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Old 09-26-2016, 11:32 AM
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Forget the plane, we are going by boat (I mean the royal we): https://twitter.com/duchesskatenews/...28370915958785

https://twitter.com/pulse1077/status/780428903399591936

Hmm - it's 350 miles as the crow flies to Bella Bella. Maybe flying in but not aerial tour?

EDIT: As of 9am Pacific time, there are reports of both planes and a boat leaving now. Who knows. Maybe bring the TARDIS next time?

And this is hilarious: https://twitter.com/TatlerUK/status/780428052350267393
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Old 09-26-2016, 11:33 AM
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I just hate these "in-between-situations"; either you´re a republic and you don´t give about a damn about these things, or you´re in a monarchy and you recognize that certain things, like basic royal etiquette, are part of that package.

I fully agree. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Royal etiquette you wish to follow and which to ignore. Besides, we should maybe become more aware of basic good manners again( like keeping your hands out of trouser pockets when in a formal situation, take off your baseball cap when seated in a restaurant, respect the parking spot for the disable/elderly).

Since the Royal couple make an effort to do the right and proper thing, those who meet them should do likewise imo.


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Old 09-26-2016, 12:21 PM
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thank you to all for the links and photos.
Makes me want to visit Canada

video of William giving a few words in French, and as he says "work with me, its a little rusty". Always nice to try a say a few words in another language.


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"Weather atrocious for William & Kate's visit to Bella Bella today. Some activities may be cancelled.But hopeful they should still get there!"

"William & Kate still heading to Bella Bella today but the weather has meant their float plane tour of the Great Bear Rainforest is cancelled"
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I just hate these "in-between-situations"; either you´re a republic and you don´t give about a damn about these things, or you´re in a monarchy and you recognize that certain things, like basic royal etiquette, are part of that package.
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I fully agree. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Royal etiquette you wish to follow and which to ignore. Besides, we should maybe become more aware of basic good manners again( like keeping your hands out of trouser pockets when in a formal situation, take off your baseball cap when seated in a restaurant, respect the parking spot for the disable/elderly).

Since the Royal couple make an effort to do the right and proper thing, those who meet them should do likewise imo.


I don't think bowing and curtsying are necessary elements of royal protocol. As I said, bowing and curtsying are no longer observed in Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and, most of the time, in Sweden, but that doesn't make the "loyal subjects" of those countries more republican than their counterparts in places where curtsying is still observed like Denmark, Spain, or the UK.

In fact, even in the UK, bowing and curtsying are always optional. It would be odd not to do it in front of members of the royal family, because it is the socially accepted custom, but nobody is required to do it.

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Makes me want to visit Canada

video of William giving a few words in French, and as he says "work with me, its a little rusty". Always nice to try a say a few words in another language.

His French pronunciation was actually better than last time he was in Canada, but still ...

It is interesting how continental princes like Willem-Alexander, Frederik, or Felipe can speak at least three of four languages fluently whereas the British princes struggle to read two paragraphs or so in French.
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Old 09-26-2016, 01:10 PM
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I fully agree. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the Royal etiquette you wish to follow and which to ignore. Besides, we should maybe become more aware of basic good manners again( like keeping your hands out of trouser pockets when in a formal situation, take off your baseball cap when seated in a restaurant, respect the parking spot for the disable/elderly).

Since the Royal couple make an effort to do the right and proper thing, those who meet them should do likewise imo.


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I fully disagree.

Monarchies evolve to reflect the society they're in, and etiquette does (or should) do the same. What works in Europe might not work outside of Europe.

Given the situation and the individuals present I wasn't remotely surprised as the lack of any bows or curtseys. The GG and LG should not have done so, as in Canada they're the representatives of the Queen. I bet that the GG's wife followed her husband's lead on this.

The PM is in a tricky spot on this - as while his party officially continues to support maintaining the monarchy, he's from Quebec and the voters in his riding very likely don't. He did now to the Queen when he met her in the UK last year. The PM's wife also likely followed her husband's lead on this.

Which leaves the Premier and her son - at which point it would have seemed odd for them to bow/curtsey when the others were not. Not to mention the fact that while she doesn't have to deal with Quebec, Christy Clark is the Provincial level equivalent of Justin Trudeau (in role, not in person).
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His French is incredibly bad, like a first year student.
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Living in Britain and travelling to Canada every few years, there is no occasion to use French. Unless you're using a language on a regular basis, you'll never pick it up.

Canada may officially be bilingual but in practice it's much different. Where I live no one speaks French.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:17 PM
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Living in Britain and travelling to Canada every few years, there is no occasion to use French. Unless you're using a language on a regular basis, you'll never pick it up.

Canada may officially be bilingual but in practice it's much different. Where I live no one speaks French.
That is not the point, I think. The point is that royal princes in continental Europe normally speak English and French fluently in addition to their own native language (i.e. Danish, Dutch, Spanish, etc.) and, often, they also speak German. Compared to that standard, the education of the British princes is lacking, especially for someone like William who is going to be king one day.

Britain may have voted to leave the European Union, but, as Boris Johnson said, that doesn't change the fact that it is an European country. One would expect European princes to speak at least one other major European language besides their own.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:23 PM
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For native French speakers on the board: is it that he speaks poorly (broken phrases, incorrect words, etc) or that he has a poor accent?


As for the question of royal etiquette, the monarchy's own webpage is explicit:

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That is not the point, I think. The point is that royal princes in continental Europe normally speak English and French fluently in addition to their own native language (i.e. Danish, Dutch, Spanish, etc.) and, often, they also speak German. Compared to that standard, the education of the British princes is lacking, especially for someone like William who is going to be king one day.

Britain may have voted to leave the European Union, but, as Boris Johnson said, that doesn't change the fact that it is an European country. One would expect European princes to speak at least one other major European language besides their own.

And what purpose would there be in a Canadian Royal (as he is) speaking European French?

Anyone from Canada will inform you that the French that is spoken in Canada - especially the French spoken in Quebec - is most definitely not the French spoken in Europe. The two have had more than 200 years to evolve differently.
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Old 09-26-2016, 03:51 PM
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The Duke had an accent and words were not correctly pronounced. Note that the Duke was reading just some written lines. Maybe with phonetic instructions. This was no conversation vis-à-vis in French. I doubt he would succeed in that.

The continental princes often have a foreign parent: Willem-Alexander has a German parent. Catharina-Amalia has an Argentine parent. Frederik has a French parent. Felipe has a Greek parent, etc. But when I learn that 12-years old Amalia (Dutch-Spanish-English-German) has started lessons in Chinese (!) while she is in her first year on a Gymnasium (which includes Latin and classic Greek) then the efforts by the Duke of Cambridge look wafer-thin...
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And what purpose would there be in a Canadian Royal (as he is) speaking European French?

Anyone from Canada will inform you that the French that is spoken in Canada - especially the French spoken in Quebec - is most definitely not the French spoken in Europe. The two have had more than 200 years to evolve differently.

The spoken language differs in vocabulary and pronunciation (and, sometimes, in grammar in the more non-standard varieties), but the standard written language is actually the same in France and in Québec.

Standard written French is actually quite uniform in all French-speaking countries, more so actually than written English where, as you can tell from these forums, there are a few differences between American (US) English, British English, or Canadian English, not only in vocabulary, but also in spelling and sometimes even grammar (syntax and morphology).

Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles were taught Parisian French of course, and, whenever they were in Canada, they were perfectly understood. The Queen's French is not perfect either (not as good as Queen Beatrix's, Queen Margrethe's and Queen Sofia's for example), but she speaks it reasonably well. William should have been held to the same standard as his grandmother and his father IMHO, but that is probably a topic for another forum.


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Its a fact the children learn language MUCH easier than adults. The brain is moore malleable at 12 than at William's age.
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William's proficiency in speaking French is well known. Nothing has changed. Nothing is going to change.

I'm sure there is a thread on languages for people who want to continue to beat the topic to death.
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