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Old 09-19-2012, 11:37 AM
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Sets a Precedent

Yes, I believe it is true that hundreds of similar acts happen every day: people's images being used without their consent and/or their privacy being invaded by taking of such pictures.

However, instead of being angry that the high profile nature of *these* photos and *this* victim causes action where it does not with the average Joe/Jane, I think it might be viewed another way.

Like it took Diana to hug an AIDS patient to get the world to be more accepting and it took Gandhi to nearly starve to death to bring his issues to the world stage and Rosa Parks to decide she was going to sit on the bus to start the civil rights movement ... it sometimes takes a high profile incident/case/response to make the sort of systemic changes that DO affect the average Joe/Jane.

When someone with a public voice says "here is the line" and it causes increased protections or needed changes, it gives people without a public voice the same protections and changes. It has always been so ... that it takes people with influence to ... well, influence things.

It might not be "right" in a Socratic sense, but it is the way of it. We live in a world that is essentially trapped in a trickle down state and we must rely upon the goodness of those in positions of influence to trickle down the benefit.

So, to me, their standing firm on the issue and it getting treated with action and respect by the authorities makes it that much easier for Joe/Jane to ask for the same thing. A legal precedent is, in itself, classless and without variable weight, it is what it is and influences the application of the law. They have, essentially, changed the law - not in a huge, shift the world way, but in the same small way that Joe/Jane can under the same circumstances. I think it is a nearly perfect object lesson in people with influence using it properly.

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Old 09-19-2012, 11:43 AM
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Wow, you mean to tell me French police are actually investigating criminal activity?! What are they going to do next, actually try and arrest criminals?! What on earth are they thinking?!

It's up to the French police to decide what priority they give to different crimes. I somehow doubt very much that police in Paris would have been spending their time preventing criminal activity in the south of France even if this whole thing hadn't happened. Traffic police are still out stopping people for speeding even when there are murders and rapes within society. Police make a judgement on the allocation of resources every single day.
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:46 AM
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Yes, I believe it is true that hundreds of similar acts happen every day: people's images being used without their consent and/or their privacy being invaded by taking of such pictures.

However, instead of being angry that the high profile nature of *these* photos and *this* victim causes action where it does not with the average Joe/Jane, I think it might be viewed another way.

Like it took Diana to hug an AIDS patient to get the world to be more accepting and it took Gandhi to nearly starve to death to bring his issues to the world stage and Rosa Parks to decide she was going to sit on the bus to start the civil rights movement ... it sometimes takes a high profile incident/case/response to make the sort of systemic changes that DO affect the average Joe/Jane.

When someone with a public voice says "here is the line" and it causes increased protections or needed changes, it gives people without a public voice the same protections and changes. It has always been so ... that it takes people with influence to ... well, influence things.

It might not be "right" in a Socratic sense, but it is the way of it. We live in a world that is essentially trapped in a trickle down state and we must rely upon the goodness of those in positions of influence to trickle down the benefit.

So, to me, their standing firm on the issue and it getting treated with action and respect by the authorities makes it that much easier for Joe/Jane to ask for the same thing. A legal precedent is, in itself, classless and without variable weight, it is what it is and influences the application of the law. They have, essentially, changed the law - not in a huge, shift the world way, but in the same small way that Joe/Jane can under the same circumstances. I think it is a nearly perfect object lesson in people with influence using it properly.

YMMV.
Thank you. Exactly what I wanted to say. Just didn't have the patience.
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:48 AM
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I think the media and others feel if you are a public figure, then every part of that public figure is up for grabs and should have no rights for privacy whatsoever. I think everyone is entitled to some privacy and if that persons privacy is violated, then that person should have the right to persue justice.

There's no doubt that this incident will cause William & Catherine and all the royals to be extra careful but they are making it known that just because they are public figures don't mean they will not stand up for their rights to some privacy now and in the future.

I think the paps should stop crossing the boundries. I will hate to see them try to invade the privacy of William & Catherine's children or anybody's children for that matter.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:26 PM
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Yes, I believe it is true that hundreds of similar acts happen every day: people's images being used without their consent and/or their privacy being invaded by taking of such pictures.

However, instead of being angry that the high profile nature of *these* photos and *this* victim causes action where it does not with the average Joe/Jane, I think it might be viewed another way.

Like it took Diana to hug an AIDS patient to get the world to be more accepting and it took Gandhi to nearly starve to death to bring his issues to the world stage and Rosa Parks to decide she was going to sit on the bus to start the civil rights movement ... it sometimes takes a high profile incident/case/response to make the sort of systemic changes that DO affect the average Joe/Jane.

When someone with a public voice says "here is the line" and it causes increased protections or needed changes, it gives people without a public voice the same protections and changes. It has always been so ... that it takes people with influence to ... well, influence things.

It might not be "right" in a Socratic sense, but it is the way of it. We live in a world that is essentially trapped in a trickle down state and we must rely upon the goodness of those in positions of influence to trickle down the benefit.

So, to me, their standing firm on the issue and it getting treated with action and respect by the authorities makes it that much easier for Joe/Jane to ask for the same thing. A legal precedent is, in itself, classless and without variable weight, it is what it is and influences the application of the law. They have, essentially, changed the law - not in a huge, shift the world way, but in the same small way that Joe/Jane can under the same circumstances. I think it is a nearly perfect object lesson in people with influence using it properly.

YMMV.
This is a fabulous post! Thank you.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:37 PM
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A Danish magazine has announced it also intends to publish the pictures. Does Berlesconi have media interests in Denmark?

I was surprised by the actions of the French police in raiding the magazine office in Paris but can't say it upsets me too much. I am hoping that when the criminal trial happens the photographer/editor/publisher all get to cool their heels in a French jail even if only for a few days.
No, not at all. Se & Hr, (the Magazine) is owned by Aller Press a major Scandinavian magazine publishing house.

Let me make it clear: Se & Hr is trash! And the editor has been answering questions all day as to why the pics should be published. - Not very convincingly I might add.

According to Danish legeslation such pictures are a very clear breach of privacy and experts are convinced that the BRF would win a lawsuit against Se & Hr hands down.

Another thing is how many more magazines they are going to sell anyway here in DK.
Kate is not a Danish or Scandinavian royal and blurred pictures of naked breasts is not something that will have people flocking to the kiosks to buy the magazine.

The privacy laws here in DK are pretty strickt. Magazines have been fined heavily for taking candid pics of a local celeb topless, - on a public beach of all places.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:41 PM
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So heres the question and you might not know the answer.

Who is selling these pictures to the Danish magazine? The Closer magazine can't sell them to anyone and is supposed to give up the negatives (or disc really), I woudl imagine that the Italian paper nor the Irish Daily Star own the original rights to the pics?
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:46 PM
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So heres the question and you might not know the answer.

Who is selling these pictures to the Danish magazine? The Closer magazine can't sell them to anyone and is supposed to give up the negatives (or disc really), I woudl imagine that the Italian paper nor the Irish Daily Star own the original rights to the pics?
The editor of SE & Hr claims that they have had the pictures for days. In fact they said so in public and also that they considered publishing the pictures - after calculating the costs and consequences.
Se & Hr had the pictures before the French court ruling.

According to experts, the BRF just has to take this to a Danish court and they would take action very quickly.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:47 PM
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So heres the question and you might not know the answer.

Who is selling these pictures to the Danish magazine? The Closer magazine can't sell them to anyone and is supposed to give up the negatives (or disc really), I woudl imagine that the Italian paper nor the Irish Daily Star own the original rights to the pics?
As was mentioned previously, the photographer owns the copyright to the pics, not The Closer. The Closer was told they could not publish the pics, but the photog wasn't. At least that is they way I've interpreted all I've read.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:52 PM
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Apparently the German Bild is also thinking about printing the pictures. So I am pretty sure the photographer sold the pics to them and Bild couldn't care less if Wills and Kate are angry about it or not. If they want to publish them they most certainly will.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:18 PM
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I think the media and others feel if you are a public figure, then every part of that public figure is up for grabs and should have no rights for privacy whatsoever..
Not everyone in the media. One of the Twitter posts yesterday from the tour was from Bob Woodruff's account and he said:
Bob Woodruff ‏@BobWoodruff In my conversation w/ Kate Duchess of Cambridge I did not ask her anything about this scandal-She doesn't deserve it pic.twitter.com/vpO6Z5XC



Bob was the American journalist who was critically wounded in a roadside bomb in Iraq. He had to undergo a lot of therapy to return to work (some said he would not be able to). Nice man.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:23 PM
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I really wonder if these other magazines are even going to sell. The Closer edition sold out immediately, but one of the US morning shows stated that very few people in Italy are even buying the Chi magazine edition. They even interviewed some random person on the street In Italy, who basically said, what's the point when the photos have already been seen.

That person is right. By now most people (well at least those that want to) have already seen the pics. So why spend money to buy grainy magazine photos, when you can see them for free online?
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:47 PM
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Swedish Se & Hr (which is also a magazine from Aller) publishes eight photos.
Nu publicerar Se & Hr brstbilderna p Kate | Nje | Expressen Nje | Njesnyheter Musiknyheter Filmnyheter
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And obviously Aller's finnish gossip magazine 7 piv too, tomorrow.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:52 PM
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E bay has banned the sale of magazines with the photos:
eBay bans sale of 'topless Kate' featuring magazine - Yahoo! News
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:33 PM
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Kate's breasts, ***** Riot, virginity tests and our attitude on women's bodies - CNN.com


Interesting read
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:04 PM
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Donald is right. It is obvious that paparazzzis only wait for moments like this
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:16 PM
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This very large picture illustrates the situation.
There is 800 meters from where the photographer stood to where Kate were.

http://www.bt.dk/sites/default/files...ilprovence.jpg

The editor of Danish Se & Hr claims that it wasn't a paparazzi, just an ordinary person with a camera.

Yeah, right!! If you believe that then I've got a mermaid for sale!
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:19 PM
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I really wonder if these other magazines are even going to sell.

Exactly! Everyone interested has seen the pictures, and from what I can gather, most don't think they're such a huge deal.

(Like me- I just don't get the rabid interest in these pictures! I mean, Kate is a pretty girl, but you can see more at just about any beach. She doesn't have anything any other woman doesn't have.
And there's thousands of photos of women who are definitely more well-endowed than Kate! So, just what is the purpose of gawking at these blurry photos?)
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Old 09-19-2012, 04:35 PM
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E bay has banned the sale of magazines with the photos:
eBay bans sale of 'topless Kate' featuring magazine - Yahoo! News
They're still for sale on eBay, dirt cheap. I just bought one. My mother wanted a copy for her ephemera collection.
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