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Old 03-21-2013, 07:13 PM
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A good rule of thumb regarding "Christian" names is if a "St." at one time was in front of it, or if it was found in the New Testament. St. Francis. Elizabeth, mother of John the Baptist, etc. If the pope is named "Francis" methinks it is safely considered a Christian name.

I personally don't care if the name is "Christian" or not, but traditional names within the BRF tend to be "Christian."
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:57 PM
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Elizabeth is a Hebrew name, but the Queen is not Jewish.....so I don't see what the family's religious affiliation has to do with the name(s) they might choose for their child. Also, how is Frances a traditional "Christian" name? Frances is a Latin name, dating back to the time of the Roman Empire, and not many people equate Christianity with the Roman Empire. Holy Roman Empire maybe, but the name predates that.
Hebrew and Judaism are not necessarily synonymous. The name Francis seems to have originated with St. Francis of Assisi, and Frances is a derivation of that, so I'd consider that a traditional Christian name. (As for Christianity and the Roman Empire - I think many people do associate the two, due to Constantine's adoption of Christianity, and the subsequent spread of the religion. Maybe that's just me.)

That said, I personally don't care if the child's name has Christian "credentials".
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I would be OK with another Princess Diana, just as I'm OK with Princess Athena. And I realize that even in the New Testament of the Bible, there were some Greek names which then became "Christian" names, such as Lydia, Chloe, Rhoda, Silvanus, and others. So I stand corrected. It is appropriate to baptize a baby with a non Judeo-Christian name. Just not what I would choose.
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Hebrew and Judaism are not necessarily synonymous. The name Francis seems to have originated with St. Francis of Assisi, and Frances is a derivation of that, so I'd consider that a traditional Christian name.
Just because a Christian saint used the name doesn't mean it's necessarily a traditional Christian name. Many people consider Elizabeth and Mary to be traditional Christian names, but they're not, and there are several saints bearing those names (or derivations of it). As for Hebrew and Judaism not being synonymous, Hebrew is the language of the Jewish faith. I think it's rather obvious what I meant, and it wasn't that Hebrew and Judaism are one in the same. Elizabeth IS a traditional Hebrew name, but the Queen has no connections to Judaism or Jewish people or Hebrew culture whatsoever.....therefore the origins of the name have no bearing on what faith HM professes.
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"Elizabeth" appears in the Old Testament as the name of Aaron's wife ("Elisheva"), and in the New Testament as the name of the wife of the priest Zechariah and mother of John the Baptist. It has also been the name of several saints.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:57 AM
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I don't care if it is "Christian" or not either and I am really sorrybut I dont want another Elizabeth as a first name. They will hopefully have a boy so all of my whining is mute any ways but I am feeling a girl. Like I have ever gotten anything right about royal babies.
I still really like Amelia Elizabeth Caroline Francis
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:04 AM
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Naming the baby Elizabeth would be a beautiful tribute to Her Majesty the Queen, especially after the Diamond Jubilee, and the Duke of Cambridge is Her closest grandchildren.

Also, this year is the 60th Anniversary of Her Majesty's Coronation, and would be wonderful to know that there's a Queen Elizabeth III on hold.

I will be in middle 90's when this baby ascends to the Throne. I was born during the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, and I would like to die during the reign of Queen Elizabeth III.
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Just because a Christian saint used the name doesn't mean it's necessarily a traditional Christian name. Many people consider Elizabeth and Mary to be traditional Christian names, but they're not, and there are several saints bearing those names (or derivations of it). As for Hebrew and Judaism not being synonymous, Hebrew is the language of the Jewish faith. I think it's rather obvious what I meant, and it wasn't that Hebrew and Judaism are one in the same. Elizabeth IS a traditional Hebrew name, but the Queen has no connections to Judaism or Jewish people or Hebrew culture whatsoever.....therefore the origins of the name have no bearing on what faith HM professes.
Yes, Hebrew is the language of the Jewish faith, but the Christian faith obviously grew out of the Jewish faith, and incorporated many Hebrew scriptures, etc. (see: the Old Testament; it is also believed that the Gospel of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew). Elizabeth is a name used in both the Old and New Testaments (most notably, it is the name of the mother of John the Baptist). If the Bible has no bearing on what faith HM professes, then I'd be quite surprised, and certainly very confused. (I'm not saying Elizabeth isn't also a traditional Jewish name, but being traditionally Jewish and traditionally Christian are not mutually exclusive).

Also, as for something like Francis, if a name originated with a saint, and was popularized by them, then, in my eyes at least, it becomes traditionally associated with the Christian faith. Even if a name as other origins, but becomes associated over the centuries with a saint, and if people name their children after that saint as a part of their faith, I would consider it traditionally Christian. But obviously we all have our own parameters for what qualifies as traditional, I suppose.

As for William and Kate's child, my main interest is what family connections the name will have. My personal favorites for a first name for a girl would be Elizabeth, Alice, Victoria, or Alexandra, but I like most of the traditional female names from within the royal family. I know less about the male names, and it seems like so many of them are currently in use, so that could be tricky. I feel they'll go with something traditional, I just wonder quite how old-school they'll go, or how distinctive it will be.
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My top choice for a girl is Charlotte and top choice for a boy is Alexander.
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:21 PM
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My top choice for a girl is Charlotte and top choice for a boy is Alexander.
Those are my favorites, too, on both counts. Upthread I suggested Philip Alexander, but either way, I think both Charlotte and Alexander have the right combinations of being traditional, not recently used, and able to honor various family members.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:47 AM
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Charlotte Eleanor Frances Elizabeth
Charlotte Georgiana Louisa Elizabeth
Georgiana Alice Elizabeth Caroline
Georgiana Caroline Amelia Elizabeth
Alice Georgiana Rose Caroline
Alice Rose Caroline Elizabeth
Alexandra Elizabeth Diana Mary
Alexandra Charlotte Elizabeth Georgiana

Arthur Charles Philip George
Arthur Philip Edward Alexander
Alexander James Richard Michael
Alexander Michael Philip Charles
George Edward William Philip
George Alexander Edward Charles
Philip Michael Alexander George
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:30 AM
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My top choices are Charlotte and Alexander too, but I do like Alice and Arthur too.
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Arthur Charles Philip George
Arthur Philip Edward Alexander
Alexander James Richard Michael
Alexander Michael Philip Charles
George Edward William Philip
George Alexander Edward Charles
Philip Michael Alexander George
Philip George Edward Charles[/QUOTE]

I still think we will see either Michael or Peter in a little Princes' name.
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Diana Elizabeth Caroline ______?_______
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Diana Elizabeth Caroline ______?_______
They will not use Diana as a first name.

A safe option is Elizabeth Victoria Diana Carole.
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Maybe this is true: There are three names which HAVE to go into the princess's name, that is, Elizabeth, Diana (or Frances or Rose) and Carole (or Caroline). So they could put whatever they want at the front end, the first name. I am not sure they will feel compelled to use the names of grandmas and great-grandma, however. They may surprise us, if it's a girl. The nicest presently existing royal name, in my opinion, belongs to Lady Rose Gilman: Rose Victoria Cristabel. (she is the daughter of the Duke of Gloucester, and they honored her grandmother Alice by using Alice's middle name, Cristabel). They could honor Diana by calling the child Rose, after "English Rose", the song made famous at Diana's funeral.
So maybe: Alice Elizabeth Caroline Rose. Or maybe: Charlotte Rose Elizabeth Carole
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:11 PM
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Nice idea,Mariel! The middle name Rose would also comemorate Princess Margaret as she was born as Her Royal Highness Princess Margaret Rose of York!
Q.Elizabeth II was reported to have said about her sister when she was young "She is not a rose,but a rosebud",
I think that is so over-cute of her!
And it would be a subtle reference to Princess Diana-Englands Rose!
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Maybe this is true: There are three names which HAVE to go into the princess's name, that is, Elizabeth, Diana (or Frances or Rose) and Carole (or Caroline).
I don't see why any names have to go anywhere.


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They could honor Diana by calling the child Rose, after "English Rose", the song made famous at Diana's funeral.
The song sung at Diana's funeral was Candle in the wind the lyric was; "Goodbye England's rose, may you ever grow in our hearts".
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It's not the first time I see Margaret or Margaret as suggestions.

Prince William was close to his great-aunt?
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I don´t know-but it would be a subtle remembrance of Diana AND Margarete who was very artistic,fashionable and had a dramatic life- so maybe the Duchess can relate to her as well because she has studied history of art and likes to wear beautiful clothes...just my thoughts...
By the way-roses are extremely popular flowers in UK and any name with "Rose" in it would be charming... (Just look at David Austin´s roses,than you will understand the fascination for that special flowers!)
Rose would be a less obvious choice than Diana and easier to pronounce than Frances (which can be easily mis-pronounced or confused with the male counterpart as in the name of the new pope).
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