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Old 03-20-2017, 02:27 PM
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But on the other hand the marriages of Prince Wilhelm Karl to Armgard von Veltheim and his son Oscar to Augustge Zimmermann von Siefaerth where both approved as dynastic.
Why make differences? Because they where not the first in the line of succession?
I browsed some of your posts regarding Ehrengard von Reden and saw that her marriage didn't count as her husband renounced succession rights before their marriage, so at the time of his marriage to Ehregard he didn't exist as a dynast and didn't have to require permisson. He had been previously married to Waltraut Freydag. So, it was not a matter of von Reden family being treated low , but a matter of previous marriage that resulted succession renouncement, which was standing.

Similar case with Prince Emich Karl zu Leiningen. He renounced his rights and based on that not even his son with Countess Isabelle von und zu Egloffstein can't succeed. If there wasn't his second marriage, a marriage with Isabelle would be treated equal.

I have also read somewhere that Prussia doesn't have exact House Law, which means that everything is left to the Head of the House and his decision.

Noble(non mediatized) ladies treated equal:

- Countess Ina Maria von Bassewitz-Levetzow-Rupin

- Lady Brigid Guinness

- Countess Nina zu Reventlow

- Countess Antoinette Hoyos von und zu Stichsenstein

- Armgard von Veltheim

- Auguste Zimmermann von Siefaerth

- Lady Hermione Stuart


Noble ladies haven't been treated equal:

- Maria Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden

- Adelheid von Bockum genannt Dolffs

- Dorothea von Salviati

- Ehrengard von Reden

- Honorable Victoria Mancroft
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:03 PM
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I browsed some of your posts regarding Ehrengard von Reden and saw that her marriage didn't count as her husband renounced succession rights before their marriage, so at the time of his marriage to Ehregard he didn't exist as a dynast and didn't have to require permisson. He had been previously married to Waltraut Freydag. So, it was not a matter of von Reden family being treated low , but a matter of previous marriage that resulted succession renouncement, which was standing.

Similar case with Prince Emich Karl zu Leiningen. He renounced his rights and based on that not even his son with Countess Isabelle von und zu Egloffstein can't succeed. If there wasn't his second marriage, a marriage with Isabelle would be treated equal.

That is what i wrote in Post 18 of this Thread.

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Noble(non mediatized) ladies treated equal:

- Countess Ina Maria von Bassewitz-Levetzow-Rupin

- Lady Brigid Guinness

- Countess Nina zu Reventlow

- Countess Antoinette Hoyos von und zu Stichsenstein

- Armgard von Veltheim

- Auguste Zimmermann von Siefaerth

- Lady Hermione Stuart


Noble ladies haven't been treated equal:

- Maria Anna von Humboldt-Dachroeden

- Adelheid von Bockum genannt Dolffs

- Dorothea von Salviati

- Ehrengard von Reden

- Honorable Victoria Mancroft
From the one who have not been accepted as equal only Adelheid von Bockum and Hon. Victoria Mancroft married when Prince Louis Ferdinand was the Head of the House. The others married in earlier. And Prince Friedrich Wilhelm was no dynast anymore at the time of said marriage.
I still have my doubts that Prince Louis Ferdinand would have accepted a von Reden as an equal spouse for his Heir. I have also read that it was an exception that he accepted the marriage of Prince Christian Sigismund and Countess Nina zu Reventlow as equal.
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Old 03-20-2017, 04:16 PM
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I still have my doubts that Prince Louis Ferdinand would have accepted a von Reden as an equal spouse for his Heir. I have also read that it was an exception that he accepted the marriage of Prince Christian Sigismund and Countess Nina zu Reventlow as equal.
Well, if he accepted Zimmermann von Siefart as equal, don't see why wouldn't he accept a von Reden, whose nobility is ancient compared to Zimmermann von Siefart, for example.

On the other hand if we compare Bassewitz-Levetzow and Reventlow families in general, I must say that Reventlow family is far more grander.

If we compare their ancestry we see that Nina is legitimate descendant of many grand families such as Castell-Remlingen, Stolberg-Stolberg, Hessen-Darmstadt, Saxony etc., while Ina's grandest ancestry is through illegitimate line of Duke Wilhelm von Braunschweig (1568-1636).

So, if Ina was treated equal, why wouldn't Nina, whose ancestry is grander? :P Just a thought.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:08 PM
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Well, if he accepted Zimmermann von Siefart as equal, don't see why wouldn't he accept a von Reden, whose nobility is ancient compared to Zimmermann von Siefart, for example.

On the other hand if we compare Bassewitz-Levetzow and Reventlow families in general, I must say that Reventlow family is far more grander.

If we compare their ancestry we see that Nina is legitimate descendant of many grand families such as Castell-Remlingen, Stolberg-Stolberg, Hessen-Darmstadt, Saxony etc., while Ina's grandest ancestry is through illegitimate line of Duke Wilhelm von Braunschweig (1568-1636).

So, if Ina was treated equal, why wouldn't Nina, whose ancestry is grander? :P Just a thought.

That is why i think there differences made regarding equal spouses for the Heir and those further down in the succession.
As for Ina von Basseitz-Levetzow the marriage the marriage was not dynastic at first and only after several years recognized as such.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:30 PM
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That is why i think there differences made regarding equal spouses for the Heir and those further down in the succession.
I agree with you on this.


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As for Ina von Basseitz-Levetzow the marriage the marriage was not dynastic at first and only after several years recognized as such.
True, but still recognized as dynastic. So, why not applying same criteria for marriage with Countess Nina zu Reventlow which occurred decades after this recognition as equal?!? :P

Just loud thinking. :P
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:39 PM
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True, but still recognized as dynastic. So, why not applying same criteria for marriage with Countess Nina zu Reventlow which occurred decades after this recognition as equal?!? :P

Just loud thinking. :P
Because it was a different person who made the decision. And probably because the rules had been not as strict anymore then in 1914.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:47 PM
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Because it was a different person who made the decision. And probably because the rules had been not as strict anymore then in 1914.
True, but considering that, at that time, the rules were much stricter and that's why i think that if Ina-Marie was treated equal at that time, why not Nina in more recent times.

Again, if we compare families and recent ancestry of two Countesses, Nina, imo, has stronger claim.
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