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Old 01-25-2012, 02:16 PM
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Frankly I'm really getting tired of the Kate-haters. I too seen no legitimate reason for this unwarranted criticism and nit-picking. Enough is enough already, imo.
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:23 PM
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Behind the glitz, glitter, gowns and jewels, Kate's doing her job which is obviously not a normal 9-5 like the rest of us. That's what the Royal Family does, I thought, and theirs is just a different lifestyle that we can only imagine. Being under such constant scrutiny really gives it a fishbowl aspect that I don't think many of us can tolerate despite the perqs. If she's supportive of William and successful in her future role as Princess of Wales and queen consort, then she's fulfilled the obligations of the job for which she signed up. I'm sure she'll be escalating with her charities when William leaves on deployment and the Jubilee year gets into full swing.
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:45 PM
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Catherine one day will be Queen Consort and like those before her will be dignified, going quietly about her job, embrace children and her Royal duties and give her people the feeling that they are precious. I am not interested in exactly how many hours a day she spends on giving that impression, I'm only interested in her succeeding in being a lovable and loving future queen.

For me she does extremely well and that's all that counts.
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Old 01-25-2012, 03:00 PM
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Catherine one day will be Queen Consort and like those before her will be dignified, going quietly about her job, embrace children and her Royal duties and give her people the feeling that they are precious. I am not interested in exactly how many hours a day she spends on giving that impression, I'm only interested in her succeeding in being a lovable and loving future queen.

For me she does extremely well and that's all that counts.
Well said! I feel exactly the same way, and was finding it difficult to put into words, but you did it so well!
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:20 PM
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Frankly I'm really getting tired of the Kate-haters. I too seen no legitimate reason for this unwarranted criticism and nit-picking. Enough is enough already, imo.
Here! Here! I so agree.
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:33 AM
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I also agree. Just because she isn't being thrown into full-time royal duties -like what made Diana so freaking miserable-doesn't mean she isn't doing enough. Let them life a semi-normal life while they can.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:25 AM
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I'd agree with all these statements, if they were actually leading a semi-normal life. It seems to me that the royal couple pick and choose the engagements they actually want to do, but when it comes to serious work they're back to Wales asap. I don't think a semi normal life requires almost an entire island and its amenities to be shut off to other visitors when you go on holiday. Yes they are a royal couple, and there are some security issues but I'm pretty sure announcing yourself with a string of security measures isn't going to make it any better.

The only reason Catherine isn't being thrown in to royal duties is because she isn't married to the heir, there is leway for her to sit at home and pick which charities/patronages she'll be a part of, make a few phone calls, do some paperwork, make a secret visit or two. She isn't doing 'enough' IMO, because we don't see behind the scenes work, work that could be done by any member of W&Cs team.

It's either all or nothing IMO, if you release information saying you plan to take on this, this and this then actually do something involving what you've chosen.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:28 AM
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I'd agree with all these statements, if they were actually leading a semi-normal life. It seems to me that the royal couple pick and choose the engagements they actually want to do, but when it comes to serious work they're back to Wales asap. I don't think a semi normal life requires almost an entire island and its amenities to be shut off to other visitors when you go on holiday. Yes they are a royal couple, and there are some security issues but I'm pretty sure announcing yourself with a string of security measures isn't going to make it any better.

The only reason Catherine isn't being thrown in to royal duties is because she isn't married to the heir, there is leway for her to sit at home and pick which charities/patronages she'll be a part of, make a few phone calls, do some paperwork, make a secret visit or two. She isn't doing 'enough' IMO, because we don't see behind the scenes work, work that could be done by any member of W&Cs team.

It's either all or nothing IMO, if you release information saying you plan to take on this, this and this then actually do something involving what you've chosen.
Thanks for pointing out - agree 100%!
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:45 AM
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It seems to me that the royal couple pick and choose the engagements they actually want to do, but when it comes to serious work they're back to Wales asap.
Mileage varies, that much is clear. But I'm honestly curious about what you personally think is "serious work" for them? What should they do so that you can accept them? Would you feel better if Catherine was known to help HM polish the jewellery or the silver or to help with controlling the Royal finances? The Royals have people within their household who do this kind of serious work. Where yould Catherine fit in a way that you could accept her already, not yet married for a year, as a "serious worker"?

Royal life is very much about developing your own position within the Royal sphere and that takes time. It has to be seen what happens when HM dies. That moment, Charles inherits the duchy of Lancaster and William the duchy of Cornwall. Shall Catherine step up that said moment she becomes the wife of the Duke of Cornwall and add her personal cookie recipes to the Duchy Original range? Or check personally if the tenants were happy with Charles or if it is time for a change? What shall she do?

Thank you in advance for telling me because I personally have no answer to that question except okaying the way Catherine is searching for and developping her position at the moment.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:51 AM
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Mileage varies, that much is clear. But I'm honestly curious about what you personally think is "serious work" for them? What should they do so that you can accept them? Would you feel better if Catherine was known to help HM polish the jewellery or the silver or to help with controlling the Royal finances? The Royals have people within their household who do this kind of serious work. Where yould Catherine fit in a way that you could accept her already, not yet married for a year, as a "serious worker"?

Royal life is very much about developing your own position within the Royal sphere and that takes time. It has to be seen what happens when HM dies. That moment, Charles inherits the duchy of Lancaster and William the duchy of Cornwall. Shall Catherine step up that said moment she becomes the wife of the Duke of Cornwall and add her personal cookie recipes to the Duchy Original range? Or check personally if the tenants were happy with Charles or if it is time for a change? What shall she do?
You seem to be suggesting ways that Catherine can improve on being a housewife, I don't see how polishing the silver and adding cookie recipes to the Duchy actually shows she's a royal. As for her getting involved in money issues, that would be a massive mistake.

What I meant by serious, which I realise now seems to have been severely misinterpreted, is for her to actually do some 'real' engagements in her new role. She hasn't been married for a year, but it's getting close to it. I accept that William is obligated to finish his training and therefore cannot be a full time royal. But IMO there is nothing stopping Catherine from taking part in more than one engagement every few weeks (this may be an incorrect statement as I actually haven't gone through and counted when Catherine has done engagements).
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:15 AM
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For me, "serious work" means building her own profile by enganging herself for the patronages Kate has chosen. Its ok for me if they want to be the private army couple, but then I see pictures of Kate every other week at a movie premiere, all glammed up, or shopping.

I am not surprised that many people consider Kate lazy or workshy because this is the impression we are getting by the coverage, the latest about being on holiday, annoying other tourists with the entourages' antics. The BRF is known to be hardworking, look at Charles, Anne or even these two old people who are still racking up an agenda that puts other countries' CPs or even monarchs to shame.

I havent seen such a character trait in Kate so far, not even remotely. All this fuzz about her chosing some patronages but maybe that process was so exhausting that its time for another rest.
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:51 AM
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For me, "serious work" means building her own profile by enganging herself for the patronages Kate has chosen.
Okay, that's an opinion I can understand, I could even share if I hadn't some practical questions.

It is clear that Catherine is not going to work as a hands-on volunteer who eg takes on two or three cases of ill children, who visits every other day, reads books to them etc. She is trying something like that in Wales where she will volunteer as such a direct helper with the Scouts, but for the other charities such an approach is not possible.

OTOH I don't think it is suitable to invite the media to every meeting Catherine has with her other charities, to inform about every phone call made, any idea thought and shared, any plans that are discussed before there actually is a result, a new project really starting, a campaign ready to be presented to the public. In that case the charities would get criticism because they overplayed their "Royal connection" in order to get more donations than others, simply because they are "in the news".

How would you think about it if the media showed every day a picture of Catherine going into her office at St. James' palace and nothing more? I can imagine all those rants saying: isn't that where she keeps her wardrobe? Where she plans her holidays? Probably is only there to get a nice lunch provided by the Prince of Wales' cook, because she is too lazy to cook for herself and doing the dishes afterwards... Or if she meets people for a business lunch... That would be critizised as well.

Plus: any Royal engagement needs time to organize. That's why the workload of all new Royals have increased slowly but steadily - think Camilla, Crown Princess Mary and Princess Marie of Denmark, Prince Daniel of Sweden... They all were critizised that they were "too slow to show their dedication to their work as a Royal" but the critizism stopped after a while when the results of the work they started immediately after their wedding became visual to the public.

It will be the same with Catherine, I'm sure. Why not give her the benefit of the doubt for a bit more time?
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Old 01-26-2012, 09:56 AM
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But IMO there is nothing stopping Catherine from taking part in more than one engagement every few weeks (this may be an incorrect statement as I actually haven't gone through and counted when Catherine has done engagements).
Except that it needs some time to actually organize the event. Most Royal engagements are pre-planned months or even years in advance. Especially as it is said that William and Catherine try to follow Charles' and Diana's path of an early parenthood. You don't start a new "career" with a lot of obligations to other people when you are about to consider not only maternity leave but time to raise the kids as well. For we all agree that the way HM and eg Queen Margarethe put their work before their children is not longer considered the right approach.

Be a bit more patient and I bet you'll see her doing more and more Royal duties.
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Old 01-26-2012, 10:27 AM
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Except that it needs some time to actually organize the event.
So take the time to organise an event. She's been married for nearly a year, and engaged for 6 months prior to that. If she's capable of attending premiers, award ceremonies and filling in for her father in law the behind the scenes workers are capable of planning some actual events for her. The royal tours they did weren't planned years in advance, a few months yes which is understandable for an overseas tour. But I'm sure if Catherine actually wanted to visit places in the UK she'd be more than welcomed.

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Please don't tell me to be patient. For a couple who are basically paid to represent their country, they're not worthy of being paid. They aren't your royal family, so it doesn't really effect you. In all honesty it doesn't effect me a great deal, but I used to like the monarchy and believe in the institution, modern day royals are convincing me otherwise.
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She only chose her patronages three weeks ago. Events with those charities and scheduling takes some time to organize.
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Except that it needs some time to actually organize the event. Most Royal engagements are pre-planned months or even years in advance. Especially as it is said that William and Catherine try to follow Charles' and Diana's path of an early parenthood. You don't start a new "career" with a lot of obligations to other people when you are about to consider not only maternity leave but time to raise the kids as well. For we all agree that the way HM and eg Queen Margarethe put their work before their children is not longer considered the right approach.

Be a bit more patient and I bet you'll see her doing more and more Royal duties.
Sorry, can't agree. Did you have a stay at home mom? I didn't and I'll bet lots folks participating in this forum didn't either. I've lived long enough to have known many, many women who worked, married, worked, became pregnant, worked until their water broke, had the baby, took 12 weeks off, put the child in daycare (a modern-day nanny substitute), went back to work, and raised the children.

I simply do not buy into the fact that Kate is more fragile than the rest of us. She has more perks, but as a woman, no different than the rest of us women.
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Please don't tell me to be patient. For a couple who are basically paid to represent their country, they're not worthy of being paid. They aren't your royal family, so it doesn't really effect you. In all honesty it doesn't effect me a great deal, but I used to like the monarchy and believe in the institution, modern day royals are convincing me otherwise.


Lumutqueen, I may indeed be an American, but by descent am British and Welsh, and feel a deep kinship born of both interest and DNA with the British royal family. So it does affect me, and it also affects everyone who sees the monarchy as a bastion of tradition and as a repository of the marvels of British history and culture and its effect on the development of Western Civilization, and, above all, those who hope it will be preserved in our highly unstable world.

Like many other forum members, I tire of those who constantly nit-pick Catherine. I am quite certain that her low level of activity is not her idea, but that those in "high places" are doing the utmost to ensure a repeat of the "Diana disasters," and they are proceeding slowly in her best interests with exceeding caution and consideration. The Queen herself was allowed a time of low activity in the brief years after her marriage, only really taking on important public activities when it became clear how really ill her father was. Isn't it reasonable to assume that she would want to be sure that her beloved grandson (and heir to her heir) also has the opportunity to have a few quiet years before the enormous responsibilities and intense scrutiny that goes with being heir and later monarch is laid upon them? She (The Queen) above all others knows how heavily this will impact their lives.

So, can we just lay down the sword and let Kate have some time? I'm sure the Jubilee Year will be a busy one for the Cambridges, and then, I trust, some of this unkind criticism will be laid to rest.
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Have to agree with LumutQueen

It is now nearly a year after the wedding and it is time for Kate to be seen doing more than just the glamorous events like the premieres and award ceremonies etc.

I understand that they want a normal life while William is in the forces but at the moment they are very popular. If Kate gets a reputation however unwarranted for being work shy it will take a long time to turn that around.

I am not suggesting she should be undertaking duties everyday of the week but a year in to royal life I don't think it is unreasonable for her to do some form of duty once a fortnight or once a month ie visiting a hospital, attending a business function - similar to what Princess Marie of Denmark, Princess Laurentian of the Netherlands etc does.

By being constantly photographed going shopping and going on holiday she is at risk of looking like she does not take her role seriously. I do appreciate that these photos are the ones the paparazzi are choosing to take but this is because there is no events of substance to photograph at this stage.
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In-directly they do, apart from William's RAF wage. And that first class holiday to Mustique isn't been paid for on a military salary. Their security, which is on holiday with them is funded by the taxpayer, as the DM pointed out to us the other day.

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So, can we just lay down the sword and let Kate have some time? I'm sure the Jubilee Year will be a busy one for the Cambridges, and then, I trust, some of this unkind criticism will be laid to rest.
I'm not going to change my opinion on Catherine not working because posters ask me to be patient and "lay down the sword". People are entitled to think what they like and not have it repeatedly called criticism when it isn't.

A side note: as for the Diana excuse, that doesn't wash as Diana and Catherine are two completely different people and had/have two very different roles to fulfill.
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