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Old 03-20-2017, 03:27 PM
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But on the other hand the marriages of Prince Wilhelm Karl to Armgard von Veltheim and his son Oscar to Augustge Zimmermann von Siefaerth where both approved as dynastic.
Why make differences? Because they where not the first in the line of succession?
I browsed some of your posts regarding Ehrengard von Reden and saw that her marriage didn't count as her husband renounced succession rights before their marriage, so at the time of his marriage to Ehregard he didn't exist as a dynast and didn't have to require permisson. He had been previously married to Waltraut Freydag. So, it was not a matter of von Reden family being treated low , but a matter of previous marriage that resulted succession renouncement, which was standing.

Similar case with Prince Emich Karl zu Leiningen. He renounced his rights and based on that not even his son with Countess Isabelle von und zu Egloffstein can't succeed. If there wasn't his second marriage, a marriage with Isabelle would be treated equal.

I have also read somewhere that Prussia doesn't have exact House Law, which means that everything is left to the Head of the House and his decision.

Noble(non mediatized) ladies treated equal:

- Countess Ina Maria von Bassewitz-Levetzow-Rupin

- Lady Brigid Guinness

- Countess Nina zu Reventlow

- Countess Antoinette Hoyos von und zu Stichsenstein

- Armgard von Veltheim

- Auguste Zimmermann von Siefaerth

- Lady Hermione Stuart


Noble ladies haven't been treated equal:

- Maria Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden

- Adelheid von Bockum genannt Dolffs

- Dorothea von Salviati

- Ehrengard von Reden

- Honorable Victoria Mancroft
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:03 PM
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I browsed some of your posts regarding Ehrengard von Reden and saw that her marriage didn't count as her husband renounced succession rights before their marriage, so at the time of his marriage to Ehregard he didn't exist as a dynast and didn't have to require permisson. He had been previously married to Waltraut Freydag. So, it was not a matter of von Reden family being treated low , but a matter of previous marriage that resulted succession renouncement, which was standing.

Similar case with Prince Emich Karl zu Leiningen. He renounced his rights and based on that not even his son with Countess Isabelle von und zu Egloffstein can't succeed. If there wasn't his second marriage, a marriage with Isabelle would be treated equal.

That is what i wrote in Post 18 of this Thread.

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Noble(non mediatized) ladies treated equal:

- Countess Ina Maria von Bassewitz-Levetzow-Rupin

- Lady Brigid Guinness

- Countess Nina zu Reventlow

- Countess Antoinette Hoyos von und zu Stichsenstein

- Armgard von Veltheim

- Auguste Zimmermann von Siefaerth

- Lady Hermione Stuart


Noble ladies haven't been treated equal:

- Maria Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden

- Adelheid von Bockum genannt Dolffs

- Dorothea von Salviati

- Ehrengard von Reden

- Honorable Victoria Mancroft
From the one who have not been accepted as equal only Adelheid von Bockum and Hon. Victoria Mancroft married when Prince Louis Ferdinand was the Head of the House. The others married in earlier. And Prince Friedrich Wilhelm was no dynast anymore at the time of said marriage.
I still have my doubts that Prince Louis Ferdinand would have accepted a von Reden as an equal spouse for his Heir. I have also read that it was an exception that he accepted the marriage of Prince Christian Sigismund and Countess Nina zu Reventlow as equal.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:16 PM
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I still have my doubts that Prince Louis Ferdinand would have accepted a von Reden as an equal spouse for his Heir. I have also read that it was an exception that he accepted the marriage of Prince Christian Sigismund and Countess Nina zu Reventlow as equal.
Well, if he accepted Zimmermann von Siefart as equal, don't see why wouldn't he accept a von Reden, whose nobility is ancient compared to Zimmermann von Siefart, for example.

On the other hand if we compare Bassewitz-Levetzow and Reventlow families in general, I must say that Reventlow family is far more grander.

If we compare their ancestry we see that Nina is legitimate descendant of many grand families such as Castell-Remlingen, Stolberg-Stolberg, Hessen-Darmstadt, Saxony etc., while Ina's grandest ancestry is through illegitimate line of Duke Wilhelm von Braunschweig (1568-1636).

So, if Ina was treated equal, why wouldn't Nina, whose ancestry is grander? :P Just a thought.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:08 PM
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Well, if he accepted Zimmermann von Siefart as equal, don't see why wouldn't he accept a von Reden, whose nobility is ancient compared to Zimmermann von Siefart, for example.

On the other hand if we compare Bassewitz-Levetzow and Reventlow families in general, I must say that Reventlow family is far more grander.

If we compare their ancestry we see that Nina is legitimate descendant of many grand families such as Castell-Remlingen, Stolberg-Stolberg, Hessen-Darmstadt, Saxony etc., while Ina's grandest ancestry is through illegitimate line of Duke Wilhelm von Braunschweig (1568-1636).

So, if Ina was treated equal, why wouldn't Nina, whose ancestry is grander? :P Just a thought.

That is why i think there differences made regarding equal spouses for the Heir and those further down in the succession.
As for Ina von Basseitz-Levetzow the marriage the marriage was not dynastic at first and only after several years recognized as such.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:30 PM
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That is why i think there differences made regarding equal spouses for the Heir and those further down in the succession.
I agree with you on this.


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As for Ina von Basseitz-Levetzow the marriage the marriage was not dynastic at first and only after several years recognized as such.
True, but still recognized as dynastic. So, why not applying same criteria for marriage with Countess Nina zu Reventlow which occurred decades after this recognition as equal?!? :P

Just loud thinking. :P
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:39 PM
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True, but still recognized as dynastic. So, why not applying same criteria for marriage with Countess Nina zu Reventlow which occurred decades after this recognition as equal?!? :P

Just loud thinking. :P
Because it was a different person who made the decision. And probably because the rules had been not as strict anymore then in 1914.
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Old 03-20-2017, 06:47 PM
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Because it was a different person who made the decision. And probably because the rules had been not as strict anymore then in 1914.
True, but considering that, at that time, the rules were much stricter and that's why i think that if Ina-Marie was treated equal at that time, why not Nina in more recent times.

Again, if we compare families and recent ancestry of two Countesses, Nina, imo, has stronger claim.
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Princess Stephanie Sibylla of Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha (b.31 January 1972) [eldest of three children and only daughter of Andreas, Prince of Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha (b.1943) & his wife Carin, nee Dabelstein (b.1946)] is engaged to Jan Stahl; they expect to marry next year.

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Princess Mako of Akishino ( b.23 October 1991) the eldest grandchild of Emperor Akihito, is about to get engaged to Mr. Kei Komuro.

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Old 05-16-2017, 08:45 PM
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Prince Leopold of Salm-Horstmar (b.27 November 1982) [younger son of Prince Gustav Friedrich of Salm-Horstmar (b.1942) & his former wife Beatrice von Frankenberg und Ludwigsdorf (b.1952)] is engaged to Tia Hunjan; they plan to marry reportedly in September.

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Princess Maria Franziska of Orleans e Braganza (b.18 August 1979) [daughter of Prince Eudes of Brazil (b.1938) & his current wife Mercedes Willemsens Neves de Rocha (b.1955) will marry, as her second husband, Michael Anthony Whyte, on 15 July.

She was previously married (from 2005 to 2013) to Bernardo Almeida de Braga Ratto (b.1977) by whom she has two children: Lucas (b.2007) and Maria (b.2010)

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Prince Christian of Hannover, who will turn 32 in fifteen days [younger son of Ernst-August, Prince of Hannover (b.1955) & his first wife Chantal Hochuli (b.1954)] is engaged to his longtime girlfriend Alessandra de Osma; they will marry reportedly next year.

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Old 06-13-2017, 08:59 PM
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Prince Guy of Orleans e Braganza (b.8 October 1985) [youngest of six children of Prince Eudes of Brazil (b.1939) & fourth by his current wife Mercedes, nee Neves da Rocha (b.1955)] is engaged to Amanda Gabriel Sao Clemente de Azevedo; they plan to marry on 16 September.

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And Prince Christian of Hannover & Alessandra de Osma - in March 2018, either in Peru or in Capri.


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Old 06-25-2017, 06:18 AM
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The engagement was announced on 22 June 2017 between H.S.H. Prince Casimir zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn, second son of Fürst Alexander and Fürstin Gabriela zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn, and Miss Alana Bunte.

The couple will marry in Sayn next year.
It will be Prince Casimir's second marriage; he was previously married to Corinna Larsen, by whom he has one son.

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Tunku Tun Aminah Maimunah Iskandariah, Princess of Johor (b.8 April 1986) [second of five living children and only daughter of the current Sultan of Johor, Sultan Ibrahim Ismail (b.1958) & his wife Raja Zarith Sofiah Sultan Idris Shah (b.1959) {herself daughter of Sultan Idris Shah II of Perak (1924-1984) & his wife Raja Mazwin Raja Arif Shah}] is engaged to Dennis Muhammad Abdullah (b.1 May 1989 as Dennis Verbaas); they plan to marry on 14 August.

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The engagement was announced between Prince Philip of Serbia (b.15 January 1982) [one of younger twin sons of Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia (b.1945) & his former wife, Princess Gloria of Orleans-Braganza (b.1946)] and Danica Marinkovic (b.17 August 1986) [daughter of Milan Marinković Cile & his wife Beba] on 24 July.

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The engagement was announced between Prince Philip of Serbia (b.15 January 1982) [one of younger twin sons of Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia (b.1945) & his former wife, Princess Gloria of Orleans-Braganza (b.1946)] and Danica Marinkovic (b.17 August 1986) [daughter of Milan Marinković Cile & his wife Beba] on 24 July.

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Update: They will marry in the Cathedral of St. Michael the Archangel in Belgrade, Serbia, 7 October.

The engagement was announced between Nicholas Medforth-Mills (b.1 April 1985) [son of Princess Elena of Romania (b.1950) & her late first husband Robin Medforth-Mills (1942-2002)] and Alina Maria Binder (b.26 January 1988) [daughter of Heinz Binder & his wife Rodica Iancu] on 21 August; they will marry in summer 2018.

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An update:
Prince Guy of Orleans e Braganza & his fiancee Amanda Gabriel Sao Clemente de Azevedo will marry not on 16, but on 30 September.

The religious wedding of Princess Marie-Gabrielle of Nassau and Antonius Wilms will take place on 2 September.

Princess Maria Thereza of Orleans e Braganza & her fiance Guillerme dos Santos Zanker will marry next Saturday in Jardins do Alto, Alto da Boa Vista, Rio de Janeiro (Brazil)

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Duchess Sophie of Württemberg is engaged to marry Maximilien d'Andigne

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From the one who have not been accepted as equal only Adelheid von Bockum and Hon. Victoria Mancroft married when Prince Louis Ferdinand was the Head of the House. The others married in earlier. And Prince Friedrich Wilhelm was no dynast anymore at the time of said marriage.
I still have my doubts that Prince Louis Ferdinand would have accepted a von Reden as an equal spouse for his Heir. I have also read that it was an exception that he accepted the marriage of Prince Christian Sigismund and Countess Nina zu Reventlow as equal.

I realize this post was written nearly a decade ago ... but must add: Hubertus' marriage to Maria Anna von Humboldt Dachroeden was accepted as equal. The marriage ended after a brief time because Maria Anna, who was a close friend of Hubertus' sister, Cecilie, was in love with Prince Ernst August of Hanover. She gave birth to his son in December 1943. His parents would not allow this marriage - because she was divorced and a mere baroness - and she had been married to Victoria Luise's nephew.
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:04 AM
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but must add: Hubertus' marriage to Maria Anna von Humboldt Dachroeden was accepted as equal.
Was the marriage treated equal from the start or ad hoc?
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Prince Konstantin of Bavaria (b.8 November 1986) [youngest of four children of Prince Leopold of Bavaria (b.1943) & his wife Ursula, nee Mohlenkamp (b.1947)] got engaged to Deniz Kaya this year.They will marry civilly probably in December this year and religiously in May next year.

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Crown Prince Nikola of Montenegro (b.7 July 1944) [only child of Michael (1908-1986) who assumed the title of King of Montenegro & his wife Genevieve Prigent {with whom he divorced when Nikola was five} (1909-1990)] got engaged to Nalini Errate this year.

He was previously married (from 1976) to Francine Navarro (1950-2008) by whom he has two children: Altinai (27-10-1977) and Boris (21-1-1980) and three grandchildren: two granddaughters Milena (11-2-2008) & Antonia (DOB unknown) by Boris & his wife Veronique, nee Haillot Canas de Silva (27-7-1976) and a grandson Nikolai (30-9-2009) by Altinai & her husband Anton Martynov.

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Prince Christian of Hannover (b1 June 1985) [younger son of Ernst-August, Prince of Hannover (b.1955) & his first wife Chantal Hochuli (b.1954)] is engaged to his longtime girlfriend Alessandra de Osma (b. reportedly 1988); they will marry civilly this month (probably somewhere in Europe) and religiously in March (probably on 17 March; it's Saturday) next year in Lima.

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