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Old 07-19-2014, 12:32 PM
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The lengthy digression concerning the square footage allocated to William at KP and associated posts unrelated to the topic of "What Now for William?" have been moved over to the Cambridge Residences thread in the British Royal Residences subforum.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:04 PM
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I think if William and Kate had moved straight to Norfolk from Wales and he had simply switched flying roles, there would have been little room for any criticism towards them as long as they had kept up some royal duties alongside this too. I certainly would have never accused him of being workshy while he was in Wales, but the last year has been one of conflicting messages about the future royal role of the couple. The number of their engagements is embarrassingly low, a few people on this thread have said this ok as he is only second in line, but Princess Anne is 11th in line and twice the age of the Cambridges, yet carried out around 600 engagements in 2012.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:08 PM
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I think if William and Kate had moved straight to Norfolk from Wales and he had simply switched flying roles, there would have been little room for any criticism towards them as long as they had kept up some royal duties alongside this too. I certainly would have never accused him of being workshy while he was in Wales, but the last year has been one of conflicting messages about the future royal role of the couple. The number of their engagements is embarrassingly low, a few people on this thread have said this ok as he is only second in line, but Princess Anne is 11th in line and twice the age of the Cambridges, yet carried out around 600 engagements last year.

But she is a child of the monarch, and has been a full time working royal for her entire adult life.




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And it's still her mother's reign. If her mother wants her children and cousin's on the forefront and her grandchildren behind them, it's her call.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:15 PM
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I think if William and Kate had moved straight to Norfolk from Wales and he had simply switched flying roles, there would have been little room for any criticism towards them as long as they had kept up some royal duties alongside this too.
I've thought this too. They may have known of an impending retirement or additional need for a pilot? Also, I think there is a leaker inside the Cambridge air rescue service that's mucking all this up. Pure speculation on my part, I freely admit.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:20 PM
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I've thought this too. They may have known of an impending retirement or additional need for a pilot? Also, I think there is a leaker inside the Cambridge air rescue service that's mucking all this up. Pure speculation on my part, I freely admit.
In order to do this new job he needs a commercial licence so he couldn't have gone automatically from one job to another. He also would need to gain proficiency in a different helicopter.

But I agree that this year has caused problems.
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:34 PM
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The criticisms come from "royal reporters" desperate to have the Cambridges front and centre selling papers and garnering clicks online

If the heir to the throne and his wife were as popular as they should be none of this would even be an issue.

The Telegraph newspaper has strong support for the BRF and the monarchy. In their royal section all senior royals have a dedicated section except Camilla.

The Queen
The Duke of Edinburgh
The Prince of Wales
Prince William
The Duchess of Cambridge
Prince George
Prince Harry

No Duchess of Cornwall

The British tabloids are starting to cover the continental royals now as the younger generations take their respective thrones.

For the British papers, they want the Cambridges to be the standard bearers for the BRF whether William is heir or not because having an OAP and his wife as heir isn't exactly glamorous so the onus falls on William and Catherine.
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[QUOTE=Rudolph;1687838 .... because having an OAP and his wife as heir isn't exactly glamorous so the onus falls on William and Catherine.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the chuckle - I had to look up OAP! Isn't it odd that having an older monarch is stabilizing but having an OAP heir is dull? But it's true. And I never noticed the Camilla/Telegraph thing. Time to move on. Sorry - off topic.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:38 PM
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I heard Will has plans on openin' up a pub called Duke of Earl in Norfolk when he and the wife and son settle on in. With all those new cookin' skills Kate will whip up fish and chips and bangers and mash for the patrons.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:56 PM
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I think some people are questioning why two 32 year olds are not/rarely working.

George will be a year old later this week. They have the full time nanny, a cook and a housekeeper and the London townhome has been remodeled.

Why are they not working?

The image that is coming across is an entitled, lazy man

William and Harry play a sport each week. One week, it is football, another week it is polo, another week rugby and still another week it is cricket. It might be for charity but would William still support these charities if he permanently injured himself that he could never play again?
Or would he dump his charities like his mother?

The weekly sport related matched against Harry come across as two spoiled children competing against each other. It looks like he and his brother want to be the center of attention and the charity is just the excuse for playing while getting credit for 'working'.

Unfortunately for William, Harry comes across as actually caring about his charities. William comes across as just a competitive person wanting the attention.

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If the media wanted pictures of William & Harry all they have to do is go to one of these weekly games. There is no need for William to be POW.

The tabloids that want the popular want Kate and George and wouldn't care less about William as a separate entity.

On a website listing the most popular based on internet searches, Kate is 7th and William ranks 1821st.

The reason for the complaints by the sites you listed is because unless William is higher profile then the prize (Kate & George) will remain in the background. Nothing to do with Charles and Camilla.
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Old 07-20-2014, 09:18 PM
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William has worked, if he could I'm sure he'd still be working. Why is it so difficult for people to grasp that William is not lazy just because he put more emphasis on the RAF than his royal work; IMO his piloting career is more important. I don't know how long he hasn't been doing that job but it hasn't been long enough to start criticizing him for not being a hard worker.
William could do more, Kate definitely could do more but their age comes second to precedence. They are not the CPs!!!! They are not Charles, Frederik and Mary, Letizia and Felipe! He is the heirs heir and is probably taking into consideration that his father has been sitting around waiting to be King for decade after decade. There is no desperate need to push him into the full time job when he could have decades of waiting just like his dad. Let him be a productive member of society and save some lives.

Yes! I am happy that he works at all. I think it is great that he works as a pilot, keep it up! I don't begrudge the man working a 'normal' job, just as long as he does something. If he feels like he is not needed yet by the Firm then go get another job. This shows everyone that although he is not needed as a full time royal, he can still be a productive member of society.
At least he isn't afraid of real work.....
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I'm sorry to say that I do consider his piloting job as the real work at least when it comes to William and Harry. I don't believe Charles had a job other than POW and for him all the good he does is an admirable career path. But for his sons I think their military careers are a sign that they are dedicated individuals who work hard. I wish the palace would possibly make a statement that W H n K are not yet needed for full time duty and as a result will remain part time. Perhaps that will shut some people up about their royal careers.
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Old 07-20-2014, 10:29 PM
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Charles spent about 7 years in the military and had he had his way would have spent longer so he did have a 'real job'.
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I suspect this helicopter job will be until the current reign ends. Then the helicopter job will have to end when his father reign begins. I suppose its better than differing.
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I think if William and Kate had moved straight to Norfolk from Wales and he had simply switched flying roles, there would have been little room for any criticism towards them as long as they had kept up some royal duties alongside this too. I certainly would have never accused him of being workshy while he was in Wales, but the last year has been one of conflicting messages about the future royal role of the couple. The number of their engagements is embarrassingly low, a few people on this thread have said this ok as he is only second in line, but Princess Anne is 11th in line and twice the age of the Cambridges, yet carried out around 600 engagements in 2012.
Yes, Anne does a lot of engagements (she did 560 in 2012 and 454 in 2013) , but I'm pretty sure she didn't start out doing that many. I imagine it was a gradual thing.

It's strange that William is called lazy and workshy. It's like people forget that he had a full-time job for years. I just don't see how one year invalidates his many years of service.

So far this year, he's done 91 engagements (Kate 66 and Harry 55). People may think he's not doing enough, but right now his numbers are not that far off from Camilla's (who's done 141).

I'm curious to know what type of numbers people think the Cambridge's should do. Should they replicate the numbers Charles put up? Do 300 or so like Andrew and Edward, or are the 200's that Camilla and Sophie do okay?
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:56 AM
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William has been allowed to do more official engagements since leaving the SAR job. He wasn't really able to pay more attention to his charities and royal commitments while working his full-time job.

Why go back to working a full-time job that will cause you to decrease those royal and charitable commitments again? Why not work a side job part-time and continue focusing on the royal duties.

It's not just about wanting the Cambridge's on the front cover of the newspapers and magazine, it's about two people who need to be seen doing their part within the "Firm." They have everything setup for them to do their thing, now it's about doing it.
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I'm sorry to say that I do consider his piloting job as the real work at least when it comes to William and Harry. I don't believe Charles had a job other than POW and for him all the good he does is an admirable career path. But for his sons I think their military careers are a sign that they are dedicated individuals who work hard. I wish the palace would possibly make a statement that W H n K are not yet needed for full time duty and as a result will remain part time. Perhaps that will shut some people up about their royal careers.
The Prince of Wales had an impressive and much more varied military career than both his sons. He obtained a pilot license and RAF-wings in the Air Force. The Prince joined the Naval College in a graduate scheme. The Prince also obtained a helicopter pilot license. Tho complete it all the Prince obtained a parachute license as well. The active military service went from March 1971 until December 1976 and covered all three armed forces. The Prince was then added into the Reserve and became a "full time royal".
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It's not just about wanting the Cambridge's on the front cover of the newspapers and magazine, it's about two people who need to be seen doing their part within the "Firm." They have everything setup for them to do their thing, now it's about doing it.
This will happen if and when HM and the "Firm" deem this statement to be true. It really isn't solely up to William to decide. I have yet to see any indication from BP, CH or KP that being a full time working royal is even in the cards at all yet.
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Oh so after a brief pause, he's off back to flying to be a hands on dad. That foreign office work obviously isn't going to happen then. What a PR disaster.
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William has been allowed to do more official engagements since leaving the SAR job. He wasn't really able to pay more attention to his charities and royal commitments while working his full-time job.

Why go back to working a full-time job that will cause you to decrease those royal and charitable commitments again? Why not work a side job part-time and continue focusing on the royal duties.

It's not just about wanting the Cambridge's on the front cover of the newspapers and magazine, it's about two people who need to be seen doing their part within the "Firm." They have everything setup for them to do their thing, now it's about doing it.

While I have been singing the same song all along I think that if he does some work any work, then I can live with that. It still galls me that this is seen as a right of his and his wife to wait. I feel if they really wanted to be more involved in the Firm, they would be. Wills has already proved he has lots of leeway with his grandmother, but it appears W&C want a 'normal' life. Well they are not normal and public opinion is important to the BRF and public opinion is that they should work! Read & talk to people who are not in this forum! Unfortunately out-of-sight-out-of-mind can make people start to question if they are really needed or the new gen should be the end of the BRF altogether.
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