work on military intelligence
4) Develop a business like his father did, employ youngsters from his many charities and give the profits to charity
5) Open a school for civil rescue pilots for needing youngsters
Whatever... there are millions of options for wealthy healthy adults to change the life of many in need and beeing passionate about it as well.
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Old 08-07-2014, 03:59 PM
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This is an interesting discussion. I disagree with posters who believe that Prince William as second in line to the throne, is a "minor royal." Everyone knows that William, more than anyone other than Prince Charles, will have the most impact on the future of the monarchy.

At the same time, there are posters who see a vast palace conspiracy to push William and Catherine to the sidelines in order to promote Charles and Camilla. Pretty much everyone agrees that William and Catherine are very private; at least I have seen no objective evidence that they want to do more public appearances.

I see William's decisions as signaling that he is going to be doing things differently. We can speculate but none of us really knows how the Queen actually feels about William's choices. I find it hard to believe that she has been overjoyed every time Charles has waded into a controversy, but there is no indication that she has ever tried to stop or interfere with his choices in the role of Prince of Wales (well, maybe the breakup of his first marriage, but that was a special case and I think she learned from her mistakes).

Many people have concluded that the Queen believes that she was chosen by God to be Queen. If she believes that, it follows that she believes that Charles and William are meant to be King.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:07 PM
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It would be smart to put the main senior royals to work and financially back them and not so much the minor royals.
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How does one focus on being king when they're only second in line to the throne??
You've presented a good question here Rudolph. First lets examine what a King does. The King is the apolitical head of state for the UK and the Commonwealth nations and represents and serves the people.

A future King that works among the people in a position to serve, protect and, in some cases, even save lives will endear him more in his role as King. Add this to keeping active in the causes he is passionate about such as conservation mixed in with being part and parcel of the traditional pomp and pageantry of the British Monarchy and I think you find a good recipe for a King of the people.

When I think about it, putting William in a one sided full time doing royal duties work mode would make him seem more like a puppet than forging his own way as his father did. As a king, he will be judged on how he can relate to his people and understand them. When you look at the three fold ways he will be doing this for the next two years at least, I would think its a pretty good recipe for a King-in-the-making.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:25 PM
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1) Using his ability as a pilot and devolping diplomacy skills - Go serve one year in Canada, Australia or any other country within Comonwealth.
2) Learn another language and develop diplomacy skills - Go work one year at Nato, UN, so on.
3) Go work on military intelligence
4) Develop a business like his father did, employ youngsters from his many charities and give the profits to charity
5) Open a school for civil rescue pilots for needing youngsters
Whatever... there are millions of options for wealthy healthy adults to change the life of many in need and beeing passionate about it as well.
Those are all interesting options, but I'm not sure how they are any better suited than what William chose. His job at Air Ambulance also helps people/changes lives. Not to mention this charity will be getting tons of publicity, which will no doubt mean more money for them.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:31 PM
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I agree that William and Catherine doing an additional 600 appearances does not lessen the burden of the Queen, but in fact increase the cost of the monarchy.
Maybe William having an actual job is a message to other young royals to all get a job. It would be hard for Andrew to demand increased royal roles for his daughters in the face of William limiting his role.
also, maybe William realized during his agricultural course that he did not like it.
There is a lot we don't know and some we will never know.
But the powers that be have agreed with William's return to flying. So all the complaints and criticisms will have no impact.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:09 PM
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It would be smart to put the main senior royals to work and financially back them and not so much the minor royals.
Who defines who a "main senior royal" is? If the Queen makes that decision, I think we all know that she does not see W&K as senior royals.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:13 PM
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Those are all interesting options, but I'm not sure how they are any better suited than what William chose. His job at Air Ambulance also helps people/changes lives. Not to mention this charity will be getting tons of publicity, which will no doubt mean more money for them.
I think the OP's argument that William should have further international experience is valid though.

King Felipe VI of Spain, for example, while he was still Prince of Asturias, went to High School in Canada and, after getting a bachelor's degree in law from the Autonomous University of Madrid, actually moved on to get a master's degree in Foreign Service from Georgetown University in the US. William, presumably, is not exactly an "intellectual" such as Felipe, but I like the suggestion of posting him overseas, just like CP Victoria of Sweden for example was once an intern at the Swedish embassy in Washington. Why not a job at NATO or the Foreign and Commonwealth Office ?
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:18 PM
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I have a motto, anything continental royals do the British should do the opposite.

How exactly does working with NATO or in an embassy help a future British king?
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:23 PM
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Who defines who a "main senior royal" is? If the Queen makes that decision, I think we all know that she does not see W&K as senior royals.
The Queen do recognize William & Catherine as senior royals. They're just not full-time senior royals but make no mistake about their seniority within the Monarchy.
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:24 PM
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Is the Queen really playing a role in the international relations of the UK, Canada, Australia, NZ or any other realm? Look at the trouble Charles got in over the remark about Putin.

The Head of Commonwealth role is a lot of having personal relationships with the member countries and their leaders. That something William is gaining as visits the commonwealth countries.


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Old 08-07-2014, 05:28 PM
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Who defines who a "main senior royal" is? If the Queen makes that decision, I think we all know that she does not see W&K as senior royals.
I think there's a difference between being a senior member of the British Royal Family and a senior working member of the "Firm". Its kind of like Sam Branson is a heir to Richard Branson's Virgin fortune but he's no where being a senior executive at Virgin to my knowledge and I very definitely would never imagine Richard Branson to clear out his right hand man's office in order to put his son in a top dog's job just because he's the heir. He'd probably start Sam out at the very bottom and let him work his way up and get to know the business that he's in.

(This is all hypothetical as I really have no clue what Sam Branson does for a living)
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Old 08-07-2014, 05:34 PM
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The Queen has been a full-time, no question, Royal for over sixty years now. How she must wish that she could have had time to live a normal family life when she was William's age. Once W&C get on the full-time merry-go-round, they'll be on it for sixty years or more, also. What possible difference can it make now?

Count me as one who thinks there is a certain amount of consideration being given to the fact that C&C are invisible on the days when W&C are doing public duties. It benefits no one-except the DM and TRF!-for them to go full time right away. Not their young-and eventually growing-family, not their marriage, not C&C. Of course we all want to see them out and about, but if it doesn't suit HM, the DOE, and the POW and his wife, then it won't happen.
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