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Old 03-17-2013, 05:38 PM
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And I have to say that you gave me great news. I'm very worried about the loopholes that can let Catholicism reach heirs to the Throne.
There are no loopholes. Royals could marry Catholics and not be barred from the line of succession. Currently the nearest a Catholic is going to get to the throne would be marrying Prince Henry. If a the heir wishes to marry a Catholic, they can but they must remain Anglican themselves and raise the heir accordingly.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:39 PM
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The legislation will probably be forgotten until this child has children, if it's a boy. I personaly hope for a boy like Catherine.
I kind of hope it's a boy in part so that the hoopla surrounding the legislation dies down. I do think the rules need to be changed, but the rush to do it is going to end up having unexpected consequences. Far better to review it at a more careful pace. If this child is a girl, then the succession doesn't come into play until the next child is born, and if this child is a boy then it comes into play if a girl is born next followed by a son. The issue shouldn't be tabled simply because a boy is born, but it shouldn't be rushed simply because a girl is (or, as is the case, might be) born.
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:44 PM
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And I have to say that you gave me great news. I'm very worried about the loopholes that can let Catholicism reach heirs to the Throne.

Anyway, I can't see the new rules take so long to be passed that the Duchess had already had another child.
I don't think the legislation is designed to allow Catholicism to reach the heirs. It's simply designed to allow heirs to marry Catholics and remain in the line of succession, so long as their heirs are raised Anglican. This isn't all that different from how things are now - now if an heir marries a Catholic he/she loses their place in the succession, but their children are able to be in the line so long as they're raised Anglican (as seen with the children of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent).
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:05 PM
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As I understand it the Canadian Senate also decided they wanted more time to review the Act since it had been rushed through the House of Commons without debate. I haven't seen anything in the press saying they have passed it yet.
The last discussion I saw of it in the Canadian press was that there was a debate as to whether or not changing the succession changes the constitution. If the senate rushes it without consulting the provinces there can be a constitutional crisis.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:21 PM
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The rush to push the new law thru seems unneccesary.If baby is boy - same old procedure. If it is a girl, it doesn't come into play until a second child is born which probably doesn't happen til 2015 (unless Kate pulls a Jessica Simpson). Nick Clegg who is the big pusher for the law probably thinks he will be out of office by then so he is pushing it now.

The conflict with the marrying a Catholic if you are in direct line for the throne is the papal law would require your kids to be Catholic. If you were super strict Catholic this would be a big deal if you are marrying the future head of the CoE. If you are not super strict, you would probably covert like Autumn did.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:32 PM
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Skippyboo, your last point is the one which has worried any, me included, since this proposal was put forward. As the deputy PMis married to a Catholic you would think he'd understand this but no, he says it's not a problem.

He also has,it seems to me,have completely forgotten the 15realms and the risk of different rules applying to individual commonwealth countries at any moment in time - if agreement is ever reached.

Time is needed to consider this and what should happen is just 1st born is monarch regardless of gender should be agreed ASAP and the religious element given more time as it is not a matter of urgency.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:45 PM
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Kate Middleton: Duchess of Cambridge reveals she wants a son but says Prince William would prefer a daughter | Mail Online

"The Duchess of Cambridge said today that she hopes her baby is a boy.
But Kate, who is five months pregnant, said Prince William would prefer to have a girl.
The Duchess made the revelations while speaking to a soldier during the couple's visit to Mons Barracks in Aldershot, Hampshire, for a St Patrick's Day parade."
Part of me wonders if Catherine actually said that. I guess I have a hard time believing anything from the Daily Mail without proof (e.g. video footage).
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:54 PM
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What she said was that she would like a boy and William wanted a girl which is very different. And there is no problem IMo in her saying that. Next week it might be the other way round!

I think she is trying to draw a line under the mistake made a week ago when it was thought that she said she was definitely expecting a girl. The fact that is was proven that she didn't say that did not make all of the papers. This way she is making it clear that public ally they do not know. Anything she said will have been agreed with William.
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Old 03-17-2013, 07:56 PM
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The point regarding Catholics is very valid, and most Catholics would likely either convert or wish to raise their children Catholic, in which case they wouldn't be eligible for a place in the succession.

However, we have seen cases where Catholics who haven't converted have raised their children as Anglicans - the Princess Michael being such a person. Her children are in the line of succession because they're not Catholic, but her husband isn't because he's married to a Catholic. It seems to me that this attempt at reforming the law isn't necessarily about putting a Catholic on the throne as it is about addressing issues like that. What makes Prince Michael less eligible for the throne than the Duke of Kent (whose wife converted) or Lord Frederick (whose mother is Catholic)?
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:16 PM
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Honestly I dont believe a word he said. I think Kate wouldn't confide that info after what happened with all the 'd' thing IMO
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:36 PM
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They'd be better off with a boy. A little girl might end up in a subconscious recreation of the William-Diana parent child relationship which by all accounts was not the healthiest of relationships.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:39 PM
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I would believe him for 4 reasons:

1. He was in a line with other soldiers either side who could hear what was going on, as could the officer accompanying Catherine. He wouldn't dare lie about something the wife of his Colonel has said. This is the army, not the general public.

2. He'd be on a charge if he lied

3. It is the sort of question that she is now more prepared to be asked and would answer in an open and honest way but which did not compromise the situation.

4. He's a bloke
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:45 PM
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They'd be better off with a boy. A little girl might end up in a subconscious recreation of the William-Diana parent child relationship which by all accounts was not the healthiest of relationships.
I highly doubt William's gender contributed to that relationship. The William/Diana relationship developed as the result of Diana's need to be loved and her emotional insecurity, with William (and Harry) being someone who loved her unconditionally. You could argue that the relationship would have taken form regardless of gender or that William would have been hates by his mother had he been a girl owing to the fact that a female Wales would have gotten the love from Charles that Diana believed was owed to her.

Regardless of the Cambridge baby's gender, we have no reason to believe that William or Catherine are as emotionally unstable as Diana was, or that their relationship is anything like the Diana/Charles one. Furthermore, William seems to have a good relationship with his father, stepmother, extended family, and in-laws, as does Catherine, so we have no reason to believe (at this point) that Baby Cambridge will have a relationship with either of its parents, regardless of gender, that is comparable to the William/Diana one.

Although, on that note, it is just as possible for William and his daughter to have a Diana/William type relationship as it is for Catherine and her son I have one - arguably the later is even more likely.
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I would believe him for 4 reasons:

1. He was in a line with other soldiers either side who could hear what was going on, as could the officer accompanying Catherine. He wouldn't dare lie about something the wife of his Colonel has said. This is the army, not the general public.

2. He'd be on a charge if he lied

3. It is the sort of question that she is now more prepared to be asked and would answer in an open and honest way but which did not compromise the situation.

4. He's a bloke
I love #4. I would also toss in a 5. Saying such a thing definitely counter the "daughter" rumours.
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They'd be better off with a boy. A little girl might end up in a subconscious recreation of the William-Diana parent child relationship which by all accounts was not the healthiest of relationships.
*facepalm*

The situations are completely dissimilar and I doubt the gender of the child will matter in the slightest when it comes to how that child is parented.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:59 PM
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They'd be better off with a boy. A little girl might end up in a subconscious recreation of the William-Diana parent child relationship which by all accounts was not the healthiest of relationships.
This is phyco babble at its worst. Projecting one individuals problems on a child to be and a relationship that is in its formulative stage. This is not helpful, positive or accurate.

Just deal with the happy future event between a couple who obviously care for each other very much, and will love their child.
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James is the given name of Viscount Severn, William's first cousin who is really close in age to Baby Cambridge.

Is it normal for grandparents/great-grandparents to be godparents?
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Actually The House of Lords Constitution Committee denied the governments plan to fast track to bill citing that the bill was of constitutional significance and could have unintended consequence. So everything indicates the baby will be born before new laws are put into place.
that's ok. It will happen before long. Her Majesty set things up to allow this baby girl to be a HRH and a Princess at birth and despite nay sayers i see in her future the title Duchess of Cornwall and then Princess of Wales. Lastly, the title Her Majesty, the Queen. I know what will be said by me stating this but thats ok we have years to rewrite the laws that will allow this to happen. ;-) .
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The bill on its 3rd reading in the Lords. So once it gets passed that it will go through parliamentary ping pong.

Succession to the Crown Bill 2012-13 — UK Parliament

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