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Old 05-12-2011, 11:56 AM
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Maybe if she was married in something like this or a burka people would stop talking.
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This lady, Isabelle, Kate's dress is more like hers than Grace, fosho, but I very much doubt , Catherine knows her existence . I'm a royalist follower I didn't have any idea who she was. Also, no hard feelings but her design looks cheap, specially the lace. pity! for a face like that.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:08 PM
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Both dresses in question might be viewed as an interpretation of the dress worn by the late Grace, Princess of Monaco. Unlike the modern brides, the late Grace, Princess of Monaco, had an ethereal aristocratic beauty unspoilt by surgical enhancements as in the case of Isabella, Princess de Ligne, or plebeian tan as in case of Duchess of Cambridge.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:37 PM
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I must admit, even if I really don't approve (like she needs it!) her weight lost, it actually "didn't harm" her in that wedding gown at all!
That bodice with lace can be tricky for someone with a fuller figure. But she was able to be classy still.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:52 PM
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Im glad she didnt go for such a long train.What do you think about REALLY long trains?Would you do it?
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:03 PM
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Both dresses in question might be viewed as an interpretation of the dress worn by the late Grace, Princess of Monaco. Unlike the modern brides, the late Grace, Princess of Monaco, had an ethereal aristocratic beauty unspoilt by surgical enhancements as in the case of Isabella, Princess de Ligne, or plebeian tan as in case of Duchess of Cambridge.
And how do you know that? I find that that comes across as if you feel lofty
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:20 PM
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How on earth can it be possible that opinions on whether or not two wedding dresses are similar/copied/an interpretation of the one worn by Princess Grace suddenly result in unkind and frankly unneccessary comparisons between the natural beauty of Princess Grace and the (apparently) un-natural look of the Duchess of Cambridge. Yes, Princess Grace was an amazingly and naturally beautiful woman and yes her dress was a unique masterpiece that no copy could ever emulate. So could we not be content with those facts, without maligning the future British queen?
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:23 PM
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The dress is beautiful but you have to have her body to carry it. Unfortunately that's not my case.
I couldn't wear Pippa's dress in a million years!

However, I do believe that Kate's gown design could be worn by brides of all heights and weights (even into plus sizing). Very versatile design.
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Old 05-12-2011, 01:27 PM
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Yes, agree Kitty. The that bodice V neck is a great asset for any size, especially if you are bigger. Just the lace has to be well done.

there is clearly a structure under the dress and it's one of the thing I most like it. It made her proportions really nice, giving a Victorian look to it. If the dress gets to be in display I hope to see how it "works"!
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No matter what style Kate had chosen, someone would compare it to someone else's dress.
How can anything be completely original when fashion has been in existence for centuries?

Kate selected a beautiful, appropriate dress and looked wonderful wearing it, imo. What does it matter how many other lace dresses are in existence?
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Yes, agree Kitty. The that bodice V neck is a great asset for any size, especially if you are bigger. Just the lace has to be well done.

there is clearly a structure under the dress and it's one of the thing I most like it. It made her proportions really nice, giving a Victorian look to it. If the dress gets to be in display I hope to see how it "works"!
I agree, Mia. It's always fascinating to go behind fashion to see the mechanics. The gown fit Kate so well, I wonder if it was a true couture creation where the cloth was cut on her body without a pattern.
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Both dresses in question might be viewed as an interpretation of the dress worn by the late Grace, Princess of Monaco. Unlike the modern brides, the late Grace, Princess of Monaco, had an ethereal aristocratic beauty unspoilt by surgical enhancements as in the case of Isabella, Princess de Ligne, or plebeian tan as in case of Duchess of Cambridge.
Plebeian tan? Now granted my knowledge of ancient Rome isn't what it should be, but weren't the plebes basically the lower class? Are you trying to say that if a woman has a tan, whether naturally from the sun or from a spray nozzle, she's lower-class? I think that's a rather insulting to thing to say about someone, if true, regardless of whether she's the future Queen or your next-door neighbor.

There's no questioning that the late Princess Grace was a beautiful woman, but having a tan, does not make a person ugly or less beautiful.
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I thought the V neck was ok (if a little low IMHO). I had one on my wedding dress, way way back when they usually came with sleeves of some sort or kind, strapless was very daring way way back then! I thought the Duchess was beautiful in her own way and as long as HRH thinks that as well, who are we to argue??
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Maybe if she was married in something like this or a burka people would stop talking.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll...xmqwo1_400.jpg

This lady, Isabelle, Kate's dress is more like hers than Grace, fosho, but I very much doubt , Catherine knows her existence . I'm a royalist follower I didn't have any idea who she was. Also, no hard feelings but her design looks cheap, specially the lace. pity! for a face like that.
I really don't see how the example of the link above fits into this. Or is that supposed to be a put down of south asian brides who wear red wedding dresses?

The comparisons between the wedding dresses should be taken as just that, comparisons. I don't think most people, including the press, are suggesting Catherine copied someone else's dress. Why on earth would a bride in her position do that? Some of the other royal brides, like Marie of Denmark, for example, had their wedding dresses compared to Grace Kelly's and so on. In fact many royal brides have worn similar dresses, not because they were copying each other but because they usually stick to the same traditional and classic designs.
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I wonder what would have happened if Catherine showed up in
her sister's gown as her wedding gown!!!!!

I find the more you see of Catherine's wedding gown, the more beautiful it appears. Such details even the back is amazing.
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Old 05-13-2011, 12:18 AM
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I really don't see how the example of the link above fits into this. Or is that supposed to be a put down of south asian brides who wear red wedding dresses?

The comparisons between the wedding dresses should be taken as just that, comparisons. I don't think most people, including the press, are suggesting Catherine copied someone else's dress. Why on earth would a bride in her position do that? Some of the other royal brides, like Marie of Denmark, for example, had their wedding dresses compared to Grace Kelly's and so on. In fact many royal brides have worn similar dresses, not because they were copying each other but because they usually stick to the same traditional and classic designs.
What? no, I'm not trying to put down anyone else' culture. What I was trying to say it's that if she had appeard is something so completely different from what was speculated, then we could actually say "What a Surprise! This is totally different from what I expected and totally new to RF" . Sorry for not using the right term, but I am not aware of the actual name of the traditional Indian bridal gowns.

anyways, I recently saw a video of Tim Gunn saying that for a moment he considered that Catherine's dress would be much like the one used by Pippa, since she so often chose clean designs, so I cannot tell you how pleased I was once she went into that car and some lace could be seen . Watching a BBC video of her arriving at WA and finally revealing the dress and dress' designer, one of the guest correspondent reactions was similar to mine, yeay!!! I always laugh when I re-watched it!
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No matter what style Kate had chosen, someone would compare it to someone else's dress.
How can anything be completely original when fashion has been in existence for centuries? Kate selected a beautiful, appropriate dress and looked wonderful wearing it, imo. What does it matter how many other lace dresses are in existence?

Here, HERE! First it was Grace Kelly's dress, then some woman who got married in the 1950s, then an Italien-Belgian princess, then some Wash. DC socialite who claims to have purchased the dress at Kleinfield's in NYC in 1991. So it's a very classic style that's been around the block a few times! It's what Kate wanted! Why should we take that away from her? She looked good/her best on her wedding day which is what every woman strives for.
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Great comparison photos of Isabella Orsini and Catherine's dress, the similarity is indeed striking: (more so than with Grace Kelly's dress which had a completely different neckline and waist)

The striking similarity between Kate's Royal wedding dress and gown worn by Berlusconi's Princess goddaughter | Mail Online

Despite all the copycat claims, I don't think Catherine's dress was a copy. It was beautiful but I'm surprised that Sarah Burton did not come up with anything a bit more original. I guess Catherine must really have been keen on the design.
This post had a great comparison of Orsini's dress and Catherine's. I do not see this as a copycat dress, however I do think the comparison illustrates what in my opinion is the greatest detractor to Catherine's wedding gown. ----Her veil and hairstyle.---- This neckline looks better if it is not covered in long hair. Her long hair detracts from the beauty of the gown in my opinion. It competes/fights with the neckline. A higher neckline is pointless if it can't be seen. She really should have worn it up. Other examples to compare would be Princess Maxima's, Princess Margaret's, and Princess Anne's dresses. The necklines are not in competition with HAIR.
I really think Catherine's hair is pretty when down as it was the day of her engagement annnouncement, but I did not see the point of half up and half down. I think William would have "recognized" her with hair up or down!

Also, her veil was too limp. It had no body and made her silhouette flat on top. - Not attractive. The tulle needed more body and/or maybe to be gathered. There was no height. Once the veil/blusher was flipped back behind her head it practically disappeared. It might as well have been nonexistent. Lastly, the veil was too short. It should have been longer to extend the line from the top of her head to connect with the line of the dress. It was a weird length. It looks like an informal veil combined with formal gown. Also, a long veil also adds drama and PRESENCE.

That to me was the factor that kept her wedding gown from having a WOW effect. The whole hair/veil arrangement and design was just too informal and FLAT for the occasion.

But, no one consulted me. LOL
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the greatest detractor to Catherine's wedding gown. ----Her veil and hairstyle.---- This neckline looks better if it is not covered in long hair. Her long hair detracts from the beauty of the gown in my opinion. It competes/fights with the neckline. A higher neckline is pointless if it can't be seen. She really should have worn it up. [...] Also, her veil was too limp. It had no body and made her silhouette flat on top. - Not attractive. The tulle needed more body and/or maybe to be gathered. There was no height. Once the veil/blusher was flipped back behind her head it practically disappeared.
I totally agree with you!! Hair and veil were the things that prevented me saying "WOW" to the whole ensemble. You explained it very well
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I doubt that anyone looked at William's feet, but did you notice he was wearing spurs? Love the detail.
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I doubt that anyone looked at William's feet, but did you notice he was wearing spurs? Love the detail.
I noticed, it gives a very regal feeling to me.
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