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Old 11-21-2014, 03:37 PM
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Well, this is a visit by the future king and queen of the United Kingdom and Commonwealth.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:04 PM
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I've watched the swearing in of an American president, and even the participants, [let alone the journalists covering the event, and spectators] seem congenitally unable to dress formally, even for the most solemn event in their national calendar !
It is no surprise then, that they insist upon their'right' to dress badly, in sportswear...
Which American president was that?
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:08 PM
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This may seem an odd question but I'm going to ask it anyways. Its all over the place here in the States and I was wondering if it was similar in other countries. Do you have signs in establishments that say:

No shoes
No shirt
No service

Just wondering.
No. You have these places in the US?? Really?
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:10 PM
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You bet we do. Got to keep the riff raff out somehow.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:30 PM
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Mr Obama [the first time round].
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:35 PM
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Mr Obama [the first time round].
Hummmm...it happens in the daytime, so no tails or cutaways or morning suit stuff. He simply wore a suit under an overcoat. That's what they all wear. Gone are the top hats of olden times...last president to wear one was Richard Nixon.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:40 PM
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the "outrage" from Americans crying "but our 1st amendment" is legitimately making me shake with anger. As if a journalist would be allowed to show up to work in jeans any other time? But somehow, when the big bad former mummy the Palace tells us we have to look nice, suddenly that's a problem that our 1st amendment protects us from? I've studied poli sci for years and focused on Constitutional Law for a year. The blatant stupidity around the constitution is so insanely frustrating to me.

Of course journalists should be dress professionally when they're on the job! Part of your job is to look nice!

And as far as I can tell, the page on the royal website is a general thing that has been there for a while. It is not directed at Americans for this specific trip (unless it is a new thing added to the website).

The good news is that this seems to be a very small blip on the radar. I haven't seen it on any respectable news site, but then again I haven't been all over. (and goodness knows American media outlets love to pick up and run with a dumb and misconstrued story).
The story has actually been picked up by mainstream news outlets (it was mentioned on NBC Nightly News last night and the Today Show today), but it was addressed in a lighthearted way. They only thing that there was much discussion about is that the dress code applies not just to the journalists (who generally expect to dress appropriately), but to the crew, too. Having been a journalist, a lot of the crew/tech guys I've met seem like they probably don't own a suit. They dress casually because that makes it easier for them to move around and deal with the equipment.

And, in fact, some journalists can show up at their jobs in jeans - it all depends where you work. Not all journalists are on TV. Many radio and print journalists do dress quite casually - though, of course, when you know you're going to have a specific kind of assignment, such as a royal visit, one would certainly expect the reporters to dress appropriately.

I think a lot of journalists are just surprised - or perhaps bemused is a better word - because they aren't used to being issued a dress code (or, if they are, it comes from their office, not from the subjects of the story they're covering). I don't think the requests themselves are that much of an issue.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:40 PM
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This may seem an odd question but I'm going to ask it anyways. Its all over the place here in the States and I was wondering if it was similar in other countries. Do you have signs in establishments that say:

No shoes
No shirt
No service

Just wondering.
Here in the UK, I have seen signs and polite requests for "no trainers" and/or "no jeans" or "smart jeans only". This is usually at posh restaurants and nightclubs, or at least those establishments trying to be posh!
It works both ways though - I went to a New Year's Eve dinner once and a friend of mine decided in his wisdom to wear full dinner jacket and tie - everyone else wore trousers and short and he got some funny looks!

I doubt we will see any gust-of-wind mishaps involving Catherine, but if we do, we will be well prepared and it should go unnoticed.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:51 PM
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You bet we do. Got to keep the riff raff out somehow.
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Here in the UK, I have seen signs and polite requests for "no trainers" and/or "no jeans" or "smart jeans only". This is usually at posh restaurants and nightclubs, or at least those establishments trying to be posh!
It works both ways though - I went to a New Year's Eve dinner once and a friend of mine decided in his wisdom to wear full dinner jacket and tie - everyone else wore trousers and short and he got some funny looks!
I’ve never seen any signs anywhere but maybe I’ve just been to the wrong places. I live in the deep south and in this city (or at least the one I work in) people "dress up” when they head out, even for going to the supermarket. It’s getting less due to people from outside, but you can still see it around.
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Old 11-21-2014, 04:54 PM
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Here in the UK, I have seen signs and polite requests for "no trainers" and/or "no jeans" or "smart jeans only". This is usually at posh restaurants and nightclubs, or at least those establishments trying to be posh!
It works both ways though - I went to a New Year's Eve dinner once and a friend of mine decided in his wisdom to wear full dinner jacket and tie - everyone else wore trousers and short and he got some funny looks!

I doubt we will see any gust-of-wind mishaps involving Catherine, but if we do, we will be well prepared and it should go unnoticed.
I was going to say - it's been my impression in every country I've been to (UK included), there are always people who don't seem to know how to dress appropriately. In posh restaurants, etc., in the US, the dress code usually goes unspoken - I tend to associate the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" signs with with cheaper stores and restaurants (as I think people who think shirts and/or shoes are optional attire aren't likely to wander into higher-end establishments).
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:01 PM
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I don't see you in the Harry thread mentioning his naked Vegas bum. I also don't see you in Philip's thread mentioning his kilt "mishaps". Yet you are on Catherine's thread fixating on her body. You've done this numerous times. Maybe I just don't understand your "humor". I've never liked misogynistic jokes.
I don’t really care how many mishaps Kate (or anyone else has) but the thing with Harry’s butt happened in private and is therefor different than a mishap in public. The private thing should never have gotten out as far as I’m concerned. Or at least it wouldn’t have if people still had the decency to respect other people’s privacy.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:13 PM
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I don't see you in the Harry thread mentioning his naked Vegas bum. I also don't see you in Philip's thread mentioning his kilt "mishaps". Yet you are on Catherine's thread fixating on her body. You've done this numerous times. Maybe I just don't understand your "humor". I've never liked misogynistic jokes.
If you show me a missive from BP instructing the American press on proper attire for being in the same room as Harry or Philip, I'll go post over there too.
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Old 11-21-2014, 05:49 PM
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^^^ But there was no missive. Anyway some info on TRH trip to America.

William and Kate's itinerary shows a full 3 days in the U.S. - UPI.com
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Old 11-21-2014, 08:07 PM
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Time for a little jog in our nog and some good Will to all and maybe a little bit o' Kate too eh?

Looking at the itinerary for the NY-DC trip, I really didn't see much in the way of anything in the way of holiday spirit. Wonder if/where any will be thrown in.

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Old 11-22-2014, 02:02 AM
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Please note that I have deleted a slew of empty and off topic posts.

It goes without saying that cattiness toward your fellow members WILL NOT be tolerated nor the need to discuss Kate's previous clothing mishaps in this thread. They have been discussed in great length in the previous tour trips as well as the fashion threads. So there is no need to reshash them here. If you want to relive the moment, do it some place else.

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Old 11-22-2014, 03:34 PM
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We Americans forget that not everyone does things the same way we do. We like to isolate ourselves and hold ourselves to a different standard than the rest of the world. We'll tell you what to do, but don't tell us what to do.

Don't get me wrong, I love America, I have a problem with some Americans.
so nice to have seen my post deleted, but others not.

again, I agree with you.

The outrage over it is silly, especially since this wasn't something sent out just for the US trip and it specifies FORMAL occasions. Of course you should be dressed appropriately for a formal occasion!

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And, in fact, some journalists can show up at their jobs in jeans - it all depends where you work. Not all journalists are on TV. Many radio and print journalists do dress quite casually - though, of course, when you know you're going to have a specific kind of assignment, such as a royal visit, one would certainly expect the reporters to dress appropriately.
I didn't think of radio journalists, you're right. But when they're out interviewing/following a story such as going to an event where Will & Kate will be on this tour, do you think they'll show up in jeans? I certainly hope not (excluding the basketball game, that's entirely different, though I would hope they'll class up the jeans a bit). I have been interviewed on several occasions and the journalists were always dressed properly (not in jeans) despite the very low key types of events we were at. And these were journalists who were not on TV, but simply print journalists.

And iirc, though it's been many years, I don't believe the cameramen at an event I hosted were in jeans. I saw both Chelsea & Bill Clinton speak in 2008, but I don't remember what the cameramen & journalists were wearing and I didn't get any in photos so I can't check. So I really can't speak on the tech crew. I don't think it's too much to ask for nice khakis and a polo shirt for a formal event? idk
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I don't understan all this fuss... I agree that the dress code must be respected
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Old 11-22-2014, 04:12 PM
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I don't understan all this fuss... I agree that the dress code must be respected
I agree. Isn't it the norm too that when people are to meet with members of the Royal Family or attend events where a royal will be present that they're given instructions of what the protocol is. Such as the first time its "Your Majesty" and after that Ma'am as in ham and not in mah dam and one waits for the royal to speak first and one never touches the Queen? If the rules and regulations for such as garden parties and Ascot are in place, to me, it would stand that there is a dress code for all people surrounding the event including the press and techs.

Just common sense I think.
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I agree. Isn't it the norm too that when people are to meet with members of the Royal Family or attend events where a royal will be present that they're given instructions of what the protocol is. Such as the first time its "Your Majesty" and after that Ma'am as in ham and not in mah dam and one waits for the royal to speak first and one never touches the Queen? If the rules and regulations for such as garden parties and Ascot are in place, to me, it would stand that there is a dress code for all people surrounding the event including the press and techs.

Just common sense I think.
The problem is that another country is telling Americans what to do and they don't appreciate it. Of course it's common sense, but Americans don't like it when people tell us what to do. just see all of the "well now I'm just going to wear my Pjs!" comments some "journalists" have made.

It is incredibly silly that this is even an argument, even if a poor one at that.
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Fully agree... Besides, I read on twitter that the media should respect the code even for those who made the effort of dressing up.... not only for a royal encounter
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