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All I ask of people who choose to do it is that the shooter be experienced and skilled and seek to kill the animal as quickly as possible, for it is not the animal's fault it is a pest and it deserves to be treated humanely and not left, fatally wounded, to wander around in agony for days before dying. A clean kill is actually all I ask of people who participate in any form of legal hunting.

Well put.

I don't think any legal hunter can guarantee a clean kill, but that is always the goal. This is a big part of the reason why some weapons are allowable while others aren't - a trained marksmen with a gun is likely to get a clean kill, while a trap isn't. The person who uses the trap instead is considered a poacher because they're causing undue harm to the animal and using inhumane methods.
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The story is the Mail which has the Duke of Cambridge calling for all of the ivory in BP to be destroyed has me confused.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-poachers.html

The article states the William has hidden all the ivory at Clarence House where he lives. This alone makes me question the accuracy of the article.

The items in the royal palaces are part of the royal collection which are owned by the state not the monarch. The ivory items are not new and have already been made. For example, there is a carved ivory cup and lid with animals and the goddess Diana on it that Fiona Bruce featured in the Windsor Castle episode of the Queen's Palaces. It has the nickname of the brain. It was made in the 1700s. What is the benefit of destroying this 300 yr old item?
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:52 AM
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I would think Granny would have something to say about that, let alone the Royal Collection.
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:13 PM
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Prince William is attending the #BAFTA tonight & presenting Helen Mirren with the Fellowship Award. Kate is staying home with George

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Old 02-16-2014, 12:20 PM
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The story is the Mail which has the Duke of Cambridge calling for all of the ivory in BP to be destroyed has me confused.

Prince William 'wants to strip out ALL of Buckingham Palace's ivory... and destroy the lot to set an example for other world leaders' | Mail Online

The article states the William has hidden all the ivory at Clarence House where he lives. This alone makes me question the accuracy of the article.

The items in the royal palaces are part of the royal collection which are owned by the state not the monarch. The ivory items are not new and have already been made. For example, there is a carved ivory cup and lid with animals and the goddess Diana on it that Fiona Bruce featured in the Windsor Castle episode of the Queen's Palaces. It has the nickname of the brain. It was made in the 1700s. What is the benefit of destroying this 300 yr old item?
There was an article in the Telegraph 2 days ago, stating that Prince Charles had removed ivory from display at Clarence House. I think that could be accurate.

PRince Charles had been called on, by "extreme" conservationists to destroy all of the ivory in the royal collection. As you point out, it's not owned by the BRF, but the state.

I've not read the Mail article but it sounds like they have lifted the story and changed the names to make it more Mail reader friendly.

The Telegraph reader comments were firmly against destroying centuries old workmanship.
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Old 02-16-2014, 12:39 PM
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The story is the Mail which has the Duke of Cambridge calling for all of the ivory in BP to be destroyed has me confused.

Prince William 'wants to strip out ALL of Buckingham Palace's ivory... and destroy the lot to set an example for other world leaders' | Mail Online

The article states the William has hidden all the ivory at Clarence House where he lives. This alone makes me question the accuracy of the article.

The items in the royal palaces are part of the royal collection which are owned by the state not the monarch. The ivory items are not new and have already been made. For example, there is a carved ivory cup and lid with animals and the goddess Diana on it that Fiona Bruce featured in the Windsor Castle episode of the Queen's Palaces. It has the nickname of the brain. It was made in the 1700s. What is the benefit of destroying this 300 yr old item?
Perhaps a solution would be to donate the historic pieces to a museum, but recent acquisitions could be warehoused.
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Perhaps a solution would be to donate the historic pieces to a museum, but recent acquisitions could be warehoused.
I would think that anything belonging to the Royal Collection would have its own storage and vaults and warehouses and should a piece be perhaps the private property of Charles or HM that they have had handed down to them, how hard would it be to stash them away there? As passionate as Charles gets about the issues he stands up for, it wouldn't surprise me one bit that he's taken the measures to put away the things made from ivory that are around Clarence House. To not have his guests draw the wrong conclusion and see a paradox is smart. To destroy works of art is stupid.

Its also very possible that when the ivory was attained for the crafting of the pieces that the RF has, the times were quite different and the animals quite a bit more plentiful and not endangered as they are today.
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"@itvnews Prince William arrives at the Bafta awards http://itv.co/1b7ZcSj pic.twitter.com/5cSWxaZ7XH"

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Thank you for the video of William at the BAFTA awards.
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Loved Stephen Fry's joke about Helen Mirren being William's grandmother. I'll bet she didn't think it was real funny!
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Loved Stephen Fry's joke about Helen Mirren being William's grandmother. I'll bet she didn't think it was real funny!

I bet she thought it was - she's played HM twice and won her only Academy Award for her role in The Queen.
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I bet she thought it was - she's played HM twice and won her only Academy Award for her role in The Queen.
Of course. I get the joke and so did she. But no woman her age wants to be called a grandmother to a man William's age!
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I loved the joke - especially when William actually said "or should I say granny" or something like that when presenting the fellowship to Mirren. Definitely one of the highlights of an otherwise rather disappointing BAFTA evening.
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I also loved Stephen Fry's little joke about Helen Mirren bringing her grandson along. It made me laugh out loud. Singer Tinie Tempah also gave William a friendly handshake as he was about to go on stage.

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If Prince William wants to protect wildlife, he'd better put down the gun | Ken Wharfe | Comment is free | theguardian.com
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Do palace courtiers have a good eye for PR? This week Prince William and his brother "bagged" a few sandbags and waded the flooded upper reaches of the Thames. This tour of royal duty presumably produced the desired effect – positive media reporting – no doubt resulting in much merriment among the corridors of the royal household. On a roll, Prince William has called for all ivory artefacts to be removed from the royal palaces and destroyed. Less merriment now. Does his grandmother know about this? Surely such a statement will be anathema to the Duke of Edinburgh who will be muttering in William's direction, and heading to the press office to remind them who's in charge of this "bloody place". This follows the prince's attendance at the World Wildlife symposium in London last week. The hunting and slaughter of elephant and rhinoceros is no longer the sport of kings and the idle rich, with the exception of the Spanish royal family.
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An interesting article by Ken Wharfe. So those pheasant shoots are just setups to cater to the desire of the Royals and their friends to kill things. "Requiring little or no skill, royal pheasant shoots are a pre-planned carnage of wildlife, bred specifically for slaughter." On this issue I have to totally agree with Diana, for I, too, find it repugnant.

And one of the comments brought up that Hen Harrier issue. The Hen Harriers are being driven to extinction in Britain as a direct result of the work of the grouse moor gamekeepers whose priority is the grouse for blood sport and not the preservation of the native species. What do you have to say about that, Harry? If you're really interested in conservation, how about starting at home, working for the conservation of British species instead of heading off overseas to kill things.

Celebrities speaking up for the big, popular, species like elephants is common and requires little effort. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, because a lot of people pay more attention to what celebrities say than what experts say, and some celebrities are dedicated workers for conservation. To William and Harry I say spend a few years consistently working for the conservation of the less "popular" but equally important endangered British species and I'll have far more regard for you.
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An interesting article by Ken Wharfe. So those pheasant shoots are just setups to cater to the desire of the Royals and their friends to kill things. "Requiring little or no skill, royal pheasant shoots are a pre-planned carnage of wildlife, bred specifically for slaughter." On this issue I have to totally agree with Diana, for I, too, find it repugnant.

And one of the comments brought up that Hen Harrier issue. The Hen Harriers are being driven to extinction in Britain as a direct result of the work of the grouse moor gamekeepers whose priority is the grouse for blood sport and not the preservation of the native species. What do you have to say about that, Harry? If you're really interested in conservation, how about starting at home, working for the conservation of British species instead of heading off overseas to kill things.

Celebrities speaking up for the big, popular, species like elephants is common and requires little effort. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it, because a lot of people pay more attention to what celebrities say than what experts say, and some celebrities are dedicated workers for conservation. To William and Harry I say spend a few years consistently working for the conservation of the less "popular" but equally important endangered British species and I'll have far more regard for you.
Yeah, but that's a bit too complicated for me, Roslyn.

And the elephants are so darn cute.
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Duke of Cambridge has written a letter of support to the people of Christchurch/Canterbury NZ, on the 3rd anniversary of the earthquake. Lovely letter, with hints that they will be going there in April

Prince's letter signals return to Canterbury | Stuff.co.nz
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Prince William, The Duke of Cambridge, will be carrying out the investiture today at Buckingham Palace.

It's all gone Pete Tong for Prince William. He's been presenting the superstar dance DJ with an MBE at a Buckingham Palace investiture.
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