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Old 08-24-2015, 01:01 AM
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Who knows how the monarchy will operate under Charles but we definitely know how the Queen runs things.

Kate will be given responsibilities in time but the Queen isn't go to force anyone to 'retire' to make room for the youngsters. There is a reason why people like the Gloucesters and Kents are still around and hold down important positions even though they're down to close to 40th in line to the throne and that's because of loyalty.

I know this gets repeated often but Kate's time will come just like William's time will come just like Harry's time will come.

The Queen is from a different age of the world. She has an Edwardian court still heavily influenced by the memory her mother and Victorian grandmother.

And she still may reign for another decade.
I don't think anyone have to retire in order for Catherine to take on a little more responsibility. She can be appointed to some colonelcy's, take on a few more patronages and really come into her own as a senior royal without anyone having to retire. It's about Catherine's royal role growing, not about putting another member of the royal family out to pasture, lol.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:04 AM
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Yes, we all know Catherine private time is focused on family. I just think her official roles should grow a bit. I think it's time to hand some more official responsibility down to her.
I may be odd, but I don't really see things as being "official' or done in a certain fashion like wearing opera gloves only after a few cocktails.

If it needs to be "official" and certified by the "Firm", the first and foremost person to take it up with would be Granny.

William is on record a few times stating "you don't mess with Granny".

Not our place to suggest what should be done. Someone got some good cheese to zip over to Dman?
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:05 AM
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Yes, we all know Catherine private time is focused on family. I just think her official roles should grow a bit. I think it's time to hand some more official responsibility down to her.
Her role IS growing though. They don't do more things, but they do heavier things. They have slowly intensified their commitments. Like last year, the welcoming to the state visit and this year (probably) the state banquet. Kate was also planned to do a solo tour. So they are progressing, just not in numbers. And I think that the Queen might be rather cautious in giving out a military position, I think she has been burnt by the divorces in the 90s so she's much more carefull with stuff like that I think.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:20 AM
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This woman doesn't attend a wedding of a friend and its generated more gossip and tweets and gophers and whatever else. Anne works a full schedule for the firm.. dresses like Anne does.

All of this is media intent to incite.

We do all realize that the official bookings and things from the actual Firm are not ever made public right. They plan it.. they do it.. the public doesn't pay for it and its at their will and favor right?

What do you think they should be paid monetarily for doing this stuff and putting up with all the press? Just curious.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:34 AM
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Monarchy is an institution where only the person in the top spot reaps the rewards. Constitutionally no one else matters. This creates all sorts of issues for the BRF because the Queen will probably reign for 70 plus years.

Anyway who knows what the future holds. I'm just happy for Kate. She really seems like a kind and gentle person and with Prince George running roughshod and Princess Charlotte having late nights it must be fun times at Anmer Hall.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:59 AM
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Her role IS growing though. They don't do more things, but they do heavier things. They have slowly intensified their commitments. Like last year, the welcoming to the state visit and this year (probably) the state banquet. Kate was also planned to do a solo tour. So they are progressing, just not in numbers. And I think that the Queen might be rather cautious in giving out a military position, I think she has been burnt by the divorces in the 90s so she's much more carefull with stuff like that I think.
I really don't think her Majesty is worried about the "D" word when it comes to making colonelcy appointments. She knows Catherine will be able to handle it. The Queen is the one that gave Catherine the role of representing her in Malta.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:31 AM
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I really don't think her Majesty is worried about the "D" word when it comes to making colonelcy appointments. She knows Catherine will be able to handle it. The Queen is the one that gave Catherine the role of representing her in Malta.
I mean, Malta is a one time trip. A appointment is expected to be life. Just like she's slower with giving out some orders and similar things, I think Kate's still to early in the marrigage for the Queen to give a military appointment to her. I might be fully wrong, but just a thought.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:31 AM
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I have just read about three comments on The Daily Fail site after reading about the alleged upcoming tour and ya know what, the level of anger in just those three or so stopped me from reading anymore.
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Old 08-24-2015, 09:58 AM
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I may be odd, but I don't really see things as being "official' or done in a certain fashion like wearing opera gloves only after a few cocktails.



If it needs to be "official" and certified by the "Firm", the first and foremost person to take it up with would be Granny.



William is on record a few times stating "you don't mess with Granny".



Not our place to suggest what should be done. Someone got some good cheese to zip over to Dman?
You're correct; things won't move anywhere until Her Majesty feels it's the right time. Some people just can't get over the fact that the Queen doesn't operate like they expect. Change happens gradually, especially if one is a part-time Royal, and yet, that's unacceptable to the whiners on this board. Perhaps you and I can personally send them that cheese, with hopes of getting a bit of a break, eh ? Like another poster pointed out, William, and Catherine are getting opportunities to do more serious engagements, but the numbers are still the same. It's quality that counts, and attending a State Banquet, going on a solo tour, a d welcoming a head of another country certainly outweigh the endless ribbon-cutting. Catherine has been in the family for a little over four years. There's plenty of time to receive colonel appointments, various orders, and responsibilities. Her job right now is to raise her children.


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Old 08-24-2015, 10:14 AM
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You're correct; things won't move anywhere until Her Majesty feels it's the right time. Some people just can't get over the fact that the Queen doesn't operate like they expect. Change happens gradually, especially if one is a part-time Royal, and yet, that's unacceptable to the whiners on this board. Perhaps you and I can personally send them that cheese, with hopes of getting a bit of a break, eh ? Like another poster pointed out, William, and Catherine are getting opportunities to do more serious engagements, but the numbers are still the same. It's quality that counts, and attending a State Banquet, going on a solo tour, a d welcoming a head of another country certainly outweigh the endless ribbon-cutting. Catherine has been in the family for a little over four years. There's plenty of time to receive colonel appointments, various orders, and responsibilities. Her job right now is to raise her children.


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Colonelcy appointments, orders and other responsibilities takes nothing away from Catherine's focus on her raising her children. That's her private life, I'm talking about her official roles.
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Old 08-24-2015, 11:33 AM
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Colonelcy appointments, orders and other responsibilities takes nothing away from Catherine's focus on her raising her children. That's her private life, I'm talking about her official roles.
Catherine's official roles at this point in her life is exactly what the Queen wants of her. No more no less. We can question and decide in our own minds what Catherine should be accomplishing, but it really means nothing. We are not her advisor or "boss" of the firm. When the Queen decides the time is correct, Catherine and William will be told what she requires. I also believe that P Charles knows exactly the time schedule of his mother and probably has had input. I personally don't feel that Catherine and William need official roles at this time except when the Queen likes them to appear at certain functions to gradually accept something she wants them to do. She is the boss and she will decide all responsibilities and appointments. I feel that William and Catherine are doing a good job for her under her guidelines.
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Old 08-24-2015, 11:42 AM
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There is a limited amount of these military appointments. The British military is contracting rather than expanding so there are people already in these positions. Someone would have to give one up for some else like Kate to be appointed. Harry doesn't even have an army colonelship.

Kate may already have the family order. She has not been to an event where it would be displayed in the past couple of years.

Harry just got his first knighthood this year. Maybe Kate gets one as a 5th anniversary present. Camilla didn't get on until 7 years in.

When the Queen and Philip pass, there will be a large number of positions becoming open or changing hands as C&C move to the throne and W&K to the heir apparent


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Old 08-24-2015, 12:43 PM
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There is a limited amount of these military appointments. The British military is contracting rather than expanding so there are people already in these positions. Someone would have to give one up for some else like Kate to be appointed. Harry doesn't even have an army colonelship.

Kate may already have the family order. She has not been to an event where it would be displayed in the past couple of years.

Harry just got his first knighthood this year. Maybe Kate gets one as a 5th anniversary present. Camilla didn't get on until 7 years in.

When the Queen and Philip pass, there will be a large number of positions becoming open or changing hands as C&C move to the throne and W&K to the heir apparent


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Camilla received her RFO not too long after her marriage to Charles, in 2006 if I am not mistaken. She received the VO in 2012 to mark the 7th wedding anniversary. Its difficult to tell if Catherine already has the RFO, but I suspect we will find out at the state banquet for the Chinese later this year.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:29 PM
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Duc you are aware no doubt of the origins of this list and why it is published? The role it plays regarding The State? England, unless there has been a sysmatic and/or tragic occurrence of which I am unaware, currently has no king.


I believe that there is an official list prepared by The Royal Household for The Government annually. This has to do with budgeting and I am also aware of the annual count done every year from the published Court Circular.
there is no official list. The Government grant money to the Queen and she has to work within it. If the Government ask royals to go abroad on their behalf then they contribute towards the specific costs.

the Queen pays for other royals from the Duchy of Lancaster, except PoW, Camilla, Cambs and Harry who are funded through Duchy of Cornwall.

there is a thread on this Foru, that explains it. This is off topic for this thread so apologies to all.

No of engagements has never been a criteria for funding.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:41 PM
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There is only one boss in the British royal firm and until she has a problem with the Duchess we need not to worry. A mother of four who did not have the option of raising her own children as she may have liked is most likely delighted that Prince George and Princess Charlotte are fortunate to have mom home and not on a six month world tour.
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there is no official list. The Government grant money to the Queen and she has to work within it. If the Government ask royals to go abroad on their behalf then they contribute towards the specific costs.

the Queen pays for other royals from the Duchy of Lancaster, except PoW, Camilla, Cambs and Harry who are funded through Duchy of Cornwall.

there is a thread on this Foru, that explains it. This is off topic for this thread so apologies to all.

No of engagements has never been a criteria for funding.
Thank you Cepe but I believe you might find that you may be misinterpretating what I said. The rules around finances for British Royal Family are complex but I believe that the explanation you have given may not, potentially be, with the utmost respect, the clearest snap shot nor do they for instance include such delicate and complex matter of funding for buildings, upkeep, restoration etc and the fact that it is not a certainty, ever that any member of the Royal Family, the DOC included, who may or may not have a future. It could be entirely hypothetical. The British Government and indeed the British Tax Payer and/or voters may decide against a Royal family. Who knows?
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:28 PM
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Catherine's official roles at this point in her life is exactly what the Queen wants of her. No more no less. We can question and decide in our own minds what Catherine should be accomplishing, but it really means nothing. We are not her advisor or "boss" of the firm. When the Queen decides the time is correct, Catherine and William will be told what she requires. I also believe that P Charles knows exactly the time schedule of his mother and probably has had input. I personally don't feel that Catherine and William need official roles at this time except when the Queen likes them to appear at certain functions to gradually accept something she wants them to do. She is the boss and she will decide all responsibilities and appointments. I feel that William and Catherine are doing a good job for her under her guidelines.
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There is only one boss in the British royal firm and until she has a problem with the Duchess we need not to worry. A mother of four who did not have the option of raising her own children as she may have liked is most likely delighted that Prince George and Princess Charlotte are fortunate to have mom home and not on a six month world tour.
I think you're right; Her Majesty knows first hand what happens when royal duties begin to pile up, and what effect that has on one's family life. She has a chance to make sure that her great-grandchildren grow up in an environment that is more conducive to forming strong bonds between children and parents, not to mention she is also aware of William's desire to have a period of time where he and Catherine could focus on raising children. When the time comes, we'll be seeing the Cambridges a lot, and I guarantee that even then there will be a bunch of people who will complain about them stealing spotlight from one person, or another.


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Old 08-24-2015, 04:04 PM
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Yes exactly Daria...we are going to be subjected to the stories about how the DoC is trying to undermine and/or upstage Camilla (whatever her title will be at the time) in all manner of ways....and that William is trying to overstep his bounds with Charles ..blah blah blah.


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Old 08-24-2015, 04:24 PM
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Catherine won't be accused of stealing the spotlight from anyone. She's the most senior member of the royal family, after to Her Majesty The Queen and Duchess of Cornwall. It's her place to play important roles within the "Firm."
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I think the drovers dog could upstage Camilla IMO only of course so great challenge there.
But frankly I think time to get back to work for Kate .. I agree they will have limited family life as time goes on yadda yadda but she married who she married and that life of privilege comes with responsibility. Yes she loves her children and so on but she has a responsibility outside that arena and most be seen at least to have commitment which IMO she does not appear to have at this stage. She has more commitment to her privacy and that I am afraid she can only have a snap shot of that they are not like the rest of us!!! no matter how that is said or printed it has hairs on it that old chestnut!!!! ... lets face it she sat about waiting to have him marry her ... yes she did... she has what she waited for ...... now the maternity leave [give me strength] is over IMO. Back to work is all what I think.
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