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Old 10-30-2015, 03:03 PM
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H.M the King of the Romanians is recognized as a former King regardless of whether a constitution from 100 years ago is active or not. That is the prerogative of former rulers. Furthermore, the Romanian Royal Family is recognized as just that, the family of the King and the representation of the crown in Romania.

I really never knew how much energy was spent by those wanting to restore a monarchy, to discredit those who represent the institution, until I saw these forums. It makes me realize why it's such an uphill battle to change systems of government, when most of the general population does not care or have enough knowledge to make an informed decision if faced with the choice.

I know that I speak the monarchy up in positive terms, at every opportunity I can, and that most people are receptive and interested, when given information they can process however they wish. I also know that whether the Habsburgs or the Karadjordevic would claim the Serbian throne, the Karadjordevic or the Petrovic would claim the Montenegrin throne, the Hohenzollerns or the Romanian Royal Family would claim the Romanian throne, what most people out there care about, is what is realistic. Who do they know, who can they learn to care about, who do they bond with. A monarchy will not be restored in the 21st century unless an emotional and practical bond is made between the pretender and the country.

I know that whomever the Romanian government decide to hand the task to, to form the basis of a future Romanian monarchy, I will support, because I believe in the cause of monarchy.

I guess the most interesting question to those who seem determined to advocate specific causes and undermine others, would be: Will you support the monarchy being restored, despite the monarch not being whom you would had preferred?
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Old 10-30-2015, 03:16 PM
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One can not ignore the 1923 Constitution. Michael von Hohenzollern was "King of Romania" exactly because of that document. His whole existence as former head of state of Romania, the current arrangements between the State of Romania and the former King are exactly because he once was head of state under that Constitution.

What differentiates Michael von Hohenzollern from a Mr X or a Mr Y is exactly that 1923 Constitution. Every one-sided change to the constitutional rules is undermining King Michael's own existence as "former King". If that Constitution is just handled like a piece of paper to wipe someone's derričre with, that is pretty telling about such a person "maintaining the Constitution".

In my opinion, when a monarchy is defunct, then the rules concerning it are frozen. It is really not that difficult. Elizabeth Windsor is Queen according to the very same rules which made her ancestor Victoria Queen. Georg Friedrich von Hohenzollern is head of the former Royal House of Prussia. Karl von Habsburg is head of the former Imperial House of Austria. Both according to the same rules which made that their ancestors Wilhelm II respectively Karl I Emperors. The idea that we should pity them there in Romania or Savoia because the rules are frozen are pretty subjective as we all accept that Carl XVI Gustaf is King while he is the youngest of 5 children, just because his House obeyed the rules which already were followed by the predecessors of the Bernadottes on the Swedish throne.

When defunct Royal Houses start to fiddle with the rules and make their own fantasy arrangements with all chaotic consequences (Romania!), purely to the whim of one person and not backed by any legislative base or body, then this is the best recipe fragmentating and disappearing in obscurity.

The best solution in Romania would be mixing the two conflicting wishes: King Michael's desire to see his flesh and blood at the head of his House vs the arrangements in the very same document he claims his whole existence as King on. Mixing this means: a marriage of Prince Alexander von Hohenzollern with Karina Medforth-Mills or Elisabeth Biarneix. Then both "factions" can be happy.
We cannnot ignore the 1923 Constitution as a historical document because as you say, it made King Michael Head of State as King of Romania in 1927. As a consequence, his current position under the current arrangements is former head of state. This puts him on a par with all other former heads of state under all former constitutions (1866 through 1991), from Carol I to Basescu. I don't see how this can be undermined or changed because it's historical fact.

Today, in real terms, the 1923 constitution has been binned, rejected, consigned to history. It no longer has any legal status in Romania, having been replaced by, most recently, the 1991 version (with amendments). In France, the constitution of the 5th republic replaced that of the 4th. It didn't erase the constitution from history but it did erase it from the present. Just because one acknowledges that a document has passed into history, it doesn't mean that one disrespects it as toilet paper.

King Michael has never presumed to have the right to change any constitution. As his decisions to create his own house, severing links with the Hohenzollerns, and to designate his daughter future head of that house, have no constitutional impact whatsoever, Romania having a republican constitution, he cannot be accused of having changed (or tried to change) any constitutional rules one-sidedly.

He has, however, requested that the succession rules of his house be adopted if Romania should ever decide to restore a monarchy. Adopting the position that the rules are "frozen" at the moment of the abolition of a monarchy creates a major problem. It obliges the heir to defend or maintain the civic rules of a former time - and the social norms that underpinned them - which have since been rejected by the society that made them.

Among many former houses across Europe, from France, through Italy, Saxony, Romania and Russia, we see dynastic disputes between "frozen rules" and "evolved rules" factions, accusing one another of being either outmoded and divisive or whimsical and divisive and suggesting that either by moving with the times or by not moving with the times, the faction in question is damaging the overall cause. On that score, both sides are probably right.
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The proposal of the King will be ignored because in his Line of Succession there are his grandaughters who do not even speak the language and live abroad.

The King issued a Statement saying that his Family and him were close to the families of the ones who had died or had been injured in the last night tragedy in Colectiv Club Bucharest:

http://www.realitatea.net/mesajul-em...v_1821126.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...tiv-death-toll

A normal gesture of the King's Family in such a tragic moment for so many people in the capital..

Maybe at this evening interview at the National Television Princess Margareta will say if she really supports the restoration of Monarchy and who will continue to represent her Family after her.

What happened few days ago really changed the perception of the civil society towards the politicians.

In these difficult and troubled moments it is very important the King's Family could bring hope and reconciliation.
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The proposal of the King will be ignored because in his Line of Succession there are his grandaughters who do not even speak the language and live abroad.
Then I hope you find a German Prince of Hohenzollern who speaks Romanian and lives in Romania, to make your argument valid.
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You really do not answer any questions, Cory, just remain deadlocked in a campaign against the Royal Family. I guess that's answer enough in itself.
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Another tragedy. Just young children who like to enjoy a concert
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Old 11-01-2015, 03:37 PM
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Crown princess Margarita, prince Radu and princess Maria took flowers and candles on Sunday to the memory of the victims of the fire.
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Old 11-03-2015, 07:18 AM
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A normal gesture of the King's Family in such a tragic moment for so many people in the capital..
A terrible and tragic loss of life. It is a kind and caring gesture for the Crown Princess, her husband and her sister to show their solidarity and sympathy with those concerned.
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Old 11-03-2015, 12:10 PM
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A terrible and tragic loss of life. It is a kind and caring gesture for the Crown Princess, her husband and her sister to show their solidarity and sympathy with those concerned.
It's a terrible tragedy that has happened in Bucharest, and it is good to see the Crown Princess, Princess Maria and Prince Radu in a sombre setting of warmth, affection and sadness towards all those affected. Life is often times far too short, and a little kindness goes a very long way.
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What happened few days ago really changed the perception of the civil society towards the politicians.
I don't think it changed it at all, I think it cemented what people already think. The PM resigning was no surprise, after having his time in power marked by accusations and incidents that are not condusive to a democracy, and having resisted calls from the President to resign earlier, he could not survive with the population turning their anger following the dreadful fire, onto him.

What matters now, is that the graceful example of the Royal Family standing vigil with burning lights, showing calmness and warmth, does help to defuse the situation from escalating, and PM Ponta made the right decision for his government to resign, calmly and succinctly.
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Old 12-15-2015, 07:54 AM
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Crown Princess Margarita and Prince Radu spent a few days with King Michael and Queen Anne at her private residence in Switzerland.
Unfortunately, Their Majesties will not travel to Săvārşin the end of this year but Queen Anne feels better and will stay for the holidays, along with King Michael, in the cozy atmosphere of their residence in Switzerland.
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:21 PM
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How nice that after a long time and because natural of christmas saw the queen again.
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Both the former King and Queen look very, very fragile. Best wishes to them.
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Old 12-27-2015, 02:50 AM
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Crown princess Margarita, prince Radu and princess Maria delivered Christmas presents to the staff of the royal house on 16th December.
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Margarita, Radu and Maria spent the Christmas at Săvārșin Castle, photos from various events on 23rd December
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The family has got a lot of Christmas Cards
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I can see it are royal Christmas wishes. The one behind the head of Princess Margareta is sent by King Philippe and Queen Mathilde of the Belgians. The one at the complete left, a white card with a red monogram, looks like a card from Prince Albert and Princess Charlčne de Monaco. The one at the complete right is a card from King Felipe and Queen Letizia of Spain, depticing their daughters Dońa Leonor and Dońa Sofķa.
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[QUOTE=LadyFinn;1851017]Crown princess Margarita, prince Radu and princess Maria delivered Christmas presents to the staff of the royal house on 16th December.
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The presents were from Lidl discount (at least this is what was written on the bags).
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Crown princess Margarita, prince Radu and princess Maria delivered Christmas presents to the staff of the royal house on 16th December.
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Margarita, Radu and Maria spent the Christmas at Săvārșin Castle, photos from various events on 23rd December
Colindători și daruri de Crăciun la Săvārșin, 23 decembrie 2015 _ Familia Regală a Romāniei _ Royal Family of Romania

The family has got a lot of Christmas Cards
Crăciunul 2015, īn familie _ Familia Regală a Romāniei _ Royal Family of Romania
Many Christmas Cards indeed!!! besides those already mentioned above from another poster I believe that the first two cards left belong to Princess Lea of Belgium and the other in the Princes of Liechtenstein.



Without wanting to become boring i missing for all those pictures with Christmas activities the Prince Nikolae oups! sorry i mean Nicolae Medforth-Mills.
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Many Christmas Cards indeed!!! besides those already mentioned above from another poster I believe that the first two cards left belong to Princess Lea of Belgium and the other in the Princes of Liechtenstein.



Without wanting to become boring i missing for all those pictures with Christmas activities the Prince Nikolae oups! sorry i mean Nicolae Medforth-Mills.
The very same thought struck me when I saw the photos. The Crown Princess, Prince Radu and Princess Maria are doing a dignified and good job representing the Royal Family and solidifying the royal presence in Romania, but the energy of youth and future generations is sorely missing without Nicholas. It has been a good addition to the royal presence that Princess Maria has stepped out more this year, she has seemed genuine and warm in all activities she has undertaken on behalf of her family. The only thing that worries me, is the lack of presence from the next generation with the abscence of Nicholas, and that does need resolving in 2016, if the process to revive the monarchy is to continue.
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Many Christmas Cards indeed!!! besides those already mentioned above from another poster I believe that the first two cards left belong to Princess Lea of Belgium and the other in the Princes of Liechtenstein.
Here are the ones I have ID'd.
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Next week, Crown Princess Margarita and Prince Radu make a private visit to Switzerland, where they will spend a few days with King Michael and Queen Anne.
The Royal Family was together in mid-December in Switzerland before the Christmas holidays in Săvārşin. Now, after the holidays, Margarita and Radu will go to Switzerland with presents, cards and messages received by Their Majesties from Romania, during Christmas 2015 and New Year 2016.
During their stay in Switzerland, Their Majesties and Their Royal Highnesses will attend a festive lunch, to which family friends will be invited.
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