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The Constitution of 1923 has never been legally abolished.The comunist constitutions were abolished in 1989.
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The Constitution of 1923 has never been legally abolished.The comunist constitutions were abolished in 1989.

The 1923 constitution has been repealed twice; in 1938 by Carol II only to be brought back in 1944 and again in 1947/1948 when Romania became a Republic. Just because the Communist constitution (first adopted in 1948, then revised in 1952 and 1965) was repealed in 1989 doesn't mean that the 1923 constitution was brought back. The current constitution in effect in Romania is the 1991 constitution, which names Romania as a republic. As such the Romanian government cannot legislate changes to the succession to the Romanian throne without changing the constitution and the form of government - both things which it cannot democratically do without referendum.
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There will be obviously a referendum to bring back the Monarchy. The Constitution of 1923 has never been LEGALLY abolished so all the constitutions after it could be questioned. The Line of succession remain the same as until now without a new decision of the parliament.
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There will be obviously a referendum to bring back the Monarchy. The Constitution of 1923 has never been LEGALLY abolished so all the constitutions after it could be questioned. The Line of succession remain the same as until now without a new decision of the parliament.

This is kind of ridiculous.

While the Communists may not have legally abolished the constitution, when the communists were overthrown and the PEOPLE chose not to demand that the Romanian family be reinstated the fact became that the 1923 constitution no longer applied in Romania. The constitution that is now important is the 1991 constitution which established Romania as a democratic republic.

The Romanian government as such has no position to alter the succession to the Romanian throne, as it no longer LEGALLY recognizes the Romanian throne.

The Romanian Royal Family can be forced to adhere to the succession as laid out in the 1923 constitution by 2 things - 1. Romanian monarchists who are in a position to support the claimant of their choosing, 2. the claimants themselves, who can make things more or less difficult as they gather support and recognition (or fail to do so) within Romania.

While things may be calmer now, it's only owing to the fact that the King (or former King) is still alive. He continues to have the support of the monarchists because he actually reigned and is still alive. Once he dies, however, monarchists in Romania may not chose to support HM's chosen successor. They may instead chose to support one of the three other successors. Or they may not. Or they may be divided on the issue.

And it's not obvious that there will be a referendum. A referendum HAS to happen for the introduction of a constitutional monarchy that adheres to democratic principles, but that doesn't mean that there will be one. Unless the government choses to have one, or the people demand one, one won't happen. Is there really any real reason to believe that the government is going to do so unless forced to - or that the people in mass want one?
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There are only two Lines of Succession possible: the Line indicated by the Constitution of 1923 (Prince Karl) and the line proposed by the king in 2007 (Princess Margareta).
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[....] I also find it crazy that Romania (if they had to choose), would prefer a crown princess who is Romanian by birth and is ( we don't know the numbers), well respected, over a prince who has no connections to Romania other than a " succession" according to a constitution that is defunct and 91 years old!
The present King of Spain was born in Rome (Italy) and spent his childhood in Estoril (Portugal). He was in line of succession for the Spanish Throne according to the Constitution 1876 which was first replaced by a (republican) Constitution 1931 and after the Civil War by the Constitution 1938 (Franco) before finally in 1978 the present Constitution came into force. All this did not prevent a foreign-born and partly foreign-raised gentleman with rights on base of the Constitution of 1876 to become King of Spain...

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The example above is exactly what I mean. Margarita might be foreign born, but she is a Romanian by birth through her father the king.
The same can be said about Princess Elena, the mother of Nicolae, and the Prince himself.
For this reason, the example in Spain shows that there is hope for the Crown Princess In the event of a restoration.

The reason I say that is not only because of my comment on your post the first time, but Karl of Hohenzollern, might have tues to the line of succession but I still due to the many changes and new constitutions feel that the Romanian parliament could easily go for the daughter of the former king over Karl as he has no direct ties to the king. It just makes sense to me, but every one else seems to feel differently.
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It is all very theoretical. In Sweden they once accepted a French Marshall (Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte) as King, in Belgium they rebelled against the Orange-Nassaus, for centuries in the Low Countries and offered the throne to a Prince von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. Even the Romanians themselves offered the throne to a foreigner.... Prince Karl from Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen was offered the throne and became King Carol I...
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Lets have a dose of realism about this.
The days of a country offering its throne to a foreign military commander or to a foreign princeling are long gone.
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I do not know if the Romanian royalists will really support Prince Karl in the case of Restoration. Not all of them agree Prince Karl would be the Heir of King Mihai.
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HSH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern and Romania

According to the Constitution of 1923 HSH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern would be the Heir to the Romanian throne after HM King Mihai I. More and more Romanians suppose a foreign Prince would be really helpful like in 1866.
Even if he doesn't speak to much about this issue HSH Prince Karl has never given up to this rights.
The possible future Crown Prince of Romania is known for being a serious business man and for respecting the traditions of His House.
Would He be a good King for Romania?
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I have merged the post about a succession of Prince Karl of Hohenzollern into the thread dealing with Romanian succession issues. Other issues regarding the prince can also be discussed in the Hohenzollern subforum.
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If we have a thread about Prncess Margareta we should have one also one about Prince Karl because each of them represents one of the two possible Lines of Succession.
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If you want to discuss about the various possible lines of succession to the Romanian throne, this thread is more than suitable for such discussion.

As you may know, the thread abut Crown Princess Margarita (and Prince Radu) covers their current events. A similar thread about Prince Karl Friedrich of Hohenzollern is already existing in the Hohenzollern subforum, where you can discuss the current events of the Prince and in general of the House of Hohenzollern.

As long as Prince Karl Friedrich doesn't show any interest in Romania and in the possibility of becoming in the future King of Romania (if and when the monarchy will be restored) a thread on him in the Romanian subforum is not necessary.
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But the name of this thread could be "Prince Karl of Hohenzollern and the romanian succession"?
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HH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern has never officially given up his rights to the Romanian Throne (that comes from the Romanian Constitution of 1923 never democratically and legally abolished) and he can proclaim himself Head of the Royal House of Romania when HM the King won't be among us anymore.
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The great popularity of HM the King's grandson Nicolae will probably bring him as future Pretender supported by the royalists. Very few would support HRH Princess Margareta as Pretender and even less would support HH Prince Karl.
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Has Irina been stripped of her Royal Style of HRH & Princess of Romania and place in the line of succession ?
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Not just Irina, but all her descendants are out of succession - children, grandchildren.

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The great popularity of HM the King's grandson Nicolae will probably bring him as future Pretender supported by the royalists. Very few would support HRH Princess Margareta as Pretender and even less would support HH Prince Karl.
The monarchy is not the The Voice Romania, a TV-popularity poll. For me it is beyond understanding why Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills would be more popular than Princess Margarita of Romania born a Princess of the House Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen. As no any other member of the Romanian Royal House, it is thanks to Princess Margarita and -honour to him who deserves it- Mr Radu Duda, that the Romanian royals have not sank away into obscurity as so many other Royal Houses.

There is no objective reason why the Swiss-born British citizen Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills would be more popular than is aunt Princess Margarita, other than for his -still- youthful appearance and friendly And by the way... Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills' own mother still stands above him in the disputed line of successioncharacter. That turns the monarchy into a popularity poll and that is not what that institution is for.

It is the same as "Who is the most popular member of the Swedish royal family?" Answer: "Estelle!". So a baby, a toddler, who can not even speak is more popular than his hardworking mother or the royal couple? Come on...

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