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Old 03-17-2016, 05:18 AM
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Without a formal renounciation things are still opened.
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Old 03-17-2016, 05:37 AM
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Maybe I missed something, but wasn't a formal renounciation to their succession rights of all the male members of the House of Hohenzollern the only way for opening the question of the succession to the throne?
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Old 03-17-2016, 05:49 AM
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Only when the Princes of Hohenzollern renounce formally at their Succession right a new Prince from a European Sovereign House can become the solution.
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So - since the formal renounciation has never been signed - currently things about the succession are not an open question if you follow the old constitution, are they?
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Old 03-17-2016, 09:19 AM
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You are right from this point of view!
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Old 03-24-2016, 01:42 AM
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Article at the website of the royal family:
Succesiunea la Coroană _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Old 03-27-2016, 04:16 PM
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The usual ideas that ignore the Romanian constitutional traditions.
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Old 03-27-2016, 04:45 PM
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The usual ideas that ignore the Romanian constitutional traditions.
The future of the Romanian monarchy is almost universally accepted as being based from the Royal Family, and under a contemporary, functional and acceptable line of succession, that takes into account the times we live in. The Romanian monarchy must be relevant to the future if it is to return to the throne, and the realistic approach used in conversation, media and political circles, is based on and from the Romanian Royal Family. To envisage a blank restoration of a constitution that has long been gone, without alterations, updates to our time and a realistic assessment of the current and future shape of the Royal Family, is both futile and counterproductive to the goal of restoring the kingdom of Romania.
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Old 03-27-2016, 05:05 PM
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And who represent the future of this "Line"?
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Old 06-16-2016, 06:22 PM
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The well known leader of the royalist Association "Movement for Kingdom and Crown" Marilena Rotaru mentioned today in an Open Letter to Princess Margareta that: "Respectul față de întregul adevăr istoric m-a făcut să cred că, la aniversarea a 150 de ani ai Coroanei Române, vor fi invitați și reprezentanți ai rădăcinilor regalității noastre, ai Casei Princiare de Hohenzollern, care ni i-au dat pe măritul Rege Carol I și pe Regele Ferdinand."( " The respect for the full historic truth made me believe that at the 150th anniversary of the Romanian Crown will be invited also those that represent the roots of our Royalty, the Princely House of Hohenzollern, that gave us the great King Carol I and the King Ferdinand I").
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Old 06-18-2016, 10:50 AM
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And what does that have to do with the "succession to the Romanian throne"?
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:50 AM
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And what does that have to do with the "succession to the Romanian throne"?
This means that part of the monarchist movement backs the succession as written down in the last Constitution of the Kingdom of Romania and not the succession as invented by the michaelists.
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Old 06-18-2016, 12:30 PM
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The well known leader of the royalist Association "Movement for Kingdom and Crown" Marilena Rotaru mentioned today in an Open Letter to Princess Margareta that: "Respectul față de întregul adevăr istoric m-a făcut să cred că, la aniversarea a 150 de ani ai Coroanei Române, vor fi invitați și reprezentanți ai rădăcinilor regalității noastre, ai Casei Princiare de Hohenzollern, care ni i-au dat pe măritul Rege Carol I și pe Regele Ferdinand."( " The respect for the full historic truth made me believe that at the 150th anniversary of the Romanian Crown will be invited also those that represent the roots of our Royalty, the Princely House of Hohenzollern, that gave us the great King Carol I and the King Ferdinand I").
This is really a very petulant statement to make. The Romanian dynastic history is represented by the actual Romanian Royal Family, and to say that because no representatives from parts of where the family was 150 years ago were not present at the celebrations of 150 years of the Royal Family in Romania, is ridiculous, unnecessary and arbitrary.

With friends like these..

It is perfectly natural for a dynasty working towards its own restoration, to promote the fact that it is sovereign, functioning and uniquely Romanian, at every occasion it has, and certainly one celebrating its own establishment 150 years ago. The Hohenzollerns have made it clear they're not claiming the throne of Romania, and that the future of the Romanian monarchy is in the hands of the Royal Family itself, as late as 2008.

I understand someone who doesn't think the monarchy should be restored or is on the agenda, making the Hohenzollern argument repeatedly, although it has been debunked so clearly. What I don't understand, is the clear sabotage being done by those who claim to support the monarchy as a cause, but not the Royal Family itself.

It's rather hard to have one without the other.
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This means that part of the monarchist movement backs the succession as written down in the last Constitution of the Kingdom of Romania and not the succession as invented by the michaelists.
But that's not what Mrs. Rotaru wrote in her letter (or at least in the excerpt mentioned by Cory), is it?
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But that's not what Mrs. Rotaru wrote in her letter (or at least in the excerpt mentioned by Cory), is it?
The noble art of reading between the lines comes handy in the case of Madame Rotaru.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:05 PM
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The noble art of reading between the lines comes handy in the case of Madame Rotaru.
What do you mean?

The Movement for Kingdom and Crown supports the Monarchy but as far as I know does not speak explicitly about the Line of Succession this royalist association supports.
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In the Petition signed yesterday by the leaders of the Movement for Kingdom and Crown, by the leaders of different Monarchist Clubs and by important cultural personalities it is for the first time underlined that the Fundamental Norms of 2007 have no constitutional consequences and the text that continues to represent the rule is that of 1923:

"Singurul act de referință la reglementările din Statutul Casei Regale, susținut și evocat de nenumărate ori de Regele Mihai, este Constituția din 1923. Numai Parlamentul transformat în Adunare Constituantă poate, împreună cu Casa Regală, să aprobe acest statut, după acceptarea amendamentelor ce se impun în textul Constituției monarhice. Altfel, atâta vreme cât România este republică, Statutul Casei Regale, cu modificările Regelui Mihai (din 2007 și august 2015) este funcțional doar în interiorul Familiei Regale. "( "The only fundamental act regarding the rules of the Statute of the Royal House, supported and remembered very many times by King Mihai, is the Constitution of 1923. Only the Parliament changed in Constitutional Assembly can, together with the Royal House, aprove this Statute after accepting the emandments that must be done in the text of the monarchist Constitution. Otherwise, while Romania is still a republic, the Statute of the Royal House with the changes made by the King in 2007 and august 2015 is functioning only inside the Royal Family").

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That is what many, which oppose the unilateral michaelist changes, have always stated. It is up to the people of Romania, in the utmost unlikely ever possibility of a restoration, to decide about changes in the succession.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:41 AM
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Of course! The royalists must be very clear on this issue.
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Old 06-25-2016, 03:33 PM
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HSH Prince Ferdinand of Hohenzollern is the fourth in the Line of Succession to the Romanian Throne (according to the royalist Constitutions of Romania). His wife is countess Ilona Ilona Kálnoky de Köröspatak. The Kalnokys are very present in Transylvania and welcome the Prince of Wales when the Prince Charles visits the area. Has Prince Ferdinand himself visited the area?
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