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Old 12-05-2010, 04:22 AM
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ZONK, as always you expressed my thought exactly. At this point people seem to be beliving in everything that is written! (probably due to the lack of information)
But, for me, most of these stuff it's sooo clearly pure random bulls**t.
But it's normal that there is not much Information on the Wedding. yet. At the beginning of this years there was also not much Information about Crown Princess Victoria's Wedding. It comes most in the last 6-8 weeks before the Wedding. The only difference was that in Sweden the Press was not having rumours about the Wedding all the time since the engagement.
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Old 12-05-2010, 08:43 AM
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I agree with Zonk and Madame Royale, some people's nitpicking just gets tiring.

And like I said before: it's not the engagement ring's fault that the marriage of the (1st) bearer didn't work out.
Now it has the chance to be a prelude to a succesful marriage. Some people should dust off their prejudice, imo.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:39 AM
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The press also reported that Snoop Dog would perform at the wedding. From the various British royal weddings I have seen, there have been readings not speeches.

Again, I can say it until I am blue in the face (not directed towards just you MRSJ) but are we at the point that we are believing everything that is printed in the British tabloids about this wedding?
You're right :) my source is the DM so I should always keep that in mind- lol.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:44 AM
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And like I said before: it's not the engagement ring's fault that the marriage of the (1st) bearer didn't work out.
Now it has the chance to be a prelude to a succesful marriage. Some people should dust off their prejudice, imo.


True- My engagement ring is from my parents marriage (who divorced) because it's a family heirloom and my marriage is wonderful. I think it's romantic and sweet William gave her the ring and she probably doesn't mind and is just happy to be marrying the man she loves :)
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Old 12-05-2010, 12:52 PM
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I am with you completely.

I no longer believe that William and Charles are all that close at all as William seems to simply want to remember Diana with no regard to his father's feelings.

What father will say 'No' to a son who says "I want to remember my dead mother this way"? But that doesn't mean that the father isn't being hurt by the son's actions - particularly given the completely acrimonious manner of their split and Diana's determined efforts to destroy Charles.

I too have no interest in these nuptials but I do feel very sorry for Kate being in love with her prince who is bringing a third person into their relationship.

As for the ring - we really don't know how Kate feels but I can picture the scene - he has proposed and she has said yes and then he produces his dead mother's ring and asks her if it is all right to use that ring - of course she won't say 'no' but how she really feels - we probably will never know but 'joy' isn't what I would be saying.
I think it's sad and rather disturbing that people want to interject their narrow minded thinking into the sentiments behind this ring and instead make it into something sick and deranged.

Prince Charles has a very close relationship with his sons by all accounts and appearances. To take this one thing and blow it out of proportion by saying it shows that William has no sensitivity to his father's feelings and proves that their relationship isn't that close is completely ridiculous. Prince Charles is an adult, not a child. He more than anyone knows what Diana meant to his sons and how important it is to them to honor her. She may not have been the love of his life, but she was most definitely a warm and loving mother to his children, and helped shape the men they have become.

Prince William has made it clear that he discussed the engagement with his father and received his blessing. I can't imagine William doing anything to purposely hurt his father, and if he felt that his father would be upset or object to the ring being given to Kate I doubt William would have done so.

In regards to the comments about the proposal....only William and Kate know what was said at that moment and how the ring was presented. I imagine the reality was quite different from the tacky scenario that you described.

Seriously...the malice and negativity is getting old.
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:08 PM
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At the end of the day, I think we all need to remember that the comments we make or the judgements we create are based on thoughts we have that come from seeing a tiny fraction of the lives of these people. A photograph of William and Kate accounts for less than a second of their lives, yet stories, ideas, thoughts, rumours, assumptions and even lies are created based on that moment. It's all guess work as far as I am concerned. Collectively over the years we will have seen just a few hours of the reality of their lives and I think we seem to completely forget that William and Kate's discussions, talks, day to day activities and the developement of their relationship is a real 24/7 entity and not just a TV show that comes on whenever the next story or idea is provided for us.

That damn engagement ring, bautiful as it is, is just an overpriced collection of carved rocks and hammered metal, it has no curse, the components of it has a history that goes back far longer than 30 years and Kate was not forced by William nor indeed the spirit of his mother to wear the thing.
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Old 12-05-2010, 03:34 PM
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:09 PM
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i think Kate may have had reservations, but knowing how William felt about his mother (or how any man would feel about a loving dead parent), she just said yes. she probably thought "oh its no big deal, it makes him happy so why not? "
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:19 PM
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i think Kate may have had reservations, but knowing how William felt about his mother (or how any man would feel about a loving dead parent), she just said yes. she probably thought "oh its no big deal, it makes him happy so why not? "
Personally I think that Kate would have felt honored to be given something that until William met her, was the most important woman in his life. There is something very intimate about giving and receiving something that is not only beautiful, but has meaning behind it. If anything, if it was me, a ring of that sort would make me feel even closer to my betrothed.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:23 PM
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I agree with Osipi, and it is a beautiful ring. I think I would appreciate it alot more then a store bought ring.
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:30 PM
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^ a store bought ring can be as beautiful, or even more beautiful/ precious than this one. Its the meanign behind it that would either make kate have reservations/ or feel very good. We cant ever know what she feels, but we can only guess and give our own opinions:)
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Old 12-05-2010, 04:47 PM
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I too think that Kate is honored that William would entrust such a well known and (to William at least) sentimental item to her. The ring has a turbulent history to us...but to William, it is the jewel that graced his beloved mother's finger for many years.

As for Charles feeling hurt...how can he? Is it not known that after the divorce he and Diana achieved a measure of peace between them and even managed to conduct themselves as friends? I saw the expressions on Charles' face during the funeral, and though most of his emotion was centered on his sons grief, he himself was grieving. He didn't hate Diana. There was a great deal of animosity between them for a time, but I seriously doubt it escalated to hatred. He was not happy about her death and I can very well imagine he wishes she were still here to celebrate this milestone in their son's life. Anything that William would like to do to allow her in some way to be a part of his wedding would surely have his blessing.
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Old 12-05-2010, 06:36 PM
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I too think that Kate is honored that William would entrust such a well known and (to William at least) sentimental item to her. The ring has a turbulent history to us...but to William, it is the jewel that graced his beloved mother's finger for many years.

As for Charles feeling hurt...how can he? Is it not known that after the divorce he and Diana achieved a measure of peace between them and even managed to conduct themselves as friends? I saw the expressions on Charles' face during the funeral, and though most of his emotion was centered on his sons grief, he himself was grieving. He didn't hate Diana. There was a great deal of animosity between them for a time, but I seriously doubt it escalated to hatred. He was not happy about her death and I can very well imagine he wishes she were still here to celebrate this milestone in their son's life. Anything that William would like to do to allow her in some way to be a part of his wedding would surely have his blessing.
Well said Nikki. It's pretty well known that they were on better terms with eachother at the time of her death, and were both moving on with their lives. Prince Charles was very affected by Diana's death. This was the mother of his children.
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Old 12-05-2010, 09:01 PM
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^ a store bought ring can be as beautiful, or even more beautiful/ precious than this one. Its the meanign behind it that would either make kate have reservations/ or feel very good. We cant ever know what she feels, but we can only guess and give our own opinions:)
I agree. I frankly don't like the look of that ring and never have. I don't wear blue (she says, sitting here in blue jeans...but that's different), and I wouldn't want a huge chunk of sapphire on my finger. We all have different tastes and different opinions on the issue, and they are informed by our points of view about several different factors, but the only opinions that matter are those held by William and Kate.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:32 PM
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I agree. I frankly don't like the look of that ring and never have. I don't wear blue (she says, sitting here in blue jeans...but that's different), and I wouldn't want a huge chunk of sapphire on my finger. We all have different tastes and different opinions on the issue, and they are informed by our points of view about several different factors, but the only opinions that matter are those held by William and Kate.
The ring is pretty, and I do love deep blue sapphires. However, I would not like it as an engagement ring. I'm a diamond girl myself.

What people seem to forget in this back and forth discussion about the ring, is that Prince Charles did not present Diana an engagement ring when he proposed. He commissioned Garrard Jewelers to bring a selection of ready made rings for Diana to choose at some point after she accepted and she chose the Sapphire. As we know now, to Prince Charles the ring presented a contract....not a symbol of his love and commitment to her.

To some people this ring represents something sacred of Diana or a symbol of a failed fairytale. To William, its a symbol of happy memories with his mother. The ring is being given with the right intentions this time around. It's a symbol of William's love and commitement to Kate, and perhaps it's also his way of showing her that he knows his mother is smiling down on them with approval of who he chose to spend his life with.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:05 AM
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What people seem to forget in this back and forth discussion about the ring, is that Prince Charles did not present Diana an engagement ring when he proposed. He commissioned Garrard Jewelers to bring a selection of ready made rings for Diana to choose at some point after she accepted and she chose the Sapphire. As we know now, to Prince Charles the ring presented a contract....not a symbol of his love and commitment to her.

We don't know anything of the sort.

What we know is that Charles and Diana entered into a marriage and that both of them had reservations during the week leading up to the marriage - Charles expressed his reservations to his parents and Diana to her sisters. Both sides put the concerns down to pre-wedding nerves.

Some people like to believe that he had no intentions of keeping his marriage vows but unless you are actually Charles you do not know what he intentions were on his wedding day. Charles has never said that he had no intention of breaking his vows - the exact opposite of course - that they both tried to make the marriage work.

What Charles did is what most men do - allow the girl to choose their own engagement ring. Diana then chose the biggest ring of those sent - or so it has been reported but she got to choose the ring and no one else. Kate didn't.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:06 AM
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The two had been dating for over 8 years and had discussed marriage prior to the proposal. Seeing that William has been insistent that he and Catherine and her family be involved/included in wedding planning (instead leaving it all to the court officials), I'm sure he made sure that Catherine was consulted about and comfortable getting Diana's ring. Regardless of what we might think of superstition or Catherine being compared to Diana, it only matters that William wanted to give the ring to Catherine and she accepted it. If she really had been uncomfortable about wearing that ring, they could have gotten a new one in the time between the proposal and the announcement. It's not like a jeweler wouldn't do a rush job for the most anticipated engagement announcement of the decade.
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Old 12-06-2010, 12:19 AM
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Let's not make this thread about what went wrong with Charles and Diana. Its not about them.
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We don't know anything of the sort.

What we know is that Charles and Diana entered into a marriage and that both of them had reservations during the week leading up to the marriage - Charles expressed his reservations to his parents and Diana to her sisters. Both sides put the concerns down to pre-wedding nerves.

Some people like to believe that he had no intentions of keeping his marriage vows but unless you are actually Charles you do not know what he intentions were on his wedding day. Charles has never said that he had no intention of breaking his vows - the exact opposite of course - that they both tried to make the marriage work.

What Charles did is what most men do - allow the girl to choose their own engagement ring. Diana then chose the biggest ring of those sent - or so it has been reported but she got to choose the ring and no one else. Kate didn't.
My point was that this time the ring is being given out of love. I didn't choose my engagement ring either, and I have only met a few women who have. I have known women that have received family engagement rings and although it was not their particular taste, they loved it due to the sentiment behind it and what it meant to their future husband's to have them wear it. Who knows...if they have a son, perhaps this will become a tradition.
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