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Because you said that you spoke to many of them completely exclude the fact Nicolae return again perhaps when the Μargarira take the reins of the monarchy.
Nobody really believes this possibility.
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I really doubt the eldest daughter of the King and her husband are interested in the restoration of Monarchy.
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:15 PM
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I seriously feel nobody in the romanian RF is interested in restoration. None of the kings daughters seem to be groomed for active public life. The heiress owes most of her 'popularity' to general sympathy for her ill health and childlessness. Come on, 4 daughters is a bumper bonus in royalty, and all u got to depend on is a politically ambitious, polarising son in law.. Its a pity.. We praise QueenMother n Queen Ingrid for raising brilliant regnants, unfortunately it reflects very poorly on Queen Anne that none of the princesses are inspiring enough. Even Maria of Russia runs a better show than them.
Have there actually ever been any reliable reports that Margarita of Romania is ill? If anything, it is her mother The Queen who has been unwell for some years. The Crown Princess has certainly become extremely svelte, but that it not in itself an indication that she is in poor health.

Further, regarding the Princesses, Queen Anne openly admitted in a book, The Gotha: Still a Continental Royal Family, that "I do not know how good a job I did raising daughters. You see, I only had brothers. Mother [Princess Margrethe of Bourbon-Parma; nee Denmark] only had brothers, and she was left an orphan at an early age since Amama [Princess Marie of Denmark; nee Orleans] died so young. Michael was an only son. We did not really have any ideas about raising girls. We did the best we could."
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:25 PM
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Margarita has never been an active/initiative-taking royal and she will hardly be so later.
The princess did found a well-respected charity nearly thirty years ago that is still actively involved in ameliorating living conditions for many Romanians. So, one could hardly say Margarita is not active or initiative-taking.
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Old 09-18-2015, 11:24 AM
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I really doubt the eldest daughter of the King and her husband are interested in the restoration of Monarchy.
I'm afraid that will have to agree on it. I believe that Margarita is happy with its position now. She returned to Romania, lives in Elizabeta palace, receives royal guests (such as recent the Prince Lorenz), organizes various events throughout the magnificence of a monarchy into force. I think that it is satisfied with them and not interested for the after. Besides has not her own children to the care that much. Of course the direct or indirect future will show us.
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Old 09-18-2015, 06:19 PM
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On another side, I believe it should be also considered that the Royal Family has reached a sort of agreement with the republican Romanian government; I'm not sure that it would be very wise for them to start actively campaigning for the restoration of the monarchy against the republican regime.
Maybe their chances would be better if they showed in practice to the Romanian people what the role of a Monarchy and of the Royal Family could be, if they showed to be serious persons, committed, interested in Romania, and leaving to others the campaigns to promote the restoration.
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Old 09-19-2015, 10:20 AM
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The Hohenzollerns never got the throne in the 1800s by passively just trying to be good people. Just as then, it takes actively promoting a change in government to get it. Thus while King Michael has perhaps made the most of a tough situation, if he wanted the monarchy restored, he should have actively campaigned for it.
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Old 09-19-2015, 12:14 PM
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Things have changed a little since the 1800s, haven't they? I don't think that the Romanian government would be very happy if King Michael and family now started to openly call for the restoration of the Monarchy.

And besides that, AFAIK King Carol I in 1866 just said "yes" and quickly travelled to Romania after the Romanian Parliament forced Alexandru Ioan Cuza to abdicate and, following the raccomandation of Napoleon III, asked Carol to become Prince of Romania.
It doesn't seems to me that he (and the Hohenzollerns in general) have been very active to promote the change of government back in 1866.
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Old 09-19-2015, 01:06 PM
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They do not promote the restoration of Monarchy because they have very good relations with the republican authorities.
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A dialogue between HM the King and HH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern would be very important at this point but I doubt it will take place.
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Trying to avoid the Succession of the Hohenzollerns the King's Family supported the proposal of a new Line of Succession with the descendants of the King. In the last year 4 persons were expelled from this new proposed Line and only in one case there was a Statement about what was happening. So it is not a surprise more royalists start to take into consideration the Succession of the Hohenzollerns only now. Destiny is full of irony. ..
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Old 10-25-2015, 04:02 AM
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Indeed what irony. Do you want to avoid the Hohenzollerns and end up endings to them. Who to wronged royalists who watched closer than ever with Nikolae the possibility of restoring the monarchy and suddenly all these be thrown as air.
I'm starting to think that maybe the succession of their Hohenzollerns is indeed the best solution now.
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It is not an option, according the last royal Constitution and before King Michael started to change it all on discutable grounds, the Hohenzollerns simply are the successors. Period. But: we are all talking about a restoration of the monarchy. That will not happen. Not with Medforth-Mills, not with Biarneix but also not with Hohenzollern.
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Obviously you do not know the Romanian realities.
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Old 10-25-2015, 06:11 AM
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Obviously you do not know the Romanian realities.
Trust me. In the European Union, anno 2015, almost 2016, a new monarchy? That will not happen. For sure not while King Michael is at the end of his life, his eldest daughter Margareta has no offspring, his second daughter Elena showns no interest, his eldest grandson Nicholas is barred, his eldest granddaughter Karina shows no interest, his third daughter Irina and her children are all barred, his fourth daughter Sofia shows no interest, nor does his youngest granddaughter Elisabeth and his youngest daughter Maria has no offspring. Well, well... what a prospect!
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It never ceases to surprise me, when monarchists claim the impossibility of restoring monarchies. The Romanian one is not an impossibility at all, but I will say that I see no way at all for the line to pass to any foreign member of the Hohenzollern princely family. They have no connection to Romanian society, the head of the princely family and his heir have made it clear that their family is not interested in the Romanian throne, and that Romania has a RF. Who and how succession will work in that family, can be sorted, and will fall into place, if the institution of monarchy continues to undergo its current renaissance.

If you want to invoke the EU in any way when it comes to the change from republic to monarchy in any member state, I think the most relevant intervention they would make, would be to make it clear that in this day and age, salic law has no place. And H.M the King of the Romanians has a more than large enough family to build succession around, when that day comes.

And I'm fairly sure it will. If you watch Romanian society closely, the winds are blowing in that direction.
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But it is evident that Romania more than any other country is close to the monarchy. But the problem of succession remains unresolved.
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Old 10-25-2015, 06:33 AM
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I suppose that the problem of the succession will have to be settled after the Monarchy is restored (if it will ever be).
I mean, I don't think that - in case of a restoration - it will be just fine to reinstate the old 1923 Constitution and the rules it provided. Most likely everything will have to be rediscussed.
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Old 10-25-2015, 06:45 AM
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I suppose that the problem of the succession will have to be settled after the Monarchy is restored (if it will ever be).
I mean, I don't think that - in case of a restoration - it will be just fine to reinstate the old 1923 Constitution and the rules it provided. Most likely everything will have to be rediscussed.
Hear, hear. I think the comparison can be drawn to most European contemporary monarchies: if for example, something were to happen to the entire RF of a country such as Sweden or Norway, I don't think for a moment one could just import the closest geneological relative from Germany, Denmark or France and continue the monarchy. The very instituion is emotional, and the population needs a bond with their RF, for it to work. That is the job former ruling houses must do, build up that emotional bond again, to eventually be wanted back as reigning dynasties.
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I do agree with you on this point. That's why I'm so skeptical about the Hohenzollern ssuccession. It may be the legitimate one according to the 1923 Constitution, but this isn't enough at all to justify their possible accession to the Romanian throne.
I think it is more likely the scenario of Nicholas Medforth Mills called back by the Romanian parliament (or by whoever will be in charge to decide) to be King of Romania, in spite of his recent exclusion from the succession, rather than the Hohenzollerns called to be Kings of Romania just because the old Constitution said so.
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