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Old 02-28-2016, 03:35 AM
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It looks like they arrived with the ministers Saturday evening . Posted about 10 hours ago on twitter
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"Nice welcome*to*the Crown Prince Couple,*Kristian Jensen,*Troels Lund Poulsen*and*Sophie*Løhde in*Saudi*Arabia*this evening"

https://mobile.twitter.com/EVM_dk/st...89190559588352
https://mobile.twitter.com/EVM_dk/st...95681584758784
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Old 02-28-2016, 04:35 AM
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Thanks Polyesco

Yes Frederik and Mary and the entire Danish delegation landed last night in Riyadh. And they were greeted at the hotel (this is what we can see on the pictures...)

It was not written in the official program, so I guess it was an unofficial welcome. There was, however, shown clips of the welcome and F&M arrive in TV news here this morning on TV2.

F&M's official (and tightly packed) program starts today.
Today they only have one event - they will meet the country's royal family. We don't have (as the only event) got any information about what time of day they will meet the royal family, though.

How is the weather in Riyadh?
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:30 AM
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According to World Time Server, the temperature is 81F / 27C and partly cloudy.

We usually see Frederik and Mary holding hands, etc. on these trips, but this one may be a little more restrained. If I remember correctly, public displays of affection are frowned upon in Saudi Arabia. No kissing pictures like the one in Germany
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Old 02-28-2016, 10:26 AM
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And we have the first detailed account from the Danish press, Ekstra Bladet: Frede og Mary hyggede med tyran – Ekstra Bladet

Complete with video.

During the four days in Saudi Arabia, M&F live in the royal guest-palace.

They arrived late Saturday night and after breakfast Friday, they were taken for a sightseeing tour of Riyadh.
Later on they had lunch with King Salman, whom Frederik met at the funeral of King Abdullah last year.

With M&F went their Chief-of-Court, Christian Schønau. Frederik's personal assistant, Morten Roland Hansen and Mary's LiW, Christine Pii Hansen.

After the lunch Frederik went to have dinner at the Danish embassy, while Mary went with the King's two sisters, Latifa and Al Jawhara. Their dinner took place at Princess Latifa's residence.

Tomorrow it will be down to business.

Notice the handshaking video. There are two men who do not shake hands with Mary. The first one greet her politely though, while the second one was in my eyes about to pass right by her, when she stretched out her hand, which he refused. I thought that was a bit rude.

BT has more details: Har gjort stort indtryk i ørkenstaten: Nu skal Mary til middag med de saudiske prinsesser - Udland | www.bt.dk

It was actually the intention that both Mary and Frederik should eat dinner at the Danish embassy, but these plans were changed during the lunch, where Mary instead was invited to dine with the King's sisters.

Later Mary will meet Saudi businesswomen.

The article mentions that while women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive cars, a few months ago widows and divorced women were allowed to have their own identity papers.
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Question for our Danish posters, has QM ever visited Saudi Arabia?
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Old 02-28-2016, 11:33 AM
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Yes, thanks for the photos! Interesting trip (or I would find it interesting )
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Old 02-28-2016, 11:34 AM
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Question for our Danish posters, has QM ever visited Saudi Arabia?
Yes, she has.

Back in the 70's. An official state visit.
I remember it clearly as QMII was praised for dressing in a manner that respected the local culture regarding appropriate attire for women, while not going too much on compromise with Danish/Western values at the time. I.e. covering her hair adequately but not fully. Making sure her ankles were covered while still having red nail-polish on her feet.
And I also remember the coverage about PH. Because normally the consort would be entertained by the female members of the Saudi RF, but he is man, so modifications had to be made.
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Old 02-28-2016, 11:38 AM
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Yes, she has.

Back in the 70's. An official state visit.
I remember it clearly as QMII was praised for dressing in a manner that respected the local culture regarding appropriate attire for women, while not going too much on compromise with Danish/Western values at the time. I.e. covering her hair adequately but not fully. Making sure her ankles were covered while still having red nail-polish on her feet.
And I also remember the coverage about PH. Because normally the consort would be entertained by the female members of the Saudi RF, but he is man, so modifications had to be made.
From what I can see, Mary did a good job in her dress today as well. Modest yet stylish

As for trying to entertain PH in a manner befitting Himself, well, I'll keep my thoughts to myself...
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I don't think Mary ever dressed so conservative as what we saw today! I think it's very civil to adapt to the situation of your hosts. Of course it's always nice if these manners exist in both directions.

About the pictures of the hand shaking: was that during the breakfast ceremony?

I wonder what Frederik was offered to taste in that one picture. I'm not sure he's enjoying it
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Old 02-28-2016, 11:54 AM
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Perhaps it was merely hot? And Frederik blew over the spoon in order to cool it?
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Perhaps it was merely hot? And Frederik blew over the spoon in order to cool it?
It did not look very appealing to my Western eyes. That's the dark side of being royal; having to eat whatever you are served and being cheerful about it.
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I don't think Mary ever dressed so conservative as what we saw today! I think it's very civil to adapt to the situation of your hosts. Of course it's always nice if these manners exist in both directions.
I have 2 questions...How long is the flight from Copenhagen to Saudi Arabia? And I see Crown Princess Mary always with a long scarf around her neck...but isn't she supposed to cover her head? Especially in the presence of the Saudi King and when she is outside as well?
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Shouldn't her head be covered ?, is she not insulting her hosts by not covering it ?
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Frederik held talks with the custodian of the two holy talks but then he and Mary went on the tour of the historical city. Neither event was in the official calendar .

The official Saudi Press Agency
http://www.spa.gov.sa/galupload/norm...6612944751.JPG
http://www.spa.gov.sa/galupload/norm...6666767039.jpg

A few more picture, Frederik handsome per usual
Mary dressed very appropriately, and I like that in the visit over the next days she also has some events on her own per usual
http://40.media.tumblr.com/987ef0203...zbreo3_500.jpg
http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a7d289c6...zbreo1_500.jpg

Mary gives out so much class and serenity.
http://www.billedbladet.dk/sites/bil...?itok=NCV40fk0

and Frederik with that million dollar smile puts everyone at ease
http://www.spa.gov.sa/galupload/norm...6666735077.jpg
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Old 02-28-2016, 03:23 PM
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As far as I understand the hajib is mandatory in public. I.e. a scarf covering all the hair.
While the niqab is optional. I.e. a dress covering the entire body, including the face.
Women are under all circumstances required to wear a loose outfit from head to toe. - Otherwise the Religious Police will intervene.

What have other visiting female royals done?

BB has a video: http://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelige...-saudi-arabien

The visit was well covered tonight on the main news on TV2 at 19.00. The focus being that the visit and commerce offensive is controversial in wide circles.
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Shouldn't her head be covered ?, is she not insulting her hosts by not covering it ?
I don't know what Mary was supposed to wear but her hosts can't have been too insulted, because during the day, she was asked to dine with the Kings sisters.
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Old 02-28-2016, 03:49 PM
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As far as I understand the hajib is mandatory in public. I.e. a scarf covering all the hair.
While the niqab is optional. I.e. a dress covering the entire body, including the face.
Women are under all circumstances required to wear a loose outfit from head to toe. - Otherwise the Religious Police will intervene.

What have other visiting female royals done?

BB has a video: VIDEO: Kronprinsesse Mary og kronprins Frederik modtaget i Saudi Arabien | BILLED-BLADET

The visit was well covered tonight on the main news on TV2 at 19.00. The focus being that the visit and commerce offensive is controversial in wide circles.
Thank you Muhler! You actually provided the link to a video above which answered my question as to whether CP Mary's head should be covered. From watching the video, during the presentation to the Saudi King at his palace, there is a section shown with other western women who are seated, and they too are not wearing head scarfs. So, it appears that CP Mary has not broken any rules.

And Nordic is correct, if CP Mary had indeed insulted her hosts - she would not have been given the great honor of having dinner with the King's senior female relatives in the royal family. As a matter of fact, it would appear that CP Mary has impressed the Saudi King given the impromptu and unscheduled royal invitation.
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Shouldn't her head be covered ?, is she not insulting her hosts by not covering it ?
I think only inside the mosque. Outside it is not an obligation. Princess Ameera was not covering her head either.
I did see in the welcome video with other females not covered though, I suppose they are occidental ?
As for the shake hands, many Muslims do not shake female hands, other do. Iranians I think never do it. In this video some did some did not, it was their choice. I'm sure Mary was advised what to expect, she was not surprised.
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