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Old 10-06-2012, 05:55 AM
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Interesting point, Kataryn. I think you're right. And I believe there's a strong element of Tall Poppy Syndrome involved.

The article reminded me of something that amused me very much when I first saw it; on the main page of this site there is an ad informing us that we can own a replica of the Kate Middleton engagement ring. For so long it was distinguishable as Diana's engagement ring, but it's only taken this long to become known as Kate's. She is now the one everyone is interested in and wants to see and "own".
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:25 PM
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...It has outlived it life, far more than it should have. It is done...Let us move on.
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You have made 21 posts in this thread, 11 of them in the last five days.
While I'm certainly not discouraging further discussion, it seems rather pointless calling for others to "move on" while you continue to be an active participant.
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Just like a fly to a decomposing body. Administrators have closed far more interesting discussions, simply because they became, mentally, thought prevoking. Not the same overused words.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:34 PM
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I haven't joined in this debate except to say that this couple are not celebrities. I missed the tour because I've been on holiday in the US. I've just watched the ITV programme on the tour.

The two camps in this thread - "privacy breached/against the law in France" vs "She (I think that is irritating because it should be they, but I'm not going to debate it ) should have known better" do not seem to be prepared to give ground - and there is no reason why you should.

However, my point is that NO ONE can deny that this couple behaved, under very difficult circumstances, in a most exemplary fashion on this tour and in the final analysis, they should be judged on how they do their job. And I think that they did GB proud. Professional, approachable, and great ambassadors.
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Old 10-06-2012, 08:55 PM
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However, my point is that NO ONE can deny that this couple behaved, under very difficult circumstances, in a most exemplary fashion on this tour and in the final analysis, they should be judged on how they do their job. And I think that they did GB proud. Professional, approachable, and great ambassadors.
I completely agree. As we say in the states, they are a class act. It was a pleasure to see two people their age cope so very well, support one another and do their job.
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:40 AM
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However, my point is that NO ONE can deny that this couple behaved, under very difficult circumstances, in a most exemplary fashion on this tour and in the final analysis, they should be judged on how they do their job. And I think that they did GB proud. Professional, approachable, and great ambassadors.
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I completely agree. As we say in the states, they are a class act. It was a pleasure to see two people their age cope so very well, support one another and do their job.
I'm with both of you one hundred percent. They do the Royal Family and United Kingdom very, very proud, and as we had a chance to witness, can handle working under some rather nasty circumstances. The fact that they didn't let this occurrence consume their public lives says a great deal about how serious they are about their work and what is expected of them. They'll be a tough act to follow, that's for sure.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:02 AM
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The two camps in this thread - "privacy breached/against the law in France" vs "She (I think that is irritating because it should be they, but I'm not going to debate it ) should have known better".
I'm not sure it's as black & white as that.

I agree their privacy was breached, it should not have happened and the photographer should be prosecuted if that's what the French law is. I also think William and Kate made an error of judgement given the fact there is a history of this type of press behavior.

I don't think the two views are mutually exclusive.
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Old 10-07-2012, 04:34 AM
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Just like a fly to a decomposing body. Administrators have closed far more interesting discussions, simply because they became, mentally, thought prevoking. Not the same overused words.
That's about 22 threads in this topic you deem oh so trivial and redundant.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:30 AM
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I'm not sure it's as black & white as that.

I agree their privacy was breached, it should not have happened and the photographer should be prosecuted if that's what the French law is. I also think William and Kate made an error of judgement given the fact there is a history of this type of press behavior.

I don't think the two views are mutually exclusive.
Great post! I agree wholeheartedly.
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Old 10-07-2012, 11:02 AM
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Just like a fly to a decomposing body. Administrators have closed far more interesting discussions, simply because they became, mentally, thought prevoking. Not the same overused words.
Kind of like lodging the same complaint over and over ad nauseum. I seriously think that if the moderators deem the thread a valid discussion, if you have any further beefs about it, take it up with them. Leave the thread to those that are honestly enjoyng the discussion please.

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Old 10-07-2012, 11:59 AM
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I'm not sure it's as black & white as that.

I agree their privacy was breached, it should not have happened and the photographer should be prosecuted if that's what the French law is. I also think William and Kate made an error of judgement given the fact there is a history of this type of press behavior.

I don't think the two views are mutually exclusive.
I completely agree with you as well, VictoriaB.

The taking and subsequent distribution of the pictures was a violation of their privacy and those responsible should be persecuted if that's what the French law states. However, they should have known better. Removing ones bikini bottoms outside is never a good idea, even less so if you happen to be one of the most photographed people in the world.
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:41 PM
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Topless Kate Middleton spins web of intrigue - Telegraph
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True royal watchers aren't looking at topless photos of Kate | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun

True royal watchers aren't looking at topless photos of Kate.
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Old 10-07-2012, 02:00 PM
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Not sure what's going on here
After reading the article I have no clue either. I am glad though that the website has disappeared.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:57 PM
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They got that right. Out of respect for Her Highness (and in general), I won't look at those types of pictures. It's bad enough they're out there.
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Yes, this is what I believe as well. I hope that the photographer/s are punished as strongly as the laws allow.

Does anyone else find it ironic that the pictures taken with a long-distance camera were published in a magazine called "Closer"?


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I agree their privacy was breached, it should not have happened and the photographer should be prosecuted if that's what the French law is. I also think William and Kate made an error of judgement given the fact there is a history of this type of press behavior.

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Old 10-09-2012, 04:49 PM
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Of major, on-going concern is the function and proper role of the press and the way in which it intrudes and manipulates. The Duchess was a victim of inappropriate exploitation and thus became the catalyst for the current debate. That is why the discussion is an important one: Catherine's role is of primary concern as her debasement was the means to an unethical and humiliating outcome. This is why the 'she shouldn't have done it' chorus was well off the mark, in my opinion: the entire point was lost on them.

We know that porn is readily available on the internet, but transnational humiliation was partly the name of this game. In sum, to my mind, debasement of any human being equals ultimate porn.

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This is a legitimate question, do you think they did this to humiliate her or to just sell whatever the junk they sell, because it would be sensational to some degree. I agree they didn't do this for porn. I, also, question that it may have been humiliating to Catherine, was that the intent? It is debasing, no question, I am just wondering at the actual motive and I, just, IMHO think it was quick cash.
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I believe the motive was quick cash, nothing more. I doubt the photographer/s had any intention of debasing Catherine. They just saw an opportunity to flog some photos of her nekkid. Nekkid royalty = cash. Simple as that.

If they intended to do it for porn, it's very bad porn. Though of course I haven't seen the video; maybe it's actually very good porn. And anyway, is pornography necessarily debasing? I don't think so, but I'm sure this is another subject about which we would get a very wide range of opinions here.
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I believe the motive was quick cash, nothing more. I doubt the photographer/s had any intention of debasing Catherine. They just saw an opportunity to flog some photos of her nekkid. Nekkid royalty = cash. Simple as that.

If they intended to do it for porn, it's very bad porn. Though of course I haven't seen the video; maybe it's actually very good porn. And anyway, is pornography necessarily debasing? I don't think so, but I'm sure this is another subject about which we would get a very wide range of opinions here.
Oh, I never thought it was porn. Catherine is stunning, but not the crap porn addicts, usually, look at, of course, what do I know. I don't even know that the photographer knows the word debase. I think he knows quick, big cash. None of this makes it right.
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:41 PM
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The photographer probably did it for cash. The question is - why did the publishers publish??

In the UK publishers are political and all have agendas but I don't know about the case in Europe.

Interesting perspective COUNTESS.
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