The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1121  
Old 03-24-2013, 10:18 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Green Bay, United States
Posts: 508
Queen Elizabeth was named after her Mother. Why not name the baby after her Mother. I think Catherine Elizabeth Diana Carole would sound good. It cover mom, both grandmothers and great grandmother.
__________________

__________________
  #1122  
Old 03-24-2013, 10:22 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Los Alamos, United States
Posts: 1,030
Ethan is a Biblical name but I don't know where in the scriptures.

Aidan has strong Scottish roots. St. Aidan was important in Scottish history in the early Middle Ages when clergy--even saints--ruled large areas and challenged secular rulers.
If I am remembering correctly, Aidan was a founder of Glasgow in one of its incarnations.
My medieval ancestors lived in Glasgow (or what is Glasgow now) but after Aidan's time. My "uncle" Elias was a canon of Glasgow Cathedral before the present edifice was built. The interior of the cathedral has the same strong gothic arches (heavy, dependable) as the sewer system of Paisley Abbey (sorry, trivia time, but Glasgow has a fascinating history and Scotland is part of the UK). Princess Alice and also Elizabeth the Queen Mother came from Scotland. Some have commented that Scottish blood tempered the Hanoverian bloodline, and the more the merrier to do just that. Not that it would change Baby Cambridge's very English genes through his very English mum.

Here's to a very English baby!
__________________

__________________
  #1123  
Old 03-24-2013, 11:16 PM
Lady Kathleen's Avatar
Gentry
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: San Francisco Bay Area, United States
Posts: 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariel View Post
Ethan is a Biblical name but I don't know where in the scriptures.
Ethan the Ezrahite is the author of the 89th psalm.
__________________
  #1124  
Old 03-24-2013, 11:31 PM
CrownPrincess5's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Beverly Hills, California, United States
Posts: 2,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by NGalitzine View Post

I have asked several times but have yet to get an explanation as to what is considered a "modern" name, aside from Blue Ivy, Brooklyn, Lemon or Apple. What exactly do you consider modern names, especially when this child could be a future monarch of the UK?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ish View Post

I get how Louise isn't typical in modern times (and I would think it's unlikely to be the name, as that's the name of Edward's daughter), but how is Philip out dated?
Let's put it this way...every Philip and Louise I know are over the age of 45.

Blue Ivy, Apple aren't what I consider modern at all...those names are really tacky, but they get away with it cause their celebs.

I think a modern name with a traditional hint would be something like Charlotte, Alexander, Jonathan, Alexandria, Taylor, Victoria (although they can't use that name), etc. Just not Philip!
__________________
I don't dream at night, I dream all day. I dream for a living.
-Steven Spielberg
  #1125  
Old 03-24-2013, 11:34 PM
miche's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: N/A, United States
Posts: 524
^ All those names are (centuries) old
__________________
  #1126  
Old 03-25-2013, 12:12 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: n/a, United States
Posts: 331
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrincess5 View Post
Let's put it this way...every Philip and Louise I know are over the age of 45.

Blue Ivy, Apple aren't what I consider modern at all...those names are really tacky, but they get away with it cause their celebs.

I think a modern name with a traditional hint would be something like Charlotte, Alexander, Jonathan, Alexandria, Taylor, Victoria (although they can't use that name), etc. Just not Philip!
Some of these things (i.e. whether a name sounds out of fashion or not) can depend a lot on where a person is from. Louise has maintained more popularity in the UK compared to the US. In the US, I don't think I know anyone named Louise who's under the age of at least 60, but I know plenty of younger people named Louise in the UK.

I also know a several people - on both sides of the pond - named Philip who are definitely under the age of 45. I don't think of it as an old name at all, but I do find people's different perceptions of such things interesting.
__________________
  #1127  
Old 03-25-2013, 10:49 AM
Sister Morphine's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Carolina, United States
Posts: 2,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ish View Post
Alison was a common name in the Middle Ages. Derek came into English usage in the 15th century, Melissa is a name from Greek mythology and has been an English given name since the 18th century. Karen is a Danish variation of Katherine that has gained popularity in the English world since the 1940s. Linda is a medieval short form of Germanic names that end in "linde." Caitlin is an anglicized form of the Irish form of Katherine, Brianna is the Irish feminine version of Brian. Cody and Brady come from old Irish names, Ashton is an Old English word turned surname turned given name.
That's nice and all, but I wasn't debating the linguistic derivations or origins of the names. I was well aware before you responded what language those names stemmed from, and what parts of the world they stemmed from. Unless you can provide for me a list of well-known people born between 0 A. D. and 1950 with those names, we're going to go ahead and call them modern. Because I sincerely doubt there were people running around Middle Ages Europe named Cody, Ashton, and Brianna. Let's be real, here.
__________________
"The grass was greener / The light was brighter / The taste was sweeter / The nights of wonder / With friends surrounded / The dawn mist glowing / The water flowing / The endless river / Forever and ever........ "
  #1128  
Old 03-25-2013, 11:03 AM
Molly2101's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 2,530
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrincess5 View Post
Let's put it this way...every Philip and Louise I know are over the age of 45.

Blue Ivy, Apple aren't what I consider modern at all...those names are really tacky, but they get away with it cause their celebs.

I think a modern name with a traditional hint would be something like Charlotte, Alexander, Jonathan, Alexandria, Taylor, Victoria (although they can't use that name), etc. Just not Philip!
I have family friends whose children are called Phillip and Louise and they are in their 20's, but that is only one example. The name Louise is a very popular middle name - I know a lot of people with the middle name Louise.

I think names are very subjective as my name (Molly) to me suits a younger person more than someone in their 30's and 40's. The name, however, is a popular name in the elderly generation as a variation of the name Mary.
__________________
"I am yours, you are mine, of that be sure. You are locked in my heart, the little key is lost and now you must stay there forever."
Written by Princess Alix of Hesse and by Rhine in the diary of her fiance, Tsarevich Nicholas.
  #1129  
Old 03-25-2013, 12:00 PM
GracieGiraffe's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Giraffe Land, United States
Posts: 1,469
My 12 year old has a friend named Phillip. I like it as a boy's name because it is not overused yet traditional.

However, Louise as a royal name is tremendously overused, and I would be dismayed if it's this baby's first name. If you look at Wikipedia (which actually has some very fine articles on royals), it ranks "Louise" as the top name for British princesses since Hanoverian times.

Now, I do think that the derivation "Louisa" is starting to gain popularity among the masses and is in fact a much prettier name. I would not mind seeing this used. Louisa Elizabeth would be a wonderful choice.

While we're on the subject of Louise/Louisa, I have a question Victoria's daughter Louise, who was Louise Caroline Alberta. However, the earliest reporting of her name was "Louisa Caroline Alberta." I'm wondering if the Germanic Albert and Victoria, used to German pronunciations, named the daughter "Louise" which in English in French has a silent "e" at the end, but really intended her name to sound more like "Louisa."

I also think that out of all the British Queen names, Anne is my favorite. Simple, traditional. I especially like it paired with another feminine name. One of Queen Anne's daughters was "Anne Sophia." Is that not a very pretty name? Unfortunately, like all of Anne's children, she died young, but had she lived, we might have had a Queen Anne Sophia.
__________________
The future George VII's opinion on infant carriers,
"One is not amused."
  #1130  
Old 03-25-2013, 02:53 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Rio de Janeiro and Petrópolis, Brazil
Posts: 1,124
Quote:
Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe View Post
I also think that out of all the British Queen names, Anne is my favorite. Simple, traditional. I especially like it paired with another feminine name. One of Queen Anne's daughters was "Anne Sophia." Is that not a very pretty name? Unfortunately, like all of Anne's children, she died young, but had she lived, we might have had a Queen Anne Sophia.
I think she would be Queen Anne II, because there was never a English or British Monarch with a double regnal name.
__________________
  #1131  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:02 PM
Sister Morphine's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Carolina, United States
Posts: 2,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrazilianEmpire View Post
I think she would be Queen Anne II, because there was never a English or British Monarch with a double regnal name.
There would have been, though. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert's son Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence, had he lived, more than likely would have been King Albert Victor, per his mother's wishes. He didn't live though, and brother Bertie reigned instead, but opted to forgo any nominal reference to either of his parents.
__________________
"The grass was greener / The light was brighter / The taste was sweeter / The nights of wonder / With friends surrounded / The dawn mist glowing / The water flowing / The endless river / Forever and ever........ "
  #1132  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:06 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Rio de Janeiro and Petrópolis, Brazil
Posts: 1,124
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Morphine View Post
There would have been, though. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert's son Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence, had he lived, more than likely would have been King Albert Victor, per his mother's wishes. He didn't live though, and brother Bertie reigned instead, but opted to forgo any nominal reference to either of his parents.
Prince Albert Victor was Queen Victoria's grandson. His father was King Edward VII, who chose not to rule as King Albert Edward.
__________________
  #1133  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:07 PM
Ish's Avatar
Ish Ish is online now
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 2,001
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Morphine View Post

There would have been, though. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert's son Albert Victor, the Duke of Clarence, had he lived, more than likely would have been King Albert Victor, per his mother's wishes. He didn't live though, and brother Bertie reigned instead, but opted to forgo any nominal reference to either of his parents.
Albert Victor was the son of Edward VII, not Queen Victoria.

Victoria named her first son Albert Edward, and he named his first son Albert Victor. When Albert Edward came to the throne he decided that he didn't want to use the double monichor, as he wanted the name Albert to continue to be associated with his father. It's likely that had Albert Victor lived he would have similarly stopped one of his names when he became king.
__________________
  #1134  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:18 PM
Ish's Avatar
Ish Ish is online now
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 2,001
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Morphine View Post

That's nice and all, but I wasn't debating the linguistic derivations or origins of the names. I was well aware before you responded what language those names stemmed from, and what parts of the world they stemmed from. Unless you can provide for me a list of well-known people born between 0 A. D. and 1950 with those names, we're going to go ahead and call them modern. Because I sincerely doubt there were people running around Middle Ages Europe named Cody, Ashton, and Brianna. Let's be real, here.
I wasn't able to find many pre-19th century examples, owing to the fact that common people (with commoners names) aren't likely to have Wikipedia pages.

Alison Begbie (1762-1823)
Alison Cockburn (1712-1794)

Derek is a name commonly associated with the Keppel family. The first Earl Keppel's father was named Derek van Keppel and died in 1646.

Karen Kotte died in 1509, Irish republican Caitlin Brugha was born in 1879 and died in 1959.

Cody as a surname ha been seen in figures like Buffalo Bill Cody and Henry John Cody, both active in the 19th century. An alternative spelling, Kodi, is seen in India through Kodi Ramamurthy Naidu (1882-1942).

Briana was the name of a character in Edmund Spenser's The Faerie Queene, first published in 1590.

Brady is an Anglicized surname derived from the name "Mac Bradaigh" which means "son of Brady." While I didn't find any one with Brady as a given name, several Bishops of Kilmore were Mac Bradaighs.

Brothers and English cricketers Gilbert, Claude, Hubert, and Percy Ashton were all born between 1895 and 1901.

Linda appears in Estonian mythology, Melissa in Greek mythology.

So, actually, yeah, I do believe that there may have been people named Cody, Ashton, or Brianna in premodern times.
__________________
  #1135  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:25 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Rio de Janeiro and Petrópolis, Brazil
Posts: 1,124
In my opinion, what really matters here is if the suggested name was used by the British Royal Family in the past or not.

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will stick with a set of very tradiotional names for their baby.

They'll be naming a future British Monarch, this demands a traditional name.
__________________
  #1136  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:32 PM
Elenath's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Nuth, Netherlands
Posts: 272
I agree they will use a tradional name, but it doesn't have to be one the RF has used before. Every name they use now has been used a first time at some point. Why not again...
__________________
  #1137  
Old 03-25-2013, 06:15 PM
Sister Morphine's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Carolina, United States
Posts: 2,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ish View Post
Cody as a surname ha been seen in figures like Buffalo Bill Cody and Henry John Cody, both active in the 19th century. An alternative spelling, Kodi, is seen in India through Kodi Ramamurthy Naidu (1882-1942).

Brady is an Anglicized surname derived from the name "Mac Bradaigh" which means "son of Brady." While I didn't find any one with Brady as a given name, several Bishops of Kilmore were Mac Bradaighs.

Brothers and English cricketers Gilbert, Claude, Hubert, and Percy Ashton were all born between 1895 and 1901.
We're not talking about surnames, we're talking about first names. Someone in the late 1800s with the last name of Ashton is not an example of someone with a first name of Ashton. Face it, these are modern first names, which has been my point this whole bloody time.
__________________
"The grass was greener / The light was brighter / The taste was sweeter / The nights of wonder / With friends surrounded / The dawn mist glowing / The water flowing / The endless river / Forever and ever........ "
  #1138  
Old 03-25-2013, 06:55 PM
QueenS5's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 122
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Kathleen View Post
Amelia is a possibility, but Ethan will definitely not be chosen.
I'd like those names for my children too. If I ever have any!!! :-)
__________________
  #1139  
Old 03-25-2013, 08:14 PM
CrownPrincess5's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Beverly Hills, California, United States
Posts: 2,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by Isabella View Post

Some of these things (i.e. whether a name sounds out of fashion or not) can depend a lot on where a person is from. Louise has maintained more popularity in the UK compared to the US. In the US, I don't think I know anyone named Louise who's under the age of at least 60, but I know plenty of younger people named Louise in the UK.

I also know a several people - on both sides of the pond - named Philip who are definitely under the age of 45. I don't think of it as an old name at all, but I do find people's different perceptions of such things interesting.
That's what I'm thinking..I'm not sure which names are considered modern in the UK. But Philip and Louise and Henry isn't modern here in the US. That doesn't mean there aren't young people with those names but I'm generally speaking.

Really? Every Philip I know is old.
__________________
I don't dream at night, I dream all day. I dream for a living.
-Steven Spielberg
  #1140  
Old 03-25-2013, 10:33 PM
miche's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: N/A, United States
Posts: 524
Old names are making a comeback in the US. Everything old is new again. Its the circle of life.

Last year American Idol winner Philip Phillips is 22
__________________

__________________
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
HRH Duke Carlos Javier (1970- ) and the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma: August 2010- Warren Royal Families of Italy 207 06-22-2014 05:08 PM
Potential Names and Godparents for Zara Phillips Tindall and Mike Tindall First Child Zonk The Princess Royal and Family 110 06-05-2014 04:47 AM
Baby Cambridge: Musings and Suggestions Zonk The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Family 3615 07-22-2013 02:30 AM
Possible names and godparents for Joachim & Marie's baby principessa Prince Joachim and Princess Marie and Family 390 07-26-2009 11:56 AM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events duchess of cambridge style fashion genealogy grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta cristina infanta elena infanta leonor infanta sofia king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander olympic games ottoman picture of the month pom pregnancy president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince frederik prince laurent prince pieter-christiaan princess princess alexia (2005 -) princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess haya princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess marie princess mary princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia spain state visit sweden wedding william


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:17 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]