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Old 09-29-2012, 02:28 PM
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The photos have long lost any 'shock' value they may have had. The British public understand the context which these photos were taken and have rightly sided overwhelmingly with William and Catherine.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:34 PM
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She will have worse.
Maybe. One hopes not.

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So, don't let the small stuff freak you out.
True enough.

I do not, however, think this is small stuff. You know how that goes, though. Great minds may think alike, but fools seldom differ.


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2. You are right I had nothing to do at that moment and was amused by the hullabaloo about this non-event.
Wow. Just wow. *sputter*
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:35 PM
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I generally prefer to lurk, but I noticed on another site that all comments supporting Kate were rated negative while those blaming her were rate positive. It was so obvious that commentors started talking about who would go out of there way to make it seem like Kate had no support when she overwhelming she does.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:38 PM
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When the general public are asked if they support W&C, they overwhelmingly say yes. Comments from tabloids and less than reputable royalty sites are manly from trolls.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:39 PM
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have rightly sided overwhelmingly with William and Catherine.
I don't think they have 'sided' with them in anyway. The press would LOVE to publish these pictures, look at The Sun who published the picture of Henry a month or so back. They don't publish them because they know the public will freak and the royal family will go into shutdown mode. It's not about siding with anyone, it's about making an educated decision. Continued readership or hatred of the nation?
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:40 PM
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I don't think they have 'sided' with them in anyway. The press would LOVE to publish these pictures, look at The Sun who published the picture of Henry a month or so back. They don't publish them because they know the public will freak and the royal family will go into shutdown mode. It's not about siding with anyone, it's about making an educated decision. Continued readership or hatred of the nation?
I mean the public have sided with W&C
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:41 PM
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Tad dramatic aren't we? This 'scandal' doesn't even make it into the top 10 as far as the Windsors are concerned.
Ouch, that was harsh. I was putting myself in the Duchess' shoes and I knew if I were her, I would be mortified to go out in public. I still would go out, though, but it would be very awkward for me. Maybe its awkward for her but she hides it very well.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:42 PM
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Ouch, that was harsh. I was putting myself in the Duchess' shoes and I knew if I were her, I would be mortified to go out in public. I still would go out, though, but it would be very awkward for me. Maybe its awkward for her but she hides it very well.
Catherine has nothing to be ashamed about though
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:49 PM
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Catherine has nothing to be ashamed about though
I never said she should be ashamed for sunbathing topless/bottomless. I've made it clear that I see nothing wrong about sunbathing au natural pages ago. Its just for me personally, I would be embarrassed knowing that people I pass by on the streets know what I look like naked, no matter what my body looks like.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:56 PM
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New intrusion of Kate's privacy as bottomless pictures of Duchess are published by Danish magazine

While there was previously an overwhelming support for the Duchess, the top-rated comments on this article suggest a slight shift in public opinion.
I saw this earlier and, honestly, IMO, these are just the same old nasty, resentful people coming out in force. Spouting the same old grievances ... William should not have married her, she is common, she shouldn't be Queen, she is an exhibitionist, ad infinitum. I don't don't if these are just the usual "mean girls/boys" or a bunch of adolescent nasties, but they were out in force very early this a.m. The comments were even red arrowing those people who were reasonable and making negative comments about the paps. I doubt that most of the population would agree with their sentiments.
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Old 09-29-2012, 02:57 PM
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Obviously Catherine has 'moved on'. She was at the wedding of a friend today and photographed many times.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:06 PM
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Agreed. There's a growing feeling of resentment toward people at "the top." There seems to be more and more glee evinced when the rich and/or powerful and/or famous are exposed and shamed. Even if nothing has actually been done wrong, their supposed failings get raked over by the media and those who comment on the media. What's forgotten is that these "top" people are persons, with human desires, fears, and relationships. I sometimes think that the world, as perceived by those of us who watch culture, is becoming increasingly divided into "them" and "us." The "us" being the oh-so-real "ordinary" people and the "them" being the famous/rich/powerful who obviously are somewhat less "real" than us because of what they've achieved or inherited or married into and therefore deserve to be treated with less real respect than the person met in the shop, workplace, or street. If a person is a public figure, they're perceived as having too many privileges; and so therefore they must be "unprivileged" in another way by the "real" people. I think that the commentators on the Daily Mail are an example of this. There's horrid resentment there toward anyone who has a place in society or else where in the public eye. That's the way I see this, anyway.



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Bah. All through history societies have failed to recognize the biggest threats to them until it was too late. Things creep up... If the basic human right to privacy is no longer held in esteem for the British Royal Family, and in particular those who will be its future King and Queen, then it's a little like the last man standing is wobbling, don't you think?
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:14 PM
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Agreed. There's a growing feeling of resentment toward people at "the top." There seems to be more and more glee evinced when the rich and/or powerful and/or famous are exposed and shamed. Even if nothing has actually been done wrong, their supposed failings get raked over by the media and those who comment on the media. What's forgotten is that these "top" people are persons, with human desires, fears, and relationships. I sometimes think that the world, as perceived by those of us who watch culture, is becoming increasingly divided into "them" and "us." The "us" being the oh-so-real "ordinary" people and the "them" being the famous/rich/powerful who obviously are somewhat less "real" than us because of what they've achieved or inherited or married into and therefore deserve to be treated with less real respect than the person met in the shop, workplace, or street. If a person is a public figure, they're perceived as having too many privileges; and so therefore they must be "unprivileged" in another way by the "real" people. I think that the commentators on the Daily Mail are an example of this. There's horrid resentment there toward anyone who has a place in society or else where in the public eye. That's the way I see this, anyway.
I would agree, however I don't think it is anything new. I think it is just the increased opportunities to openly resent and bad mouth, i.e., the internet. I do think maybe there is an increased nastiness in general, however. In previous years people had to go to the trouble of writing a "letter to the editor" and most people were too lazy, now it's easy to sit down at the computer and spew the hatefulness.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:27 PM
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Yes, it's so much easier now for people to be hateful. A letter to the editor always required a real name, for example. There are so many more opportunities out there to smear people. I fear though that this sort of thing is becoming normalized. There is less respect for social structure and authority in general. There is anarchy out there that's becoming louder and more organized, and I believe that things like the publication of the Duchess's private moments are a symptom of it.

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I would agree, however I don't think it is anything new. I think it is just the increased opportunities to openly resent and bad mouth, i.e., the internet. I do think maybe there is an increased nastiness in general, however. In previous years people had to go to the trouble of writing a "letter to the editor" and most people were too lazy, now it's easy to sit down at the computer and spew the hatefulness.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:29 PM
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^^Exactly. Sitting behind a computer screen allows people to remain very anonymous. Being somewhat cynical, I tend to believe society in general is not as genteel as years ago.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:31 PM
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I don't think that's cynicism. I think that it's an accurate observation.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:46 PM
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There is anarchy out there that's becoming louder and more organized, and I believe that things like the publication of the Duchess's private moments are a symptom of it.

Yeah.

And you will understand, I know, when I say it's the most frightening kind because this mob are a bunch of rebels without a cause. I mean, the anarchy and discontent is not because of any obvious thing such as political oppression or human rights/civil liberties violations ... it is more malaise turning to ennui. The most insidious thing of all: indifference.

If you're a history buff, most of the major civilizations suffered the very same thing before they fell. There are especially interesting correlations between the fall of the Roman Empire and the current trend of reality television and privacy invasion. Think gladiator games and other blood sports.
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Old 09-29-2012, 04:51 PM
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Look, she is a stunning young lady. She carries herself beautifully. She is a great asset to the family. I think what many are saying is that these things, unfortunately, happen, today. If they felt suing was the correct thing to do, then it was. But , it is time to let it die its own death. And for them, it will be good. And when I said she will have worse, she will, also, unfortunately, but life is full of ups and downs. You just have to go forward, with your head high.
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:01 PM
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... But , it is time to let it die its own death.

Said it before and I will say it again, as politely as I can.

Please stop telling me/us when it is time to stop talking. I am finding it bothersome.

Some of us, myself included, do not see this as an isolated and unfortunate incident that we just have to take in stride and move along from. Some of see it as a bit a harbinger ... another pillar of society eroding. It *is* a big deal because it's one of the first symptoms of an internal disease. Now, you may be fine ignoring all the rashes that arise on society's body, hoping they will go away if you just don't pick at them, but some of us are not and we like to discuss such things to arrive at an understanding. Maybe with enough understanding we can effect positive change. See?

So, again, please, for the love of good manners, stop repeating that it is time to move along. Why don't *you* move along?
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Old 09-29-2012, 05:11 PM
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I would agree, however I don't think it is anything new. I think it is just the increased opportunities to openly resent and bad mouth, i.e., the internet. I do think maybe there is an increased nastiness in general, however. In previous years people had to go to the trouble of writing a "letter to the editor" and most people were too lazy, now it's easy to sit down at the computer and spew the hatefulness.
Mostly agreed. I think it's a combination. The tendency to bitterness always existed but has been exacerbated by ease of communication and ability to be anonymous.

Amazing what people will say in writing, on the internet, from the anonymous chair, that they will NOT repeat out in the brick and mortar world.

The idea of anonymity, if I remember the halcyon days of the WWW, was to protect users from potential harassment and allow a wider degree of privacy, not to facilitate harassment and invade privacy.
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