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Old 07-31-2013, 09:27 AM
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He was on a plane headed to Iceland. Not to diminish his death, but he was not killed going to fight anything. He had his problems, but I think he was a good man, and how the family perceived this, I do not know. My husband's first name is George, never called that and he hates it, but a family name just the same.
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He was in the military, in a war, flying an airforce plane, on a military mission - that is KIA - as he was undertaking a military mission during a war.
Iluvbertie is correct. There need be no argument about this. The Duke of Kent died while on military service and is therefore commemorated by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.

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WINDSOR, GEORGE EDWARD ALEXANDER EDMUND

Rank: Air Commodore

Date of Death: 25/08/1942

Age: 39

Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force (Auxiliary Air Force)

Awards: K G, K T, G C M G, G C V O

Cemetery: FROGMORE ROYAL BURIAL GROUND

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Duke of Kent. Fourth son of His Majesty King George V and Her Majesty Queen Mary; husband of H.R.H. The Duchess of Kent.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:07 AM
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I am disappointed that they have gone for the obvious in George. Dull. If it had to be the name of a previous monarch, I would have preferred something from further back like Richard or John: a name that hasn't been recycled so often would have been fresher. I don't see any reason why they can't use a non-regnal name anyway.

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Old 07-31-2013, 10:25 AM
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I am disappointed that they have gone for the obvious in George. Dull. If it had to be the name of a previous monarch, I would have preferred something from further back like Richard or John: a name that hasn't been recycled so often would have been fresher. I don't see any reason why they can't use a non-regnal name anyway.

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Do you think there might be a possibility that William and Catherine might actually like the name George?
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:35 AM
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Of course. I've only given my own opinion. No reason at all why they should share it.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:14 AM
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It is sad that they have to keep using the same names over and over again and not bring in less used royal names. I believe I heard that there is a taboo in using the name John in the BRF, and be wise of Richard III I'm not sure if that name would go over well either.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:03 PM
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It's not sad at all. I am happy that they are using a name with history and weight to it rather than some made up modern name.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:46 PM
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I cannot see James Middleton of "naked internet photos he put up himself" as being a godfather to Baby George. If he is chosen, I'll forever lose interest in the "modern" BRF.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:00 PM
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I cannot see James Middleton of "naked internet photos he put up himself" as being a godfather to Baby George. If he is chosen, I'll forever lose interest in the "modern" BRF.
That surely is a threat they will betaking very seriously at BP / KP!
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:44 PM
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You mean you haven't lost interest already?
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:15 PM
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It's not sad at all. I am happy that they are using a name with history and weight to it rather than some made up modern name.
Oh good gracious no one is saying name the kid apple, there are other traditional English names that need to make a comeback. But I knew the name they chose would be boring and I am still glad it is George rather than Charles or Edward.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:20 PM
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The name George denotes regal, dependable, hard working to me.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:17 PM
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It is sad that they have to keep using the same names over and over again and not bring in less used royal names. I believe I heard that there is a taboo in using the name John in the BRF, and be wise of Richard III I'm not sure if that name would go over well either.
I've said this before, but I don't believe there are any such taboos. Not when the Queen named her heir Charles.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:18 PM
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"George" is rather hard to pronounce. That's my beef with it. But if pronounced with a British accent, I presume the "rrr" (grrr) sound would be mitigated, and even come close to disappearing. Grandma, it does sound "regal, dependable, hard working".
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:47 PM
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"George" is rather hard to pronounce. That's my beef with it. But if pronounced with a British accent, I presume the "rrr" (grrr) sound would be mitigated, and even come close to disappearing. Grandma, it does sound "regal, dependable, hard working".
Really? I don't perceive it as hard to pronounce at all - perhaps because I'm just so used to hearing/saying it. It's definitely think it's a good, strong, name though, even if it's not a favorite of mine.
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How can George ever be pronounced as anything other than what it is asks the guy with the English accent?
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:05 PM
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How can George ever be pronounced as anything other than what it is asks the guy with the English accent?
Haha. I will say I used to get very confused as a child when watching The Sound of Music because I didn't understand what the Captain's name was supposed to be - took me ages to figure out that it was actually 'Georg', but just pronounced so completely differently from 'George' in English that I never would've even thought they were spelled (almost) the same.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:09 PM
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How do people in the US pronounce George Washington, George Bush or George Clooney? It is a standard english pronounciation
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:18 PM
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Well, in the US, "George" is pronounced with a hard R. I believe that some British accents I've heard, especially the Oxford type which the royals speak, soften the R.
You "hear" the R but it is less pronounced and softer. Sort of Jawj. Cepe, in America we pronounce the Georges Clooney, Bush, and Washington with that hard R. We do have some regional accents remaining in America, even though most people now speak Standard English. For instance, in Giraffe's neck of the woods, the Southeast, the R would be softened, I believe. I think some Noreastern folks still soften such an R, as President Kennedy would have, but the Noreasters ADD final R's where they don't exist in the spelling, which is to my ears a very strange thing.

Kennedy would drop the final R in "mother".

Some of us in the western US speak without a discernable (by audiologists} accent. We of course have an accent which Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady would have discerned, but much less so.
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Old 07-31-2013, 08:33 PM
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I am sorry but this reminds me of an awful video on Youtube of an American woman attempting to teach Americans how to speak with an English accent. It was hilarious because no English person would recognize her pronunciations as being English.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:10 PM
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How do people in the US pronounce George Washington, George Bush or George Clooney? It is a standard english pronounciation
Sadly, Cepe, we here in the midwest (my part) pronounce it with vowels that most people don't make unless they pinch their nose.
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