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Old 06-27-2014, 03:58 PM
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The problem that William seems to be having now is finding a full time role for himself, he seems undecided between a flying career and royal duties. This, along with taking a transitional year out, gives his critics reason to see him as workshy. Harry, however, seems to have the perfect balance between military, royal and charitable duties.
Except his love life gets front page coverage and his charity work doesn't...and sadly it will prob always be that way because people want to read more about his antics then his good work.

I dont think William should have to please the public...the only people he should think about pleasing is his family...and in that includes his grandma, the queen....so if she's ok with whatever he chooses why can't the public be...that's right...people just like to complain... even when he does go full time people will complain...its gonna end up being like white noise...I don't think thats ever going to stop.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:29 PM
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I disagree. William does need to please the public and the press enough to build up goodwill which at the moment, he is very slowly loosing. The press has the power to either make or break you. It wasn't that many years ago that Catherine was miss do-nothing waitie Katie. They need to be very careful. Most people who are married with children, also have full-time jobs and maintain a good family life...and they do it without servants and nannies.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:34 PM
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I disagree. William does need to please the public and the press enough to build up goodwill which at the moment, he is very slowly loosing. The press has the power to either make or break you. It wasn't that many years ago that Catherine was miss do-nothing waitie Katie. They need to be very careful. Most people who are married with children, also have full-time jobs and maintain a good family life...and they do it without servants and nannies.
and without the press
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:55 PM
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Perhaps after marriage, a better move would have been to have kept a low profile like they did in Wales but until William becomes Duke of Cornwall/PoW. They could have moved straight from Wales to Norfolk, and lived mainly private lives like they did previously.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:01 PM
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Here is what I think. Royalty serves the people. I am sure BP has ways of verifying what British people expect. Apparently the people want William and Kate to work more on behalf of the Crown. So they should work more. Maybe it is only the press who want them to work more. If that is the case, the Cambridges may keep calm and carry on pursuing whatever activities they fancy.
On the other hand, my personal opinion is that the Cambridges are acting as if they were either clueless or they want to do what they want to do. They should hire a more competent PR to try to enhance the public opinion on them to prove this is not the case and stop sending contradictory messages or maybe give up being in the line of the throne and try to figure out what is their true calling in life.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:22 PM
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The problem that William seems to be having now is finding a full time role for himself, he seems undecided between a flying career and royal duties. This, along with taking a transitional year out, gives his critics reason to see him as workshy. Harry, however, seems to have the perfect balance between military, royal and charitable duties.
The public expects different things from Harry, so it's easier for him to find that perfect balance. I hear very few people demanding that he go full-time, while it's something that is thrown at William quite often.

It wasn't too long ago that William was doing the same thing as Harry - balancing military work and royal duties. Yet, people complained that he wasn't doing enough. Harry can do less than 100 engagements a year and it's considered fine, but that doesn't fly for William.
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Good point soapstar. Also it appears too often it is forgotten that HM and the DoE have four children and three in-laws who are also working as full time royals on their behalf. As far as I can tell, they seem satisfied with having their own children/in-laws representing them.
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Old 06-28-2014, 02:14 PM
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I agree with much of cmbruno's point. Today the Queen and Duke are on yet another royal engagements after several very busy weeks and we have barely seen William & Kate in the past two. At the same time, the news is reporting major spends on Kensington Palace /helicopter for the Cambridges so it is understandable the public "want value for their money" and put simply this means seeing William & Kate out and about. Resentment will continue to build unless they are seen to be pulling their weight. It may be the case they are doing private visits but then their PR is letting them down. The mixed messages about William pondering over his future, whether or not all the stories are true, is also unhelpful.
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^^^My understanding is that the helicopter lease is for the use of the BRF not just the Cambridges. The newspaper headlines gave a false impression as one of the first royals to use it was Princess Beatrice.
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Old 06-28-2014, 04:23 PM
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With Harry on tour this week in South America, the Cambridges were always going to keep a low profile. Harry did the same with the Cambridges in Australia and NZ.

Kate is back on 1st, William the 3rd and all 3 together on the 5th for the Tour de France kickoff in Yorkshire.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:24 PM
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Right. Plus the Kent and Gloucestershire cousins.

Prince Philip had to give up his naval career permanently when Princess Elizabeth became Queen Elizabeth II. Also, she had the burdens of state in addition to doing normal royal duties. When the Prince Charles was three years old and his little sister was even younger, their parents immediately started going on long tours abroad. Then in the next generation, Charles and Diana had a high public profile almost as soon as they were married and the cameras were invited into their home for interviews as well as camera calls. This created an insatiable demand for photos and information about the family. It's my feeling that all this contributed to the failure of the Wales marriage in addition to whatever personal problems the couple had. William and Catherine seem to be attempting to reverse this trend, with the apparent blessing of William's father and grand-parents. William seems to love his work as a helicopter pilot, and Catherine likes privacy when they're not on public duty. When they are doing Royal duties, they seem to give 100% while they're there. Therefore, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing them less often than we saw the last Royal generation, because it probably means they'll be a happier and more stable couple down the road than William's parents were. I think that they're likely doing what's best for the long-term, even though we'd like to see more of them now.

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Good point soapstar. Also it appears too often it is forgotten that HM and the DoE have four ,eand three in-laws who are also working as full time royals on their behalf. As far as I can tell, they seem satisfied with having their own children/in-laws representing them.
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^^^Excellent points!
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Then in the next generation, Charles and Diana had a high public profile almost as soon as they were married and the cameras were invited into their home for interviews as well as camera calls. This created an insatiable demand for photos and information about the family. It's my feeling that all this contributed to the failure of the Wales marriage in addition to whatever personal problems the couple had. William and Catherine seem to be attempting to reverse this trend, with the apparent blessing of William's father and grand-parents. William seems to love his work as a helicopter pilot, and Catherine likes privacy when they're not on public duty. When they are doing Royal duties, they seem to give 100% while they're there. Therefore, I have no problem whatsoever with seeing them less often than we saw the last Royal generation, because it probably means they'll be a happier and more stable couple down the road than William's parents were. I think that they're likely doing what's best for the long-term, even though we'd like to see more of them now.
I agree with this. My understanding is that the beginning of the 'celebrity' around the BRF - outside of Princess Margaret - began with a documentary the Queen allowed in the late 60's. Rather than being a quaint insight and homey sharing that was accepted politely by the public, it opened up a keen appetite for more such intimate revelations. Charles, when he married, unwittingly wetted that appetite with additional documentaries. They had created a monster - that along with the rise of tabloid journalism a la Rupert Murdock - created a perfect 'monster media' storm. It's possible that the public has now an expectation that such access is a 'right'.

I do have older friends I discuss royalty with and it is their opinion that the Queen, Charles and William (in particular - who lived through that kind of relentless exposure) are attempting to roll back the access that was present in the 80's and 90's.

As one friend has pointed out - and as I have observed - it does not appear possible for Kate (for example) to have a 'normal' public outing, akin to what Sophie of Wessex is able to do. Why that is might be an interesting discussion but it is clear that a line has been drawn and no matter the hectoring of the tabloids trying to smoke them out, the BRF has returned to a more private way of living their lives. I think the spin that the public is 'entitled' to 'value for their money' - meaning in-person displays attended by a phalanx of media - is an idea planted by the tabloids.

The royalty of other countries are far more discreet in their private lives. I think the BRF is trying to get back to a time when that was the case for them, too.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:14 PM
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On the other hand, my personal opinion is that the Cambridges are acting as if they were either clueless or they want to do what they want to do. They should hire a more competent PR to try to enhance the public opinion on them to prove this is not the case and stop sending contradictory messages or maybe give up being in the line of the throne and try to figure out what is their true calling in life.
Let's put things into perspective here. William is the most popular royal in the UK. Hard as it seems to believe, very recent polling shows that he is even more popular than the Queen who herself enjoys a job approval rating of 90%+.

William and Kate have to get this right and should always be sensitive to public opinion, but the public have great affection for and confidence in Prince William especially. There is no crisis here.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:15 PM
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The problem is that you can't go back. The BRF opened the can but they can't just close it. The best way to deal with it would be for William and Kate to actually do more official engagements as the alternative will be more and more demands for them to appear and increasingly dissatisfied public and the press writing negative stories as they don't have positive ones to write.

If the public turns on them they will be finished.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:18 PM
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Polls can change very quickly though - note that the YouGov poll shows an almost 40% increase in support for Camilla being called Queen Consort when Charles ascends the throne inside 6 months after virtually no movement for 9 years.

Polls sample a very small percentage of the population and as reliable as a person believes them to be they have also been known to be wrong - particularly when it is possible to have two polls on the same thing coming up with different results on the same day.
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Old 06-28-2014, 09:44 PM
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Modern polling is incredibly accurate nowadays. Even with the small sample the margin of error is only +/- 3%.

There can be occasional outliers with polling, but this is not the first poll to show William as the most popular RF member. This has been the case over several years. The fact that William remains more popular than the Queen despite her Jubilee, jumping out of the helicopter at the Olympics, triumphant state visit to Ireland, being voted the greatest living Briton etc. etc., shows that his popularity is remarkably solid.
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Most polls from 2002 until Williams engagement in 2010 showed that The Queen despite her age was the most popular member of the royal family. Most of these polls were performed during the golden jubilee and 80th birthday celebrations. In recent years, polls have shown that The Queen and William are the most popular members of the royal family, but the important thing is that HM, Charles and William have approval ratings that politicians can only dream of.

I apologize for the mistakes here, but I'm dyslexic, I write even worse in Norwegian.

The Queen is most admired person in Britain says poll | Royal Central

Another poll 27 july 2013 / ComRes survey for the Sunday Telegraph found. 26 percent said the Queen was the member of the Royal family the most admired, making her the most popular royal, 19 per cent said the Duke of Cambridge, 17 per cent said Prince Harry and 12 per cent the Duchess of Cambridge.
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The masses are too hard to please and maintain their satisfaction, especially when all the media cares about is clothes romance and looking pretty. I have a few documentaries on my ipod to pass the drudgery at work and I was surprised by how shallow they are. William and Kate in Canada and South Asia focused mostly on her clothes then her clothes a little bit of hair and then some more on her clothes. It's quite sad really. I think William wants a life of more substance and for him that is flying. If there were ever two royals who were never going to have a warm relationship with the media and pander to them it was going to be William and Harry. Not only with what happened to their mom but what happened to Kate in France.
I don't know how i really feel about William continuing to fly. I keep finding myself feeling sorry for him and his father that they are both now stuck in this waiting game and having to find some kind of role that they can do. There are certain people who feel if William isn't a full time royal he is lazy despite the fact that he is doing an actual job.
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Old 06-30-2014, 08:34 PM
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I think all the complaining is being fueled by the media who need the Cambridges to sell papers. We saw all the media stories when Harry dated Cressie about her being from nobility and implying conflicts between her and the duchess.
It was my impression. That POW is the one limiting the Cambridges public appearances because the media was so focused on the glamour and not their actions
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