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Old 01-20-2011, 05:50 PM
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The Jubilee is a different matter, if Kate and William don't participate I will be dissapointed and slightly angry.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:09 PM
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The Jubilee is a different matter, if Kate and William don't participate I will be dissapointed and slightly angry
My mother and I happened to be in London when the Silver Jubilee was celebrated. We stood on a stone wall to see HM ride by in the golden coach. (I had naively hoped that she would be wearing the crown and robes of state, not just a pink hat and dress.)

Later that day we went to Pall Mall, where the crowds were surprisingly scarce, only about three deep. We saw HM and the DoE, the Queen Mother, Princess Margaret, Charles, Anne, Andrew and Edward, ride by in open carriages. It may be that Charles was on horseback, though. All of the women had extremely beautiful skin, particularly Princess Anne. I had hoped to go over for the Golden Jubilee, but that was the week of my son's bar mitzvah! Maybe next year...

I would be very surprised if William and Catherine were not there for the Diamond Jubilee next year.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:22 PM
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I would expect them all to attend the Olympics at some stage but outside the Queen opening games the biggest role for a royal should be taken by Princess Anne as she is an IOC member, an Olympian in her own right and helped strongly to win the games for London (hopefully she will also be the mother of a competitor).

The other royals are pretty good at giving the prominence to each other at their preferred areas of interest and Anne's are the Olympics.

The other members will attend some events certainly and I would expect them to be there but the focus will be on the athletes anyway so limited reporting on which royals from which countries will make the mainstream press. I remember my brother telling me that he was doing some work at the Sydney Olympics and was interviewing some handball guys for Australian radio not knowing that the Swedish King was even in the room - he didn't know who he was and couldn't have cared less anyway and didn't report it as it wasn't relevant to what he was reporting.

As for the Jubilee it will depend on how big the event will be as to how many times royals will be seen. As there is a four day weekend for the event I would imagine a procession to the Abbey or St Paul's, a service of thanksgiving, a procession back and then a balcony appearance. There maybe a concert in the gardens of BP as there was in 2002.

Of course Kate might be too pregnant by then to attend. It will only be 14 months after the wedding - a good time to have a baby of course.
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:38 PM
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Regarding the Olympics I too expect a fair amount of appearances from almost all RF members. Certainly the Queen & DoE at opening/closing ceremonies etc & obviously Princess Anne due to her connections with the Olympics in general. But I almsot expect other members at the very least to attend some of the events, maybe hand out the medals at some events (I'm not actually sure how medal ceremonies are dealt with in Olympics, do they have to be IOC members handing them out?) Either way the Olympics is a fairly big deal & is a chance to sort of show London/UK off so I do see various members of the RF showing up at various times just to give a bit more media exposure to something or to bring a bit of "Britishness" to it, support the home athletes etc. Plus it's in London, hardly a trek for them to go to, lol!

And the Diamond Jubilee, I've heard they aren't planning too much in the way of big events, heard some discussion they were thinking of leaving it to communities themselves to celebrate it in their own ways rather than force a big parade or a week of big events or something on everyone but we'll see what actually happens when it happens. I expect at very least a Church thanksgiving service with all family members & some sort of balcony appearance so surely William & Kate would be there for that. Can't see them being able to avoid it even if they wanted to!
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:41 PM
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I think you will see member of the IOC (there are enough royals associated with the organization) handing out medals so they dont' need William and Kate for that. I would expect to see them at certain events that interest them (just as Maxima/WA, Haakon, et al) have attended in the past. Having the Olympics in your country is not something that happens for a lot people. For some (even royals) its a once in a lifetime event.

But really.....participating in the Diamond Jubliee/Olympics is really just a tiny fraction of what I expect Kate will be doing after her marriage.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:57 PM
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I believe only members of IOC can hand out medals- I may be wrong but pretty sure. For the opening and closing the Queen will be there I am sure- the Olympic commitee always like celebrties, famous plp and athletes of the hosting country to attend/participate..... I imagine we may see other Royal Families of Europe) at some events cheering (prince Albert for sure) as well.....
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:58 PM
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The Queen, as Head of State, will formally open the Games as have most Heads of State before. She doesn't even have to write a speech as it has already been done for her and she will be able to deliver it in both English and French as she speaks French fluently (and both those languages and the language of the home country when another language is the home language are the ones used at all ceremonies - unless there is another language used for a particular sport).

The medals are given out by IOC members (so Anne will be able to do so as will a number of royals from other countires who are also members of the IOC). That is as it should be - those involved in planning, organising and working on a regular basis for the organisation should be the ones giving out the honours at the games.
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Old 01-21-2011, 10:39 PM
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A strong marriage is a good foundation for any occupation however it is not enough. They also need to show that they are capable of working. If they don't work and just hide away using the excuse that they are working on their relationship then they are not going to save the royal family. If anything that will doom them.

I also hope that they plan on doing more duties than just the Olympics and the Diamond Jubilee. After all these are just one-time spectacle so while it can help increase their profile it is not the end all to be all.

http://www.styleite.com/media/mario-...agement-photo/ What do you guys think of this. I know I have never been Kate's biggest fan, but I have heard many time that she lights-up any room that she is in. Do you buy it? I don't think she is that charismatic but I was wondering what everyone else thinks.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:32 AM
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I know I have never been Kate's biggest fan, but I have heard many time that she lights-up any room that she is in. Do you buy it? I don't think she is that charismatic but I was wondering what everyone else thinks.
I believe we haven't seen the "real" Catherine yet. For years she has stayed quietly and discreetly in the back in order to avoid problems for her relationship with William. We have no real clue who is the more outgoing one in this relationship. Maybe William likes it if she sparkles on going out? But they have avoided it so not to give the media a chance to dub her "the party queen"? Not any duckling can become a swan but any swan can duck to appear like a duckling till it's time to show the real feathers...

So let's wait till after the wedding because things which would have been critizised on Miss Catherine Middleton are wished for from HRH a future queen. Maybe she will strive in a more public role? We'll see.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:44 AM
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I agree with you on this, and I can certainly believe that Catherine can light up a room that she enters.
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Old 01-22-2011, 04:27 PM
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Kate Middleton is considering becoming the patron of a charity for alternative medicine.
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Old 01-22-2011, 09:37 PM
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A strong marriage is a good foundation for any occupation however it is not enough. They also need to show that they are capable of working. If they don't work and just hide away using the excuse that they are working on their relationship then they are not going to save the royal family. If anything that will doom them.

I also hope that they plan on doing more duties than just the Olympics and the Diamond Jubilee. After all these are just one-time spectacle so while it can help increase their profile it is not the end all to be all.
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Gosh, I don't think I said they should just lounge around at home and do nothing. But for the first three years (I think), William will be pretty busy rescuing people in Wales, and his time to do royal duties will be somewhat limited. And I don't think Kate will want to spend many nights "on the road" during the first part of their marriage. No doubt- no doubt- he and she both will be available for enough public appearances to make their presence and commitment known to the people of the UK.

And of course a strong marriage is a good foundation for a career, but the career of a Royal is unlike any other- you can never really retire from it, and if you wind up with a divorce, it hurts your ability to be effective. I would venture to say that most of the people of Britain will be happy to see William and Kate getting off to a good start, rather than spending so much time apart as, for example, Charles and Diana, and Andrew and Sarah did. As I recall, Sarah has said that she and Andrew only spent 40 nights together during the first 5 years of their marriage! I've been married for 30 years, and I doubt we have spent 40 nights apart in all those years, despite both having careers which required frequent travel. If he went to Hawaii, so did I. And if I went to Paris, so did he.

What do you think the effect of another royal divorce would be? Probably much more traumatic for the public than the last few have been. Were I a betting woman, I would bet that William and Catherine will be given a lot of leeway these first few years.
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:52 PM
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This argument about her duties is quite cyclical because we have so little information. The only thing we really have to speculate on is whether or not she should be an air force wife in Wales and nothing else. Personally I feel that sitting around in Wales for three years while William saves people is unacceptable. After all she is not the one saving people. She is capable of representing charities during that time. They can both perform their duties and have a successful marriage. As for the leeway they will receive from the public that too is open to debate. You want to give them a lot of room some do not.

As for your marriage you are quite lucky in regards to your travel arrangements. Some are not that fortunate. Marriages are capable of surviving distances as I am sure you are aware of so I hope to see Kate and William spend some time apart. They will be able to cover more ground charity-wise if they split-up sometimes.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:58 PM
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I'll throw this article into the conversation...

Queen’s 2yrs off for Prince William and Kate after royal wedding | The Sun |News

It sounds like William and Kate will go overseas during their first two years and otherwise continue a similar load to what Prince William has now (which includes all the main events and several besides). Good call (if indeed true).
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Old 01-24-2011, 12:18 AM
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HHR for HRM!!

How wise and perceptive HRM is. Einstein's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Both the Monarchy and the great British public will be well-served by allowing the future King and his bride the time and space needed to establish their marriage. It's likely that Diana and Charles, and Andrew and Sarah, would still be married had they been given this consideration. The great family firm will survive the absence of the newlyweds on the public stage for the next few years.
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...As for your marriage you are quite lucky in regards to your travel arrangements. Some are not that fortunate...
Right you are that I have been quite lucky. But if my dear husband and I had spent many days apart in our marriage, who knows where we would have been. "Some are not that fortunate." True. The spouse of a young Marine serving in Afghanistan, or the wife of a commercial traveler who is dependent upon being on the road 300 nights a year is not that fortunate. But certainly the grandson of the Queen is lucky enough to put his marriage first. Why not?
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Old 01-24-2011, 12:42 AM
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I really wonder whether they would think it wise to put her under the pressure of overseas tours before getting used to things at home?
At home she could spend a week or so preparing for an engagement and then do the engagement and have time to reflect on how it went before doing the next one but no an overseas trip she would be doing four or five engagements a day with no real time to prepare between engagements or reflect afterwards on how to do it better next time because next time could be an hour away.
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Maybe I am just naive, maybe I am ignorant, but how difficult are these engagements? I know that to be a major patron and to be a real influence on a charity is quite difficult. But how hard are these initial engagements? I have seen HM, and it seems that all she does is ask a few questions and smille sweetly and accept flowers graciously. Smile, shake hands, dazzle the crowds, depart.

My thoughts about the difficulty of a round of engagements center on the grueling amounts of travel and being away from home and your new spouse day after day. The engagements themselves don't seem too difficult for a well-spoken person with a modicum of charm and self-possession. I don't underestimate the power of being a beautiful young person (male or female) who merely has to show up and be winsomely dignified, even overseas, or especially overseas. The public fell in love with Diana, and it wasn't because she was an intellectual giant or a potential CEO. It was because she was young and lovely and shyly charming.

Unless Catherine is a dullard, or a snippy miss, or a charmless twit, she'll do well. I just hope- as the Queen apparently does- that she and William will be able to spend the majority of their evenings and nights together for many years. That's essential in building a partnership and marriage.
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Old 01-24-2011, 04:44 AM
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Think back to when you had to do something for the first time - were you really nervous? Did you rehearse what might happen over and over again beforehand? Did you evaluate how it went afterwards with "I could have done that better", "I should have done that", "I won't do that again". Now imagine having to do that in front of the world's press and that is what I mean by needing time between engagements.

She also needs to do the background briefing on who she is meeting, what the purpose of the visit is, go over what she will be saying formally and informally.

The Queen looks good doing it but she has been doing it for over 80 years. She grew up doing it. It is an unfair comparison and the Queen, like William do it automatically because they know no other life except one that includes this sort of thing. A better comparison was Diana and Sarah and how uncomfortable they were at first but after a couple of years they were much better. Camilla did, and still does, most of her engagements with Charles nearly 6 years in.

For Kate that isn't the case. If she say does a tour to Australia she will need to learn about our country, our culture, language she can and can't use, who the people are she is meeting, why she is meeting them etc. Now to do that for one engagement say on a Wednesday would allow her to prepare and reflect before doing another engagement a week or so later in a similar circumstance but if in a foreign country she has to take it all on board, have the world's press there reporting everything she says, doesn't say, does, doesn't do, wears, doesn't wear etc for an extended period of time. Another thing is that these overseas trips have to be in William's off-duty time from the Air Force limiting their private time again.
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A great post.

Might I add, in the early years Catherine will be getting to know the organsiations that she will be visiting, and getting a better idea of the type of work they do. This will probbaly mean a lot more background briefing, and probably a lot more time spent behind closed doors for Catherine with the management teams at the charities themselves. This bit is unlikely to be reported, so it is likely to mean that she will probably be "working" more than appears.

I suspect in the early years she may also have to invest a lot more time in wardrobe planning as well, as she will be building up her "royal" wardrobe. I am sure the pressure will come off in time, when she will be able to rely on "old" favourites.
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