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Old 01-03-2015, 12:21 PM
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I think it's very possible that Catherine royal role will grow due to her being given honorary appointments, her accepting becoming president of a charity or an organization. The Queen is the one that was sending Catherine to represent her in Malta. I think clearly Catherine is about to be given a much bigger role to play within the "Firm." I think she has grown in confidence and clearly Her Majesty thinks so as well. She's been a senior royal for nearly four years, it's time for her role to grow and increase.
I think you might be right. She might not be doing much more engagements, but heavier...
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Old 01-03-2015, 01:35 PM
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Scenario: Catherine has scheduled meetings 9-5 with an hour break for lunch and a midmorning break and afternoon tea break. These meetings will/did take place at Kensington Palace in a meeting room there. They were scheduled for 5 days a week for a 30 day period a number of times per year and involved a number of charities. This information was published in the court circular but there was no access to photographers or reporters as they were working meetings.

My question is: Would this be sufficient to quiet/satisfy the naysayers at the DM or on TRF? I wonder, I doubt it.
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Old 01-03-2015, 02:12 PM
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Scenario: Catherine has scheduled meetings 9-5 with an hour break for lunch and a midmorning break and afternoon tea break. These meetings will/did take place at Kensington Palace in a meeting room there. They were scheduled for 5 days a week for a 30 day period a number of times per year and involved a number of charities. This information was published in the court circular but there was no access to photographers or reporters as they were working meetings.

My question is: Would this be sufficient to quiet/satisfy the naysayers at the DM or on TRF? I wonder, I doubt it.
I'm getting the vibe that unless Catherine is seen running from engagement to engagement all day every single day, the media and some members of these forums won't be satisfied. I don't see the fuss over Catherine staying home. She's able to be a stay-at-home mom, and those in charge are fine with it, so what is the problem? Is it because people just need to constantly bash her to feel better, or is it just pure boredom, or, wait for it, combination of both? Who knows, maybe Her Majesty even went as far as to ask William if he and Catherine would like some time to themselves, to raise a family, and received an answer of 'at this time, we're more interested in being out of the limelight and raising our children, then in doing royal duties'. Regardless, at this time, we're not going to see too much of either one of the Cambridges out doing 'royal work'. I would think that perhaps it's time to accept it. It's not the end of the world.
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Old 01-03-2015, 02:16 PM
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One of the 'complaints' from the Express is more and more of the Queen's and Charles's engagements are taking place behind closed doors, hence they want to see more of Kate out and about so she can be photographed and commented on.

Anyone who thinks the tabloids don't have a dog in this fight is fooling themselves. Kate sells papers and garners website clicks, this is why they want to see more of her, not because they believe her numbers are low.
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Old 01-03-2015, 03:10 PM
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Re Catherine doing more: she is following the same pattern as Diana to a large extent. I pulled out O'Donovan's figures for 1982-1984 and they were 66:110:77. As with Catherine, Diana was pregnant in '82 and '84. I dont have the figures for 85/86 to hand but in 1987 it was over 250. So this isnt unusual at all. Time enough for the figures to increase as many have said.

I know this is the wrong thread but someone asked about William - his training is in 2 parts - ground school (hence all of those 14 exams) and flight school. He has to pass both parts in order to qualify. Obviously flight school means being based in Norfolk.
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Old 01-03-2015, 03:38 PM
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We must remember the usual circumstances we have in the Royal Family - it has been stated a number of times elsewhere before, but we have three adult generations in the core members of the family as opposed to two or (in the case of the Netherlands for instance) only one. Catherine's current role as the wife of the monarch's grandson is, by it's very nature, limited in what and how much she can do - not to mention what is available to her or how much she is needed/required by "the Firm" or the government.
Charities are usually long-term commitments, sometimes life-time commitments. Taking on anything and everything now will be a problem in the future because when Catherine becomes Princess of Wales, there will be a myriad of charities, obligations etc etc that will suddenly become available for her to perform.
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Old 01-03-2015, 04:03 PM
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One of the 'complaints' from the Express is more and more of the Queen's and Charles's engagements are taking place behind closed doors, hence they want to see more of Kate out and about so she can be photographed and commented on.

Anyone who thinks the tabloids don't have a dog in this fight is fooling themselves. Kate sells papers and garners website clicks, this is why they want to see more of her, not because they believe her numbers are low.
That's the way I see it, as well. The tabloids are fomenting this slant to try to 'smoke' Kate out imo. It's not going to work but even floating it has grease from the 'Waity Katie' and 'Lazy Katie' days (when she worked for her family's business and so was unavailable for routine photo ambushes. Darn! With the press, one needs to always cast a cynical eye on the published copy).

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Re Catherine doing more: she is following the same pattern as Diana to a large extent. I pulled out O'Donovan's figures for 1982-1984 and they were 66:110:77. As with Catherine, Diana was pregnant in '82 and '84. I dont have the figures for 85/86 to hand but in 1987 it was over 250. So this isnt unusual at all. Time enough for the figures to increase as many have said.
Exactly so! Also, Charles and Diana did give extensive and unprecedented access to their private lives via 2 or 3 documentaries (I'm not sure of the number) in the 1980's, so while Diana may not have been actually out-and-about doing all that much charity work in the early years, there was a sense of accessibility from the documentaries.


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We must remember the usual circumstances we have in the Royal Family - it has been stated a number of times elsewhere before, but we have three adult generations in the core members of the family as opposed to two or (in the case of the Netherlands for instance) only one. Catherine's current role as the wife of the monarch's grandson is, by it's very nature, limited in what and how much she can do - not to mention what is available to her or how much she is needed/required by "the Firm" or the government.

Charities are usually long-term commitments, sometimes life-time commitments. Taking on anything and everything now will be a problem in the future because when Catherine becomes Princess of Wales, there will be a myriad of charities, obligations etc etc that will suddenly become available for her to perform.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with your second paragraph.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:50 PM
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I suggest that those hungry for the Cambridges' should immerse themselves in volunteer work for the next two years and then return to this forum.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:11 PM
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I'm trying to figure out: what's wrong with the expectation of Catherine's role as a senior member of the royal family growing or increasing?
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:16 PM
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It simply is not going to happen until William becomes full time.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:31 PM
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People wanting her to be a largely voiceless, smiling well coifed glamorized doll who does a minimum work load is even though she has no pressing reason not to do more-George and the baby will not suffer if she takes a little larger work load, really- when she could gain valuable experience and growth is vaguely sexist to me.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:38 PM
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It simply is not going to happen until William becomes full time.
I'm not sure about that. Although, I think Catherine and William will transition over to full-time royals during The Queen's 90th year, I see no problem with Catherine taking on a few honorary military appointments and charitable and organization presidencies. She's fully capable of doing so without being a full-time member of the royal family at the moment.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:43 PM
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You are not picking up the vibe coming for HM and PC. What you want and what they want do not jell.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:50 PM
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You are not picking up the vibe coming for HM and PC. What you want and what they want do not jell.
I picked up on somebody's vibe when The Queen asked Catherine to represent her for the first time on a tour to Malta. The only reason why Catherine didn't go was because she was unable to due to her illness with HG. That was a sign of Catherine's role as a senior royal increasing not stagnating.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:08 AM
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I picked up on somebody's vibe when The Queen asked Catherine to represent her for the first time on a tour to Malta. The only reason why Catherine didn't go was because she was unable to due to her illness with HG. That was a sign of Catherine's role as a senior royal increasing not stagnating.
I agree. They might not be doing MORE engagements, but they are doing heavier.
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Old 01-05-2015, 03:38 PM
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As long as the media is totally focused on Catherine's hair and clothes, I don't see the RF having her do much except walk behind William. Many may feel that we have all moved past Diana, who over-shadowed the POW, but I don't think the POW has forgotten and he has no plans for a repeat performance by Catherine. When the POW took over the Cambridges and Harry's PR department, there were comments that POW was not happy with all the media focus on Catherine and all her glamour.
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It simply is not going to happen until William becomes full time.
We must remember that Catherine's official role within the Royal Family is to support her husband in his capacity as a royal and future heir to the throne (let alone future king). As such, whenever William performs an official duty, Catherine will, under normal circumstances, be there with him.

We cannot have a situation whereby William goes off and does paid work and Catherine does all the royal duties on her own (this would only work if she was the royal-born and not William).

Williams current royal duties are limited (being only the grandson of the monarch) and therefore it follows that Catherine's royal duties will be the same.

In other words, William goes out to work and Catherine's current role is primarily as a wife and mother, with some official duties thrown in from time to time when William is available.

To some people, this might seem unfair on account of their having the use of a royal palace and country home (they are royal after all so it is only natural) and on account of not being seen publicly all of the time. But that is the situation until such time as their position is elevated and they are required to carry out more duties.
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Old 01-05-2015, 04:15 PM
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I think it's pretty much understood that Catherine and William are part-time senior royals, but there's nothing wrong with Catherine now finding her voice on the issues she care about and the charities she currently support. Also, there's nothing wrong with her gaining a presidency and honorary appointment in her position as Duchess of Cambridge.

I think it's very possible that she haven't found a charity or organization of which she could consider taking on a presidency position or she haven't been asked. It's also possible that considerations for any honorary appointments are being worked out. It's about increasing her current royal role as a senior member of the royal family. None of it would take away of Catherine being William's supporter and being a hands on mother.
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We must remember that Catherine's official role within the Royal Family is to support her husband in his capacity as a royal and future heir to the throne (let alone future king). As such, whenever William performs an official duty, Catherine will, under normal circumstances, be there with him.

We cannot have a situation whereby William goes off and does paid work and Catherine does all the royal duties on her own (this would only work if she was the royal-born and not William).

Williams current royal duties are limited (being only the grandson of the monarch) and therefore it follows that Catherine's royal duties will be the same.

In other words, William goes out to work and Catherine's current role is primarily as a wife and mother, with some official duties thrown in from time to time when William is available.

To some people, this might seem unfair on account of their having the use of a royal palace and country home (they are royal after all so it is only natural) and on account of not being seen publicly all of the time. But that is the situation until such time as their position is elevated and they are required to carry out more duties.
Excellent comments from someone who clearly understands the method in which royal families around the world carry out their duties.
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I think it's pretty much understood that Catherine and William are part-time senior royals, but there's nothing wrong with Catherine now finding her voice on the issues she care about and the charities she currently support. Also, there's nothing wrong with her gaining a presidency and honorary appointment in her position as Duchess of Cambridge.

I think it's very possible that she haven't found a charity or organization of which she could consider taking on a presidency position or she haven't been asked. It's also possible that considerations for any honorary appointments are being worked out. It's about increasing her current royal role as a senior member of the royal family. None of it would take away of Catherine being William's supporter and being a hands on mother.
In many ways I agree with you, but it is for the charity or organisation to invite the royal to get involved not the other way round. The alternative is for Catherine to set up her own charitable fund, which I believe has already been done.
I would venture to add that it may not be technically correct that William and Catherine are senior royals. They are well known royals and reported on more so than any other, but that does not make them senior royals in the proper sense.
Workload and responsibilities are not handed out based upon one's perceived popularity or the likely attention one might get.
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