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Old 07-17-2017, 01:34 PM
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The royal couple and their children were then welcomed in Warsaw at a meeting with President Andrzej Duda.

They visited the Warsaw Rising Museum, dedicated to the 1944 Polish uprising to liberate Warsaw from German occupation during World War Two.

Prince William and Catherine will also meet survivors of the Holocaust and Nazi oppression.

In Poland, they will tour the former Stutthof concentration camp where 65,000 people died, and tour the site of Gdansk's shipyards, the birthplace of Poland's Solidarity movement that helped topple communist rule.
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For Prince George and Princess Charlotte such trips are a novelty but, as the future of the British monarchy, they'll one day become a way of life.

For their parents, the visit to Poland and then to Germany will inevitably be viewed in the context of Brexit.

It won't have any impact on the negotiations.

It will, the Foreign Office hopes, remind people of the strength of the ties that will endure after the UK has left the EU.
I'm not a fan of Peter Hunt either, and prefer the BBC's other royal correspondents: Nicholas Witchell, Daniela Relph and Sarah Campbell.

Kate Williams discussing the royal visit on Sky News:
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:39 PM
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That is exactly what I thought. Maybe this will make them leave Harry and Meghan alone for a few days.
HA they'll be on baby watch again...if she refuses any certain food they'll really crank it up.


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Old 07-17-2017, 02:17 PM
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Aw, the photos of George and Charlotte are adorable! It's nice that they were bought along. I hope that we will get to see them during the tour and not just at the arrivals (of course that is if there are any child-friendly engagements on the itinerary).

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Probably a controversial thing to say but I can completely understand why William and Catherine want their children to have a normal life for now but there have been a few occasions when George has been seen in public and the poor thing seems completely overwhelmed - very different scenario to Princess Estelle.

Not the right place for discussing I know but there does seem to be a big difference on how children are raised and their reaction to circumstances (and I do totally understand that Estelle and George are at different levels to the thrown!)
I do understand what you mean and I agree; but I also think that a part of it is related to George's personality. He seems to be more introverted than his little sister, who was quite happy to shake hands with the officials. Both children would have had the same amount of exposure to public duties so I do think that the fact that Charlotte was able to shake hands and George wasn't might also be due to his shy character.
Also; without wanting to nitpick - but George and Estelle are on the same levels to the throne as they will both rule over their respective countries one day.
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George seems to always get this Estelle comparison. It's as simple as children having different personalities.

All children go through stages. I'm not a child psychologist but I doubt the solution to George overcoming his natural shyness at this stage is to parade him in front of more cameras.

Some people are introverts and some are extroverts but just because Estelle twirls around holding flowers now doesn't mean she won't be a moody teenager later.

And please can we not get this thread off track on the first day of the tour. I'm sure Estelle must have her own thread.
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Old 07-17-2017, 03:54 PM
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Catherine and William are so cute! Kate was given a gift for a newborn today and she turned to William and said "We'll just have to have more babies"
It is none of my business, but I expect them to have one more baby and that is it. Catherine will be already 36 next January, I think. Besides, W&K are getting busier as they take on more royal duties.
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Old 07-17-2017, 04:06 PM
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Based on their engagement interview it seemed like they wanted a larger family...however Kate was very ill with George and also had, to a lesser extend, the same with Charlotte...it's quite possible they won't have any more. She still has several years left but I don't think they would want to have them far apart....George is almost 4 and Charlotte is 2. Would be neat to see at least one more but guess we will have to wait and see.


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Old 07-17-2017, 05:52 PM
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George seems to always get this Estelle comparison. It's as simple as children having different personalities.

All children go through stages. I'm not a child psychologist but I doubt the solution to George overcoming his natural shyness at this stage is to parade him in front of more cameras.

Some people are introverts and some are extroverts but just because Estelle twirls around holding flowers now doesn't mean she won't be a moody teenager later.
My niece is 4 years old and she hates being the center of attention . She's an outgoing happy little girl who would do the twirling until she'd notice people watching her . Then she'd be off hiding behind her father's legs .
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George seems to always get this Estelle comparison. It's as simple as children having different personalities.

All children go through stages. I'm not a child psychologist but I doubt the solution to George overcoming his natural shyness at this stage is to parade him in front of more cameras.

Some people are introverts and some are extroverts but just because Estelle twirls around holding flowers now doesn't mean she won't be a moody teenager later.

And please can we not get this thread off track on the first day of the tour. I'm sure Estelle must have her own thread.

I don't see the point of comparing George to Estelle. Besides, although Estelle is also a princess who will probably be one day a reigning queen, she doesn't get the same level of media attention as George. Most of the coverage of the SRF is concentrated in Sweden itself, or in Germany, or in neighboring countries like Denmark, Norway, or the Baltic states; the BRF, on the other hand, gets worldwide coverage.

Personally, I think Victoria and Daniel, while being great parents, sometimes expose Estelle too much to the media. George's life is more balanced: he's not as hidden as Felipe's and Letizia's daughters were at a similar age, but, at the same time, he's not so out there as Estelle. Having said that, I don't see, however, why W&K took the children on this trip. It is an official visit to two major EU countries (one of them, Germany, the most important EU country), having to do with official state business, especially in light of Brexit. It doesn't seem like a place for children as a light Commonwealth tour of Australia or Canada would be for example.
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Aw, the photos of George and Charlotte are adorable! It's nice that they were bought along. I hope that we will get to see them during the tour and not just at the arrivals (of course that is if there are any child-friendly engagements on the itinerary).







I do understand what you mean and I agree; but I also think that a part of it is related to George's personality. He seems to be more introverted than his little sister, who was quite happy to shake hands with the officials. Both children would have had the same amount of exposure to public duties so I do think that the fact that Charlotte was able to shake hands and George wasn't might also be due to his shy character.

Also; without wanting to nitpick - but George and Estelle are on the same levels to the throne as they will both rule over their respective countries one day.


Estelle has her grandfather and mother before her, George has a great grandmother, grandfather, father before him. So they aren't at the same level. George has an extra generation level between him and the throne.
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Estelle has her grandfather and mother before her, George has a great grandmother, grandfather, father before him. So they aren't at the same level. George has an extra generation level between him and the throne.
But Queen Elizabeth II is 91, whereas King Carl XVI Gustaf is 71. So, in generation terms, CG is of the same generation as Charles (the reason why Lord Mountbatten wanted to marry him to Princess Anne); William is of the same generation as Victoria and her siblings (explaining why he was thought of as a possible match for Madeleine, who is exactly the same age as William), and Estelle belongs to same generation as George (maybe Charlotte will marry Oscar, or George will marry Leonor ).

Sorry about all the match making, but the British and Swedish royal families are such a perfect fit (same age bracket, two Protestant monarchies, etc etc) that it is a waste to miss all those potential inter-dynastic marriages !
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I kinda doubt we will seen another royal marrying into royalty in our lifetime. If ever again.


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I think people forget that George is his father's son. William was shy in the same way when he was that age. I think it may take him a little time to warm up, because he usually lights up when he's relaxed. Remember the two-handed waves in Canada? He enjoy being around people when he's relaxed. He's a kid!

It's good to see the whole Cambridge family on this tour.
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George doesn't always seem completely comfortable with strangers or being the focus of such a huge amount of attention, but that's not an unusual characteristic. You could argue it's the sensible reaction to a large group of older, bigger people staring at you and frantically taking your picture, but regardless it's meaningless when talking about such a small child who may change completely over the next several years. I seem to remember reading that William had the reputation of being a holy terror when he was little whereas Harry was shy.

George may or may not ever be publically outgoing but as he does more of these visits and events with his parents he'll get used to things and develop his own style.
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I wonder if this will be the pattern we see going forward, that George and Charlotte accompany their parents during the summer tours but not tours during the months that they are in school/preschool.
George at not yet 4 is very young. He seemed fairly relaxed on the balcony at Trooping surrounded by family. He, when younger was more relaxed (and at times quite squirmy) exiting planes than at present. They both looked a bit apprehensive when peering out of the plane window. Charlotte had the advantage of being securely held in her mom's arms. This business of having to march along a line of grownups w/ cameras whirring/clicking in the background would intimidate many adults, let alone a 3 almost 4 year old. I seem to remember that Harry was quite shy, too - & he's certainly blossomed :)
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I kinda doubt we will seen another royal marrying into royalty in our lifetime. If ever again.


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They'll marry people from their own social circle, people they see frequently and know well.
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The daily fail article, while great with pictures, mentioned the childrens'ages three times that I counted, and got it wrong two times!
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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will meet Holocaust survivors when they visit a Nazi concentration camp.

William and Kate, who are on a five-day tour of Poland and Germany, will tour the former Stutthof camp to learn about the atrocities committed during the Second World War.

Built in Poland, Stutthof was the first Nazi camp set up outside German borders in September 1939 and one of the last camps liberated by the Allies in May 1945.

Around 110,000 people, men, women and children from 28 countries were imprisoned in Stutthof, where as many as 65,000, including 28,000 members of the Jewish community died.

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