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Old 10-25-2015, 07:56 AM
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[...] I see no way at all for the line to pass to any foreign member of the Hohenzollern princely family. They have no connection to Romanian society [...]
Hmmm....

Had Nicholas Medforth-Mills (born in Switzerland and raised in the United Kingdom) any "connection to Romanian society" before King Michael changed the succession ?

Does his sister Karina Medforth-Mills (born and raised in the United Kingdom), still in the michaelist line of succession, have any "connection to Romanian society" ?

And does his cousine Elisabeth Biarneix (born and raised in France), still in the michaelist line of succession, have any "connection to Romanian society" ?

The answer is: no. All three of them were virtually unknown to the general Romanian society. When King Michael changed the succession, a program was started to make Nicholas Medforth-Mills, pardon, Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, pardon, Prince Nicolae of Romania (now back to "Nicholas Medforth-Mills") known to Romanian society. And slowly, after a couple of years, the face of this young man indeed became known to wider Romanian society.

I fail to see why Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern, son of Prince Karl Friedrich and of Princess Alexandra von Hohenzollern née Countess Schenk von Stauffenberg and No II in the constitutional line of succession, would not succeed in that. When a Swiss-born British commoner with no any historic link can do it, then a German Prince whose House has delivered all Romanian Kings, the current one included, can do it for sure.
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Old 10-25-2015, 12:08 PM
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Yes, but the fact is that the Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern is not a descendant of King Mihai. Something that King too wish for it and for this reason created his own line of succession.
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Old 10-25-2015, 12:13 PM
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Hmmm....

Had Nicholas Medforth-Mills (born in Switzerland and raised in the United Kingdom) any "connection to Romanian society" before King Michael changed the succession ?

Does his sister Karina Medforth-Mills (born and raised in the United Kingdom), still in the michaelist line of succession, have any "connection to Romanian society" ?

And does his cousine Elisabeth Biarneix (born and raised in France), still in the michaelist line of succession, have any "connection to Romanian society" ?

The answer is: no. All three of them were virtually unknown to the general Romanian society. When King Michael changed the succession, a program was started to make Nicholas Medforth-Mills, pardon, Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, pardon, Prince Nicolae of Romania (now back to "Nicholas Medforth-Mills") known to Romanian society. And slowly, after a couple of years, the face of this young man indeed became known to wider Romanian society.

I fail to see why Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern, son of Prince Karl Friedrich and of Princess Alexandra von Hohenzollern née Countess Schenk von Stauffenberg and No II in the constitutional line of succession, would not succeed in that. When a Swiss-born British commoner with no any historic link can do it, then a German Prince whose House has delivered all Romanian Kings, the current one included, can do it for sure.
You fail to acknowledge the point that I try to illuminate; the emotional bond. Mr. Medforth-Mills is the only grandson of H.M the King of the Romanians. It is a far easier bond to show to the Romanian people, than any distant German relation.
The argument for restoring a monarchy in a nation or not in 2015 and onwards, will not be made based on an old constitution. If Romania restores the monarchy, it will more than likely be under a new constitution entirely, one that places men and women of royal birth equally in a line of succession, that will be decided before the institution is restored. I am not sure why it is even argued that a distant German line to a sovereign nations Royal Family is eligible to inherit a throne that will logically be occupied by the progeny of the current King.

Furthermore, it continues to ignore the express sentiment given by the Hohenzollern Princely family, that the Romanian throne is not in their future, that they do not claim it and that they will not entertain an offer to sit on it. That should end that debate right there.

The King of the Romanians has 5 daughters, 5 grandchildren and 3 great-grandchildren. To imply that the Romanian Royal Family won't continue because the Crown Princess does not have children, is simply untrue and does nothing to advance the cause of monarchy in Romania.

When it comes to 'importing' mr. Medforth-Mills and have him accepted as a legitimate heir, and use that as an argument to import a distant and unwilling relation from Germany, ahead of other members of the actual Romanian Royal Family, seems to confuse the facts. The Kings grandson, Nicholas, stood on the balcony in Bucharest when the Royal Family was welcomed home over 20 years ago. He is his grandfathers only grandson. It wasn't much of a leap to accept him as legitimate, and a natural part of the RF, for Romanians interested in and curious about the monarchy. I am still convinced that he will have a role in the future of the Romanian monarchy, when it once again is a kingdom. What that role will be, only time will tell.
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You seem to forget the King had two grandsons not only one and it was the King who did not want any of them to continue the mission of the Family.
The Hohenzollerns have never officially given up something they do not have yet.
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We could keep this debate going around and around, based on many different historic events, both in Romania and Germany. When King Ferdinand reigned, his elder brother, Prince Wilhelm, renounced any rights his house of Hohenzollern had to the Romanian throne. When King Michael first abdicated, his father decreed that the throne would revert to the Hohenzollern branch, in the event no heirs was produced in the Romanian Royal Family. That was in 1927, 90 years ago.

I do not believe for a moment that the Romanian Royal Family would be sidelined for a German Princely family that gave an heir to the kingdom of Romania in the middle of the 19th century, and I cannot see the logic behind it at all. In this day and age, no monarchy will be restored in Europe, sidelining women completely, of that I am sure. If Crown Princess Margareta can be accepted as her fathers successor, so can the rest of the women in the Royal Family.
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First of all the Parliament will decide to change or not the Line of Succession.
Secondly the Romanians will rather accept a German Prince than the two grandaughters of the King.
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There is no proof that the latter claim has any validity.
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The Parliament will have to decide.
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Old 10-25-2015, 07:47 PM
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Secondly the Romanians will rather accept a German Prince than the two grandaughters of the King.
Why will Romanians accept a German Prince as their King? Are Romanians that desperate to have a King?

I for one believe that Romanian should not change anything and continue to live in a semi- presidential republic.
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Old 10-25-2015, 07:57 PM
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First of all the Parliament will decide to change or not the Line of Succession.
Secondly the Romanians will rather accept a German Prince than the two grandaughters of the King.
There is no evidence to support such a claim, and it contradicts any logic. There is a Royal Family in Romania. No parliament would restore the institution and bypass the entire family in the process, and there is no public opinion that would accept such a move, unless there were strong and visible ties to the new RF that would be imported. There are no such ties to a distant German family who once provided a King to the country.

France provided the Swedish kingdom with a King once. Denmark provided Norway with one a century ago. I doubt anyone would argue that they could be replaced by a member of their original family tomorrow, most likely not even in the case of the extinction of a Royal Family. To think that an existing Royal Family would be sidelined at a restoration, strikes me as a personal gripe against the RF and not founded in logic and contemporary thinking.
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Old 10-25-2015, 07:59 PM
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Why will Romanians accept a German Prince as their King? Are Romanians that desperate to have a King?

I for one believe that Romanian should not change anything and continue to live in a semi- presidential republic.
Seems so odd to me to argue against restoring monarchies on monarchical forums :)
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Only around 30% of the Romanians are openly royalists but the real republicans would be really few.
The Hohenzollerns represent a Dynasty that had a very important role in the country so it would not be a surprise to support this Dynasty.
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:12 PM
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Only around 30% of the Romanians are openly royalists but the real republicans would be really few.
The Hohenzollerns represent a Dynasty that had a very important role in the country so it would not be a surprise to support this Dynasty.
The Bernadotte family of France gave Sweden a Royal Family a few decades before the Hohenzollerns sent a prince to Romania to become king. If the RF in Sweden would become extinct, nobody would ever argue for getting another Bernadotte in from France. The country would probably become a republic instead.

Monarchies are emotional by nature, not purely rational, and the Hohenzollern sphere of influence evaporated in 1918. If Finland could decline an elected German King that year, surely nobody would seriously argue for importing a German prince to Romania to become king, and pretend like the Romanian RF did not exist.

I'm sorry, but to even think that the Romanian Royal Family does not have a future as a reigning dynasty in 2015, because the King only had daughters, is quite offensive to women everywhere.
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If Monarchy is restored there are three possibilities : to ask the Hohenzollerns to take the Throne, to change the rules and accept the descendants of King Michael or to propose a new Dynasty. The two King's grandaughters are considered as foreigner as the Hohenzollerns so it is very hard to know what will happen.
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:54 PM
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Due to some of the events this year, I believe succession to the throne might seem abit more unclear to most people following Romanian political life, but in essence, I believe that when Parliament decides to restore the monarchy, they will already have made contact with the head of the Royal Family to ensure their willingness to once again serve. They will then already have had talks about the position of monarch, and a sorted line of succession.
Personally, I am convinced that Crown Princess Margareta will be the interim custodian of the crown and head of the dynasty, while Nicholas de Roumanie M-M will be chosen to succeed his grandfather as King of Romania.

I don't think we will see the Crown Princess as Queen, simply because this process takes time, the CP is an older woman without issue, and the future of the monarchy will be laid in the hands of the only eligible man.

Despite the events of August, I am fairly sure we will see the monarchy restored, and I think it is more likely that Romanian politicians will want a younger male than an older woman, to re-establish the official dynasty in Romania.
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The possibility of Mr Medforth Mills to ever become King is none. The same for his aunt.
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Old 10-25-2015, 09:17 PM
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The possibility of Mr Medforth Mills to ever become King is none. The same for his aunt.
It would be nice with some fat added to such harsh opinions, to give them any weight at all.
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Mr Medforth Mills is not wanted by hus own Family anymore and his aunt is considered too influenced by her less popular husband.
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Mr Medforth Mills is not wanted by hus own Family anymore and his aunt is considered too influenced by her less popular husband.

So that means the Romanian people should also cast Nicholas aside?

(Which, for the record, does not seem to be happening.)
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