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Old 08-09-2014, 05:12 PM
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It's a fact not an excuse. It's as true now as it was then...it isn't going to change until the PoW becomes King.



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Old 08-09-2014, 05:18 PM
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That excuse worked 3 years ago, now it's getting old.

It is not an excuse , it is a fact. They are in diferent roles. They really should not be compared, but if you feel the need to compare them ,do so when Catherine is the Princess of Wales . Diana is on the same level as Camilla. Catherine is doing fine, and doing what she is suppose to do.
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:18 PM
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I was discussing from the beginning of her marriage until after Harry had turned 2 or 3.

Yeah, those numbers included her overseas tour.



You're right. Sorry about that.
In many ways it is a competition. If people are saying Kate doesn't do enough well who is she being compared to?

There is no precedent for her position so what yardstick is used to say she doesn't do enough?

I think she should adopt Camilla's role. Do less than half the engagements of your husband and play a background and supporting role.
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:19 PM
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At the pace Catherine the heir to the heirs wife , is going , I think Harrys wife will have the privilege of barely working , since she certainly wont be allowed to do more than her seniors .

Royals even if they work 5 days a week , they cant be compared to the average individual , their job involves maximum 5 hrs and a lot of VIP treatment to and from the work place , whether its an inaugural event or a charity visit their job isnt really that hard and the wives get a lot of free time with a lot of privileges . I think people are also a bit angry about the amount spent on KP and how they're going to move to Norfolk after all that expenditure renovating theie London town/palace house , while kate pre marriage had the misfortune of being called waity katie , all this opinion of them being lazy is a result if many factors
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:22 PM
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Exactly people are bound to wonder what someone with the resources she has is rarely seen out and about .
It does not mean she is not out and about. All it means we do not get pictures. You notice we do not get pictures of her shopping anymore. I dont think she has stopped I think they have gotten smarter about it. Catherine does not seem the type to make waves, I think she is doing exactly what the firm wants her to do.
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:46 PM
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It's a fact not an excuse. It's as true now as it was then...it isn't going to change until the PoW becomes King.



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It is an excuse, you don't have to be Princess of Wales to do royal duties, doingmore royal duties would not make her neglect George. William has a full time job, or soon will, and there are no worries about him not spending time with George. Kate doesn't have to be full time, but she does need to Con tribute more than she does, whether she is POW or not.

Annette I see your point with the pictures remark and I used to believe it more, but after 3 yrs I admit it's harder to swallow. I suspect all royals have things they do behind through scenes but they still are seen working in public at the same time.
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:49 PM
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I think what everyone was referring to was that Catherine is being compared to Diana, when in fact they aren't analogous situations.

If you think Catherine should be doing more, that's fine and your opinion. But don't compare her to Diana or Camilla (or, in my opinion, Sophie either) - these aren't equal situations.

Also, in response to people's anger about the renovations at KP, I just have to say that shocks me. At some point, these renovations had to be done as the property was in a terrible state. So, whether it was the Cambridges, Harry or the Queen's cousin Pete, the renovations were going to be done.
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:25 PM
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^^^Excellent points casual fan.
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Old 08-09-2014, 10:22 PM
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I think that those that believe that Kate should be doing more than she is and actually see her doing them forget that its not up to Kate to pick and choose how much or how little she does. Each and every event, appearance or photo-op in the capacity of representing the Firm goes through channels and then is rubber stamped by the Queen herself. I suppose that Kate could take a page out of someone else's book and decide "Hmmm.. they want to see more of me. Who in the media can I attach to and let them know where I'm going so the public sees me working and more stories are written about me?" Nope.. bad bad idea.

It gets me too to still see in print that 4.5 million were spent on W&C's Apt 1A renovations. Lets put it this way. If the taxpayer had put that 4.5 million exclusively into the renovation and furnishing of a lavish, posh apartment, it would have been a big waste of money and moans and groans from all when the entire structure of KP eventually crumbled into dust. They then would be aghast at how little care was given to one of their primary historic properties.
Go figure.
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Old 08-09-2014, 11:14 PM
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AFAIK the State Apts. at KP required nearly 12 million for renovation so they could be reopened to the public.
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Old 08-09-2014, 11:24 PM
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AFAIK the State Apts. at KP required nearly 12 million for renovation so they could be reopened to the public.
Yeps. If these buildings aren't taken care of and maintained, its asking for trouble. They're not the pyramids that will withstand eons of weathering, they're going to be a pile of rubble if not maintained and I'm sure tourists aren't going to pay to come and read a sign that says "Site of Kensington Palace until it crumbled to the ground after years of neglect in 2027".
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Old 08-10-2014, 01:31 AM
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Thanks Osipi. BTW forgot to add that over the decades the State Apts. would have to be modernized with indoor plumbing, electricity, surveillance/security equipment, lighting for exhibits, audio for exhibits,indoor sprinkler systems, meet current safety and disability access etc..etc...so that the public would be able to view the exhibits. These buildings have had to undergo many interior renovations for the inhabitants and for the open to the public spaces.
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Old 08-10-2014, 01:53 AM
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Thanks Osipi. BTW forgot to add that over the decades the State Apts. would have to be modernized with indoor plumbing, electricity, surveillance/security equipment, lighting for exhibits, audio for exhibits,indoor sprinkler systems, meet current safety and disability access etc..etc...so that the public would be able to view the exhibits. These buildings have had to undergo many interior renovations for the inhabitants and for the open to the public spaces.
Those are the facts. Its the irresponsible media that keeps putting the slant on things and making innuendos that the tax payers is funding the spacious, luxuriant rooms right down to the Peter Rabbit themed room of their personal living space which if anyone with eyes in their head would know by reading that the interior stuff was all funded privately.

Then again, repairs and renovations that are needed and for the most part, boring, don't sell too many papers.
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:36 AM
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Makes one wonder what condition Buckingham Palace is in.
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Old 08-10-2014, 03:44 AM
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I think that those that believe that Kate should be doing more than she is and actually see her doing them forget that its not up to Kate to pick and choose how much or how little she does. Each and every event, appearance or photo-op in the capacity of representing the Firm goes through channels and then is rubber stamped by the Queen herself. I suppose that Kate could take a page out of someone else's book and decide "Hmmm.. they want to see more of me. Who in the media can I attach to and let them know where I'm going so the public sees me working and more stories are written about me?" Nope.. bad bad idea.

It gets me too to still see in print that 4.5 million were spent on W&C's Apt 1A renovations. Lets put it this way. If the taxpayer had put that 4.5 million exclusively into the renovation and furnishing of a lavish, posh apartment, it would have been a big waste of money and moans and groans from all when the entire structure of KP eventually crumbled into dust. They then would be aghast at how little care was given to one of their primary historic properties.
Go figure.

I agree with you , I feel the media is to blame with the way these essential repairs are portrayed to the general public , the media made it seem like 4.5 mil was used for just interior DECORATION (cushions , furniture arranging and buying ) whereas in reality it was the cost of repairs , interior design (completely different from decorating), majors refurbishments and interior architecture details to make the space liveable for a family
I visited KP during August , last year and the whole wing on one side was under construction , it was apt1A , that side looked horrendous from the outside and was covered up with a large board with the pic of the palace .. I think a lot of work needed to be done .

Part of the reason i am glad the royal family is still around is that these castles wont become private property like in other parts of Europe . I have heard countless times of Interior designers/Architects with the $$$ buying and renovating these palaces/castles and opening them up to the public for their own gain , imo its better this way , im sure the TP would have to contribute for the renovations as it's part of their national heritage .
It is very hard to manage these stately homes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle...n-duchess.html

http://www.devizesheritage.org.uk/de...stle_sold.html
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Old 08-10-2014, 03:57 AM
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I wonder if Carole and Michael Middleton ever remark, just between themselves, about how they, people who worked their socks off to build up a successful business, paid for Kate and Pippa to go to top independent schools, supported them through university, and neither of them've ever had a proper job! I really like the Duchess of Cambridge, but I think it's time she took on more duties.
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:49 PM
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Of course the Cambridges could have just bought a mansion in the city. No telling how much that would cost.
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Old 08-10-2014, 03:06 PM
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Of course the Cambridges could have just bought a mansion in the city. No telling how much that would cost.
Why should they, when there is space available within the royal palaces?
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Old 08-10-2014, 05:16 PM
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I agree with Osipi.

Given that the Cambridges are now called the world's most popular family and have an almost rock-star impact on much of the globe some still apparently believe that it's up to Catherine alone to decide when, where and how she'll appear in public and at what functions. Not so, I suggest.

Apart from any other consideration (and there are a few), does anyone really believe that she'd be permitted to upstage the Duchess of Cornwall? Think about it.

The Palace knows what it's doing - hence, idle chit-chat about Catherine's 'doing more' is singularly inappropriate and quite unfair to her.
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Old 08-10-2014, 05:58 PM
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I wonder if Carole and Michael Middleton ever remark, just between themselves, about how they, people who worked their socks off to build up a successful business, paid for Kate and Pippa to go to top independent schools, supported them through university, and neither of them've ever had a proper job! I really like the Duchess of Cambridge, but I think it's time she took on more duties.
If the Middletons' primary goal for their children was that they grow up to have full time careers that actually paid the bills they would have been better off sending them to the local comprehensive and making them work during the summers and after school to help pay their way through university.

Instead, if my memory serves, they sent Kate to Downe House, then Marlborough then St. Andrews. I imagine Pippa and James received similarly expensive educations.

I'm not knocking that choice - all three of the children no doubt received a fantastic education and I'd probably do the same if I were in their position. My only point is parents know what they're getting when they send children to these sorts of elite schools, and it's not necessarily a peer group that expects to have to work 60 hour weeks to support themselves.
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