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Old 07-07-2016, 11:07 AM
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This evening at 10 pm (Romanian time) Realitatea Tv will host a debate moderated by Rares Bogdan called "Monarchy, Extreme Emergency".Some of the guests of the debate will be the well known monarchists Marilena Rotaru from the Movement for Kingdom and Crown, Marius Ghilezan, Marius Oprea but also the journalists Ion M. Ionita and Sorin Rosca Stanescu. There will be also somebody from ANRM, an association supporting fully the ideas of Elisabeta Palace.
It's sad that these words are used in conjunction with the monarchy, based on some peoples dislike for progress and change. 'Emergency', 'disaster', 'crisis'.
Certainly most people watching will be thinking that the in-fighting within the circles claiming to support the monarchy returning to Romania, will find it both abstract to speak of enabling the Royal Family to function better and more professionally, cooperating with the government, as a 'crisis' and an 'emergency', and I worry that if this process continues, it will do far more harm than good to the cause of monarchy, and make those who continue to fight against change, frankly look very silly.

It's one thing to feel one has history on ones side, but if one chooses to ignore the realities of today and try to connect with what ordinary people might think and see as the right way forward, there is no way to restore the monarchy in Romania.
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Old 07-07-2016, 02:47 PM
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The debate about Monarchy and the crisis situation generated by the law wanted by Elisabeta Palace in few moments at Realitatea Tv:

Realitatea TV Live | REALITATEA .NET

Except one person from ANRM nobody was really in the favour of the project of law as it is. Even the journalists that were not officially monarchists said the law was not even constitutional.
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Old 07-08-2016, 09:13 AM
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Even the journalists that were not officially monarchists said the law was not even constitutional.
Are they constitutional lawyers? If not, who cares what they think?
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Old 07-08-2016, 09:20 AM
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This project started its public debate. Certainly not only lawyers are called to speak about it but everybody. Journalists and historians can have an opinion too I presume.
In the Parliament where the project will finally arrive not everybody is a lawyer but everybody will have the right to vote it or not.
In order not to lose the time of the deputees and senators this project should be sent first to the specialists in constitutional law in order to say if it is not 100% unconstitutional.
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Old 07-08-2016, 10:47 AM
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In order not to lose the time of the deputees and senators this project should be sent first to the specialists in constitutional law in order to say if it is not 100% unconstitutional.
That is just a delaying tactic in hope that more public debate will ensue and the government and Royal Family becomes unable to make an arrangement.
It would serve no positive purpose, but the law will, and the sooner it passes parliament, the better.
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:00 AM
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The reactions from the public and from the press regarding this project are not very positive but if the law is not constitutional the chapter will be closed in autumn.
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:05 AM
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What are the specific portions of the law that it is being claimed are unconstitutional?
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:16 AM
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The mere thing it speaks about a "Royal House" in a republic or the Parliament recognizing a certain "Head of the Royal House".
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:22 AM
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What is wrong with that? The Portuguese state recognises Dom Duarte as head of the Portuguese RF ánd follows the succession rules; as was last assessed by the legal department of FA on April 17th 2006. I doubt many Portuguese will find this unconstitutional.
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:32 AM
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We speak about different countries,different Constitutions and certainly a different context.
Anyhow only the Constitutional Court can decide which parts of this project are unconstitutional or even if all the project is unconstitutional.
Another project with a different title and content wiuld have been easier to be accepted by everybody.
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:27 PM
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This law bothers some "monarchists" because it will legally recognize the 2007 Fundamental House Rules that were enacted by the King.

Such persons should probably become better informed about the princely family (and its moral character) that they advocate as eventual pretenders.

A good place to start would be by reading the recently released The Hohenzollern Case File by Marco Houston.

http://www.royalty-magazine.com/stor...roducts_id=423

It arrived for me three days ago, and I finished it yesterday. Some of its revelations about the conduct of some members of the Hohenzollern family were rather surprising. I was intrigued to learn from private family correspondence that was published that the late Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm always supported King Michael and his family, including Princess Margarita and her husband Radu.
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:28 PM
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The talent "monarchists" have to derail the progress of the monarchist cause is beyond competition...
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:34 PM
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The mere thing it speaks about a "Royal House" in a republic or the Parliament recognizing a certain "Head of the Royal House".

What specific parts of the Romanian constitution do these passages violate?
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:37 PM
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[...] I was intrigued to learn from private family correspondence that was published that the late Fürst Friedrich Wilhelm always supported King Michael and his family, including Princess Margarita and her husband Radu.
The previous Fürst possibly took the Romanian case for a playful operetta of Lehár, Strauss or Kalmán. Der Zigeunerbaron or Die Csárdásfürstin. That work. He more or less closed his eyes when Mr Duda, without any drop of Hohenzollern blood, used the fancy title Prinz von Hohenzollern-Veringen. His son, the current Fürst, was not very amused and Radu soon left with the tail between the legs when indeed legal actions were started. How the precious Fürst possibly looked to things may be amusing, it is more relevant to learn if the current Fürst and his son, the Erbprinz, do have an opinion or not.
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:48 PM
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The previous Fürst possibly took the Romanian case for an operetta of Lehár. He more or less closed his eyes when Mr Duda, without any drop of Hohenzollern blood used the fancy title Prinz von Hohenzollern-Veringen. His son, the current Fürst was not very amused and Radu soon left with the tail between the legs when indeed legal actions were started. How the precious Fürst possibly looked to things may be amusing, it is more relevant how the current Fürst and his son, the Erbprinz, have an opinion or not.

Actually, until you read the book that I referenced, you will not fully understand the complex dynamics that have developed in this family. Obviously, the current Fürst has his own opinion of his cousin Princess Margarita's spouse. However, Karl along with Paul and Lia Lambrino were involved in quite a nasty hatchet job (that heavily relied on doctored documents, which is why their case imploded) on Radu via a libel lawsuit against Royalty Magazine.

The late Fürst did not "close his eyes" to Radu using the Hohenzollern name, since he himself issued the Urkunde that made this possible, this after writing to his cousin Michael to confirm that he saw fit to grant such a name to Radu. In fact, Friedrich Wilhelm invited King Michael, Queen Anne, Princess Margarita and the then Radu Duda to Sigmaringen in 1998. Based on his actual correspondence with the King, the late Fürst displayed warm familial feelings, which were always reciprocated...at least, until the rupture that is discussed in The Hohenzollern Case File.

Once you read the book, you will comprehend that this rupture was not desired by the Romanian Royal family or by the late Fürst; the current Fürst seems to have had his own agenda, though.
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For those that believe Furst Karl had never been interested in any way in Romanian matters it is quite a surprise to fond out the contrary.
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Yes, Fürst Karl was very interested indeed in cooperating with Paul and Lia Lambrino, who are now heavily investigated by the Romanian authorities for several serious crimes.
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Furst Karl has nothing to do with the Lambrinos trials. He obviously did not want either his surname to be associated with the son of a Romanian left wing politician.
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:13 PM
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Furst Karl has nothing to do with the Lambrinos trials. He obviously did not want either his surname to be associated with the son of a Romanian left wing politician.

You are perhaps not informed of the matter to which I am referring. The then Erbprinz Karl was quite involved with the Lambrinos during the course of a drawn out legal case between Prince Radu and Royalty Magazine. It eventually was determined that many of the documents that the aforementioned trio had submitted to the court as evidence were in fact forgeries.
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We are speaking here about the restoration of Monarchy not about the Lambrino family.
The cause of Monarchy was not certainly damaged by Furst Karl.
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