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On to day 3 with another packed agenda

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The program continues the next day when, among other things, Riyadh Chamber of Commerce and business leaders Saudis will host a formal lunch of the royal couple and the two ministers and trade delegation.

Mary will have the opportunity to visit the King Khaled Foundation, a Saudi equivalent of the Mary Foundation, while Crown Prince Frederik, along with business delegation visits acquires companies within the areas of focus.

In the afternoon there will be a farewell reception at the residence of the Danish Ambassador, with a focus on Danish design and participation of guests from Denmark and business customers in Saudi Arabia."
they will also visit King Faisal Specialist Hospital and Research Center

then its off to Qatar
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That many would not shake hands was probably a given but that they should walk past her and totally ignore her was certainly not.

I find this behaviour nothing less than a deliberate insult as this is a formal, diplomatic visit and I am sure both Frederik and Mary would have been well briefed as to what to expect so as not to cause offence to their hosts. Mary obviously didn't expect to be publicly disrespected. However, she handled the situation with grace.

Those photos of Frederik with his hand in his pocket may very well be his own way to ensure he didn't do what comes so totally automatic and naturally to him, but would totally offend his hosts, namely putting his hand in the small of Mary's back or actually taking her hand in public.

I find myself intrigued by both Mary and Frederik's dress code. Formally, Mary is covering herself but wearing an abaya except in public and is not even covering her hair while Frederik is even wearing a casual short sleeved shirt which I thought would not meet the modesty standard for men as it was showing too much "skin" even for men.
I was surprised by Frederik's shirt, as well, especially since Mary's attire was unquestionably modest. I thought the norm was arms and legs covered for men, too.

I was even more surprised by the report that some of the men yesterday didn't even acknowledge Mary, (the lack of a handshake was to be expected, IMO). You have to assume this would be a pretty cosmopolitan crowd who should be very used to dealing with men and women from all over the world. Also, I think honouring invited guests and making them feel welcome is generally a point of pride in Saudi culture.
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Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries for women to live. Just recently I read that are not allowed to go into coffee shops to buy a coffee-to-go (that article was about Starbucks in Saudi Arabia). If you visit a country where you are not allowed to comment on political issues because it would harm the own business does not give a good picture.

I follow Mary's live since her marriage and I respect her for standing up for children and women's rights. But as for my perspective this trip doesn't seem right.
Thats not true! All over Saudi, women are allowed to go to coffee shops, restaurants and fast food chains, they all have a women/family section. You can simply youtube videos and pictures of women out an about. They can go to malls, parks, cinemas. The downside is that they can't driver.


This has been an amazing trip for the couple. I was pleased to see lots of pictures of Princess Mary and her by Frederik. I was a bit surprised that she didn't have a headscarf but I guess times are changing and for the good. This seems like it was a successful trip.

Cant wait to see them in Qatar soon, that would also be an interesting trip.
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That many would not shake hands was probably a given but that they should walk past her and totally ignore her was certainly not.

I find this behaviour nothing less than a deliberate insult as this is a formal, diplomatic visit and I am sure both Frederik and Mary would have been well briefed as to what to expect so as not to cause offence to their hosts. Mary obviously didn't expect to be publicly disrespected. However, she handled the situation with grace.
This is the part that interests me. How is this possible?
What if it had been Queen Margrethe? Would she have been ignored too and would they only have greeted "King" Henrik?
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i have to agree. we are quick to criticise that women are not treated according to western standards when visiting saudi, quick to oversee that mary herself is an advocate of women's rights, quick to oversee what a terrible track record saudi arabia has... but then everyone seems to become quiet when they see how much of an economic impact this visit will have, and how much of an economic player saudi arabia is and the dollar money they will inject after this visit into denmark (or any other country organising an economic mission).

either we stand by our 'human and women's rights defenders' position, we value consistency and we ignore saudi arabia (and their money), or we organise economic missions to saudi to get their money and 'overlook' the fact that certain of our values are not the same there when we are confronted to them. but we can't have it all.




i think you are taking things out of context. of course, such a statement would not be tolerated in our western cultures. but it would be a very silly thing to say, or even imply, that they don't have a great human rights record when on a visit to saudi arabia to ask them to invest their money in your country....
Well, I actually think you proved my point, Carlota.

But I agree with you that this is about money and as a Roman emperor once said: Money don't stink.

Anyway, I think my opinion of this visit and view on conditions in Saudi Arabia in particular are obvious, so to avoid quarrel I will leave posting and coverage to others.

I hope to see M&F visit Morocco or Jordan one day. They have their problems, but at least they don't systematically oppress half the population.
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Maybe it would have helped if Mary had been advised to only move her hand When the Men made the First move (what she did at the end). Maybe its freds way to show his disrespect of the whole Situation but he doesn't look like a CP but some guy on holiday with his shirt and sunglasses. This whole visit looks like a Farce to me for the Royals and should have done without them.
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I hope to see M&F visit Morocco or Jordan one day. They have their problems, but at least they don't systematically oppress half the population.
They don't? You think Moroccans or Jordanians, especially women, are not oppressed? Double standards again, I'm afraid. The Western world has a very hypocritical way to decide who is a tyrann and who is not and when.
I am not saying the Saudi kings aren't tyranns but I think the controversy about this visit is actually a farce when there was absolutely no controversy when DRF members visited other countries where human rights are violated/women oppressed (Myanmar, China, Thailand, Indonesia, Russia...). Last year's Handball WC was held in Qatar, the last Women Deliver conference was in Malaysia, where female genital mutilition is very much in practice.

Also I think the story about Mary being ignored is exaggerated because of the media's and some poster's negative feelings about this visit (which I totally understand). Since the king is such a tyrann I doubt anyone would dare to insult his guests at a breakfast given by the king in their honour.
I watched the EB videos and I was actually surprised how many did shake hands (both men and women).
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I'm wondering whether CP Mary was briefed about the handshake business
in advance? I for one thought it was general knowledge, and besides it shouldn't really come as a surprise considering that the same can happen in DK, including Muslim women not shaking hands with men!
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Anyway, I think my opinion of this visit and view on conditions in Saudi Arabia in particular are obvious, so to avoid quarrel I will leave posting and coverage to others.
i hope you reconsider posting on the visit, mulher! your posts are always so informative.
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Like Muhler, I will refrain from political comments about this trip. That's a sensitive subject these days, especially for us 'Murricans! However, I must say that Mary looks great while adhering to the dress code of the country. If you follow the royal fashion blogs, two Muslim women that regularly appear are Queen Rania of Jordan and Sheikha Mozah of Qatar. They are very stylish, yet always manage to adhere to the dress requirements. In the case of Rania, she does not cover her head and wears street-length skirts, although in a longer length. Her elbows are always covered. Sheikha Mozah always wears long dresses with long sleeves which are quite fashionable with a matching head covering. I hope that she and Mary meet up in Qatar.

Muhler, feel free to chime in on fashion anytime
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:36 AM
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And we have lovely pictures from today, Day 3:

​Visit to King Abdullah’s Financial District

It is always good to have your wife by your side
http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/mdxi...audi%20Arabien
http://kongehuset.dk/sites/default/f...l_district.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/mdxi...audi%20Arabien

http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/8960...audi%20Arabien
http://kongehuset.dk/sites/default/f..._district2.jpg
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NzI5MQ%3D%3D.2

The Crown Princess and the health minister visit a playground and fitness area belonging to the Danish company Kompan. During the visit, The Crown Princess will be shown various play and activity installations.

http://kongehuset.dk/sites/default/f...pix_kompan.jpg
http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/4ubd...audi%20Arabien
http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/xduy...audi%20Arabien
http://kongehuset.dk/sites/default/f...ix_kompan2.jpg

Riyadh Chamber of Commerce (Mary is wearing her jacket from Christian's birth, isn't she? )
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcdgyDAWAAAZp3j.jpg
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NzI5MQ%3D%3D.2


Nice picture of F&M on their way to the official dinner last night:
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ff&oe=5757ED4F
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...02&oe=574B6FE2
http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/3dt6...0Saudi-Arabien

BB video from today:

VIDEO: Kronprinsesse Mary hjalp kronprins Frederik med hjelmen i Saudi-Arabien | BILLED-BLADET

Where we see Frederik and Mary helping each other with the teasing helmets before they were given a tour of the construction site. The weather looks fantastic.

Tonight, there will be a official dinner. And tomorrow morning F&M will fly to Doha where their visit continues the next 2 days...
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BB video from today:

VIDEO: Kronprinsesse Mary hjalp kronprins Frederik med hjelmen i Saudi-Arabien | BILLED-BLADET

Where we see Frederik and Mary helping each other with the teasing helmets before they were given a tour of the construction site. The weather looks fantastic.

Tonight, there will be a official dinner. And tomorrow morning F&M will fly to Doha where their visit continues the next 2 days...
The video is wonderful. Love Mary with the little girls, such a warm person.

This image of the two is wonderful, Even in a highly conservative country, the Frederik and Mary "magic" still shines. They are such a great team and you can tell they have enjoyed being together.
http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/mdxi...audi%20Arabien

I dont get the uproar about Frederik being in a short sleeve shirt. He has worn suit and tie in 90% of the visit so far, certainly looking like a CP , the trip to the museum was a private visit not on the agenda.

Another picture from the dinner yesterday, where they both look fantastic
http://imageupper.com/s02/1/5/Y1456850322312375_1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcdoppfW8AIGWFS.jpg:large

gallery from yesterday
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...9252160&type=3
lovely smiles to the flower girl
https://scontent.fsan1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...48&oe=574EC1BE

today at the chamber lunch
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcdgyDjXEAAGlb3.jpg



thanks for all the pictures and information. They have made the best of a difficult (to say the least) visit. Im glad they are both standing side by side

Article from the Danish Industry
Stort potentiale for danske virksomheder i Saudi Arabien - DI

At the King Faisal Specialist Hospital and Research Center in Riyadh.
article and pictures
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Here tonight, Farewell reception at the Danish ambassadors residence:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cce6kp4WwAAP0XI.jpg:large

Tomorrow morning, F&M will fly to Doha where their visit continues the next 2 days...
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thanks. Very busy past three days and they have two more busy days in Qatar before going home. I hope we get better pictures from the reception, they both look nice.

picture from yesterday's dinner
http://a.bimg.dk/node-images/505/12/...12505027-h.jpg

another gallery
Mary et Frederik de Danemark sont en Arabie Saoudite

and taking part in a selfie
http://resize-parismatch.ladmedia.fr...vrier-2016.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcZsFw6WAAAKgCE.jpg
with Khalid Al Khudair, founder of @Glowork, an organization dedicated to women empowerment recruitment and GCC

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Princess Mary delights school girls during a visit to a playground in Saudi Arabia... as mothers clad in burkas snap selfies on their smartphones

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Riyadh Chamber of Commerce (Mary is wearing her jacket from Christian's birth, isn't she? )
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcdgyDAWAAAZp3j.jpg
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t5...NzI5MQ%3D%3D.2

I think it's a different coat: Mary from the start: Going home with Lilleprinsen + first official pictures

It's possible she had it altered, but the colour looks a different shade to me.

I rather think it's this one: http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...re-id158078096

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BB video from today:

VIDEO: Kronprinsesse Mary hjalp kronprins Frederik med hjelmen i Saudi-Arabien | BILLED-BLADET

Where we see Frederik and Mary helping each other with the teasing helmets before they were given a tour of the construction site. The weather looks fantastic.

Tonight, there will be a official dinner. And tomorrow morning F&M will fly to Doha where their visit continues the next 2 days...
Thanks for the video. The Saudi women aren't likely to catch skin cancer, that's for sure! They look like a Monty Python joke really.
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video from Day 3 and the farewell reception
VIDEO: Kronprinsesse Mary og kronprins Frederik tog flot afsked med Saudi-Arabien | BILLED-BLADET

picture from the farewell reception. what a handsome pair
http://kongehuset.dk/sites/default/f...i-arabien1.jpg

Mary visited the King Khalid Foundation, a "Saudi charity led by Princess Banderi bint Abdulrahman AlFaisal. The organization’s work focuses particularly on violence against women and children"
During the visit the Crown Princess heard more about the organization's work.
http://kongehuset.dk/sites/default/f...di-arabien.jpg
http://kkf.org.sa/ar/mediacenter/new...es/News198.JPG


and now Day 1 in Qatar
"The Crown Prince Couple pay a visit at Aspire Academy, which was established in 2004 and is now one of the world’s leading sports academies for children and young people. "
"I thought we had some big hitters last week here at Aspire for the conference, this is next level!! "
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccizr9KXEAMC7fo.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcjIKy8WoAI1GRN.jpg:large

article from the DailyMail

Crown Princess Mary and Crown Prince Frederik flirt as they tour Saudi Arabia | Daily Mail Online
"The royal couple were seen flirting with each other, laughing and smiling as they donned hard hats to be given a tour of a building site in the new King Abdullah Financial District in Riyadh."
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/...6894142842.jpg
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