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Old 04-21-2017, 07:25 AM
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There have been some significant developments in Romania of late. It has been announced that a judicial appeal is being prepared to challenge the legality of the Romanian Republic and have the 1923 Constitution recognised as the last legal (and therefore currently valid) constitution of the state. The authors of this appeal, the National Convention on Constitutional Monarchy, announced their intentions in a letter to HRH Crown Princess Margareta before Easter and have now made the letter public. In it, they ask for her to publicly clarify her position with regard to their move, justifying their request with the claim that it would squash accusations that the leading opponent of any restoration of the monarchy is the Crown Princess herself. What is more, she is asked and to consider restoring to her nephew Nicholas the rank of Prince of Romania, the style of HRH and his place in the line of succession.
Reports (in Romanian) can be found here.

Acțiune juridică fără precedent a monarhiștilor români: 'Nulitatea absolută a republicii' - Stiri pe surse - Cele mai noi stiri
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Repunerea legală în vigoare a Constituției din 1923

A demonstration is due to be held this Sunday on the 25th anniversary of the King's return to Romania.
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Old 04-21-2017, 09:01 AM
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There have been some significant developments in Romania of late. It has been announced that a judicial appeal is being prepared to challenge the legality of the Romanian Republic and have the 1923 Constitution recognised as the last legal (and therefore currently valid) constitution of the state. The authors of this appeal, the National Convention on Constitutional Monarchy, announced their intentions in a letter to HRH Crown Princess Margareta before Easter and have now made the letter public. In it, they ask for her to publicly clarify her position with regard to their move, justifying their request with the claim that it would squash accusations that the leading opponent of any restoration of the monarchy is the Crown Princess herself. What is more, she is asked and to consider restoring to her nephew Nicholas the rank of Prince of Romania, the style of HRH and his place in the line of succession.
Reports (in Romanian) can be found here.

Acțiune juridică fără precedent a monarhitilor români: 'Nulitatea absolută a republicii' - Stiri pe surse - Cele mai noi stiri
(includes the text of the letter)

Repunerea legală n vigoare a Constituției din 1923

A demonstration is due to be held this Sunday on the 25th anniversary of the King's return to Romania.


Although I'm sure the Royal family would like a restoration is it likely for CP Margarita to publicly announce it & go against the republican government on whose support her & her family's current position relies? Especially when the political situation in Romania is as volatile as it is at the moment?
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Old 04-21-2017, 10:58 AM
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Although I'm sure the Royal family would like a restoration is it likely for CP Margarita to publicly announce it & go against the republican government on whose support her & her family's current position relies? Especially when the political situation in Romania is as volatile as it is at the moment?
I limited myself to reporting the news in my previous post but my personal opinion is that it's not only quite (=very) presumptuous (especially for a bunch of monarchists) to make such requests to the Crown Princess but also strategically very questionable, given, as you rightly point out, the very volatile political situation in Romania, the Princess' clearly preferred approach of working with institutions rather than challenging their legitimacy and the fact that her Father, His Majesty the King, is still alive. I'd have thought they would better serve the long-term interests of the Royal Family (and the Royal cause) by not seeking any endorsement for their move.

As for the request concerning reinstating Prince Nicholas into the line of succession, they are basically asking her to overturn her Father's amendment to the succession to his face and when he is approaching the end of his days.
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:26 AM
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I limited myself to reporting the news in my previous post but my personal opinion is that it's not only quite (=very) presumptuous (especially for a bunch of monarchists) to make such requests to the Crown Princess but also strategically very questionable, given, as you rightly point out, the very volatile political situation in Romania, the Princess' clearly preferred approach of working with institutions rather than challenging their legitimacy and the fact that her Father, His Majesty the King, is still alive. I'd have thought they would better serve the long-term interests of the Royal Family (and the Royal cause) by not seeking any endorsement for their move.

As for the request concerning reinstating Prince Nicholas into the line of succession, they are basically asking her to overturn her Father's amendment to the succession to his face and when he is approaching the end of his days.


Sorry I didn't mean forcing an opinion out of you (especially since we've both seen the Romanian sub forums blow up ever so often) but apart from her father being alive I highly doubt CPM would even consider changing the succession once again. A succession that according to the old constitution that the monarchists propose to bring back is illegal anyway.
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Old 04-21-2017, 11:43 AM
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Sorry I didn't mean forcing an opinion out of you (especially since we've both seen the Romanian sub forums blow up ever so often) but apart from her father being alive I highly doubt CPM would even consider changing the succession once again. A succession that according to the old constitution that the monarchists propose to bring back is illegal anyway.
No worries - I'd understood that you weren't trying to force an opinion out of me :-)

I think once could conceive circumstances in which restoring Nicholas to the succession may happen (if it's proven that he's not the father of the baby and has settled down with a suitable potential consort, for example) but the idea of this pressure group sticking its nose into royal (and potentially state) matters is out of order as well as highly ironic when we remember the legitimist issue, as you say. Let's hope that it all ends well and doesn't turn out to be a stab in the back for the royal cause. If I were the Crown Princess, I'd either ignore it or issue a statement along the lines of "the family is ready to serve in whatever capacity the people want and in compliance with the constitution as defined by the democratic institutions of the state".
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:54 PM
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The request is awkward because they want to have established that the current Constitution is illegal and so the Constitution of the last democratic state of Romania (the kingdom) should be in force. But at the same time they want Margarita to re-instate her nephew Nicholas Medforth-Mills as heir.

This shows a Trumpian lack of depth and preparation. After all: if the Constitution of the kingdom is in force again, Margarita was never a successor to begin with, not to mention the Swiss-born British son of her younger sister Elena. For the rest they "forgot" that King Michael is still alive and is the one in charge, according to the beforementioned Constitution.

Just another vaudeville not doing any good to the monarchist cause.
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Old 04-24-2017, 01:53 PM
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The request is awkward because they want to have established that the current Constitution is illegal and so the Constitution of the last democratic state of Romania (the kingdom) should be in force. But at the same time they want Margarita to re-instate her nephew Nicholas Medforth-Mills as heir.

This shows a Trumpian lack of depth and preparation. After all: if the Constitution of the kingdom is in force again, Margarita was never a successor to begin with, not to mention the Swiss-born British son of her younger sister Elena. For the rest they "forgot" that King Michael is still alive and is the one in charge, according to the beforementioned Constitution.

Just another vaudeville not doing any good to the monarchist cause.
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SONDAY: Do you agree with a referendum on monarchy?

I have proposed this question in the context of the fact that several public figures, some non-politically involved, but also various organizations or parties, put the question of the transition to another form of government - the Constitutional monarchy, with a high level of international representation, Of the non-party balance - this move is to be done through a referendum. But for this, the view is that a national debate should be organized.

Also, over the last decades, the president has become a subject of vehement appeal, the last two heads of state were accused of politicizing the office, and criminal investigations are being carried out against former presidents. In fact, it can be said that for many Romanians, the president is no longer a benchmark of credibility, nor a balance factor, a context in which the historical institution of the monarchy begins to be remembered more and more.

Please note that the survey has proposed a 96-hour vote, with a sample limited to 1,000 votes. No special operations, it was a simple poll, one IP vote. The survey was distributed in neutral groups as well as in groups with options, the broadcasting being equal in number of groups, but unequal as members of the groups - there are fewer monarchs than Republicans.

Despite this, the survey provided a surprising result. Thus, after reaching the 1000-scale scale (in about 3 days), the survey showed the following figures.

- "Yes, we should hold a referendum on the transition to the monarchy", voted 742 people - 74.2% - for "No, we should remain a republic - the president must be elected", 258 people voted - 25.8 %
At the end of the 96-hour period (4 days), the results were:
- for "Yes, a referendum should be organized for the transition to the monarchy" voted 896 people - 71.6%
- for "No, we should remain a republic - the President must be elected", voted 356 people - 28.4%
The survey reveals an unexpectedly great opening for the idea of ​​organizing a serious debate on the theme of the Monarchy, with the possible follow-up steps - the referendum to change the ruling form. We will return to this analysis, because the implications of such a result deserve more analysis from different points of view. We await your messages and proposals, which we will be discussing along with the results of the survey at a meeting of the Center for Orientation and Forecasting.

https://ro.sputnik.md/politics/20170...rezultate.html
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Old 06-21-2017, 02:30 AM
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I feel that the political instability is a rare opportunity to restore monarchy throughout Europe, don't you think this is a golden chance not to be wasted? If you are all in agreement, then I suggest doing anything you can, prayer, protest, formal legal appeal, now is the old guards time I think; what do you think? Romania, Albania, Montenegro, Russia, even Brazil, all have a real chance to restore their Rightful Sovereign Monarchs! This could truly be a Renaissance for monarchy, and I must say, if anyone deserves to be restored to a throne it is His Majesty Michael I of Romania, I pray he lives to see the day.
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I do not think that the problems that cause political instability in some countries will be solved by re-instating a monarchy.
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Old 06-21-2017, 07:08 AM
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I think in countries like Albania, Romania, Serbia, Greece, Montenegro, Russia, Brazil and Portugal would work. In some of these countries there are great monarchist movements. It's wait and see.
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Young people even don't know them. ( I went 2 weeks in Romania)
We saw what happens already in Bulgaria.
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Old 06-21-2017, 05:03 PM
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Young people even don't know them. ( I went 2 weeks in Romania)
We saw what happens already in Bulgaria.
I think that's a very non-nuanced view of 'young people' in Romania and their knowledge of the Royal Family. I could counter that with 'my friends all know of the Royal Family, and in particular, the King, the CP and Nicholas' (which happens to be true), but it doesn't really serve much function to make those statements.
Instead, I think it would be fair to say that most youngsters in most countries don't really give a toss about who is on their throne, or who is their president. When young, you're usually more occupied living life and finding yourself, that who governs, who used to or who might in the future.
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I feel that the political instability is a rare opportunity to restore monarchy throughout Europe, don't you think this is a golden chance not to be wasted? If you are all in agreement, then I suggest doing anything you can, prayer, protest, formal legal appeal, now is the old guards time I think; what do you think? Romania, Albania, Montenegro, Russia, even Brazil, all have a real chance to restore their Rightful Sovereign Monarchs! This could truly be a Renaissance for monarchy, and I must say, if anyone deserves to be restored to a throne it is His Majesty Michael I of Romania, I pray he lives to see the day.
The current situation in Romania politically is a challenge, and when it comes to modern, Western monarchies, their basis of survival is political neutrality and abstaining from participating in controversial processes. I highly doubt a resurrected and successful Romanian monarchy should or could be born through active interference in political processes and being seen as trying to capitalize on political foolishness and mayhem.
Romanian politics is interesting, to say the least, but the monarchy is above that fray. That is the strength of the whole system of governance. It's vital for its legitimate and democratic resurrection that the Royal Family is seen to go about the process in the right way, get people on board and build consensus in the country, before trying to ride the momentum that will naturally build to make a change that will last.

From the last years good work in Romania, and the patient ways of the Crown Princess and those around her to ensure lasting results, I am fairly confident the monarchy will return. Hopefully, sooner than later :)
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