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Old 06-01-2016, 04:44 PM
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The opinions of a single person hardly represent the majority of the Romanians. The polls in recent years suggested the popularity of the King but not more than 30 % of the people were in favour of Monarchy.
Yes, this is true. Nonetheless it is the opinion of a Romanian citizen, which I believe we have never had before and these insights are always interesting.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:09 PM
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Every opinion is important but we have to acknowledge the polls too.
Each time I spoke about realities or articles presented by some of Romanian royalists there were people here that offended me only because they did not like what they heard. Now all of the sudden the opinion of a single person is rellevant. Interesting enough.
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:21 PM
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The crown is back on the symbols of the country:

Camera Deputaţilor a adoptat proiectul care modifică stema ţării - Mediafax
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Old 06-16-2016, 05:57 PM
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After a meeting with the King's eldest daughter, the leader of the left wing party announced a project to give a legal recognition of the "Royal House" in the Romanian republican laws. This event was obviously not received well at all by the monarchists that want the restoration of Monarchy not a role of the King's Family in the republic:

VeŸti proaste pentru monarhiŸti: 'Asistƒm la sfârŸitul monarhiei. Se formeazƒ a treia republicƒ' - Stiri pe surse - Cele mai noi stiri
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Old 06-16-2016, 06:01 PM
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Open Letter "This, Your Royal Highness, is not possible" of the most important royalist Romanian leader, Mrs Marilena Rotaru (Movement for Kingdom and Crown), to Princess Margareta regarding the projects to have a deal between the King's Family and the republican authorities regarding a role of this Family in the republic:

https://www.facebook.com/marilena.ro...95330460539594

A passage from this Letter:"Nici o negociere care ar subordona Coroana republicii ilegale și ilegitime nu poate fi explicată și, mai ales, scuzată. Orice pas n această direcție este un sacrilegiu și o ntinare a memoriei tuturor romnilor uciși, torturați, n nchisorile comuniste. Orice gest pe această cale contrazice tot ceea ce Majestatea Sa Regele Mihai a transmis prin cărțile lui Mircea Ciobanu, prin interviurile acordate mie și altor jurnaliști de-a lungul a douăzeci și cinci de ani, și trădează, impardonabil, dimensiunea morală a Regelui. ("No negociation that would subordinate the Crown to the illegal and not legitimate republic can't be explained or especially excused. Any step in that direction is a sacrilege and a lack of respect to the memory of all the tortured and killed Romanians in the comunist prisons. Any gesture on this way contradicts everything His Majesty King Michael transmitted through Mircea ciobanu's books, through the interviews given to me and other journalists during 25 years and betrays in an unforgiven way the moral dimension of the King")
Sistemul actual, strns unit printr-o politică a corupției, dorește liniște prin eliminarea de pe agenda publică a subiectului monarhiei, prin ceea ce, scribii obedienți au numit ”instituționalizarea Casei Regale. ("The nowadays system, very united in a politics of coruption, wants silence though the elimination from the public agenda of the subject of Monarchy with what the obedient scribes called "the institutionalisation of the Royal House").
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Old 06-16-2016, 06:03 PM
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The Romanian prime minister is in favour of a law to define the role of the King's Family in the republic and he has contacts with the King's Family on this issue at the request of this Family:
Ciolo™ îi ia fa›a lui Dragnea cu privire la Casa Regalƒ | DC News | De ce se intampla
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:39 PM
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Fantastic. The monarchists have abysmally failed to get any sort of traction for a restoration of the King over the last decades. It is good news that the Royal House might have found a solution to guarantee its having some sort of permanent position in the national life.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:47 PM
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The King has always wanted the restoration of Monarchy but the King is too frail to oppose his Family's project. The real royalists will clearly continue their pacific battle for the restoration of Monarchy without having much in common with the King's descendants.
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Old 06-17-2016, 03:28 AM
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I think it is realised that the restoration of the monarchy in Romania is very unlikely ever to happen. The Royal Family of Romania have, nonetheless, done good work for their country and have developed an important role there. Having that work and role formally recognised within law is a good thing. No, it is not complete restoration, but it the closest I think we will get to it.

King Michael has created Crown Princess Margareta the Custodian of the Crown, he would surely have every confidence in his eldest daughter making decisions that are best for the family.

It is understandable that the monarchists will not be happy with such a compromise, because their interest is limited to "restoration" rather than what might be best for the country as a whole.
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:19 AM
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The royalists want the restoration of Monarchy being sure that's in the best interest of the country.
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:53 PM
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The restoration would be the best. But defining the role of the Royal House today is a start.
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I agree with Blog Real.

Romania is a democracy. Only a minority of Romanians want a restoration. In that context, this outcome is a good one.

This is better than other royal families in Europe got.
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The King's Family want a recognition from the republic?Why?
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So the usual nasty members of King Michael's family are trying to sabotage the restoration of the monarchy - supposedly against the will of the King himself - by trying to reach an arrangement with the even more nasty and illegitimate Republic of Romania.
Besides, hasn't King Michael already reached an arrangement with the Republic of Romania, which recognized him a certain role and certain benefits and prerogatives, in 2001?
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The King's Family want a recognition from the republic?Why?
Because that is the wisest thing to do. Look at the Greek royal family or the Savoias, both were even barred from entering their former countries until an agreement was reached. Better an agreement with the republic than being an exiled nobody.

Note that Henri d'Orlans served in the French army, that Aimone di Savoia-Aosta served in the Italian navy, etc. Look at the former German royal families. All of them have made an agreement with the German State and all of them have been compensated for the loss of former prerogatives or possessions. Some of them still receive compensation money anno 2016, for an example the Bavarian royal family!

The Romanians are on a dead track too regarding the succession. Now King Michael is still alive, make arrangements before it is too late! Dreaming does not bring bread on the table.
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Old 06-19-2016, 02:07 PM
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Because that is the wisest thing to do. Look at the Greek royal family or the Savoias, both were even barred from entering their former countries until an agreement was reached. Better an agreement with the republic than being an exiled nobody.

Note that Henri d'Orlans served in the French army, that Aimone di Savoia-Aosta served in the Italian navy, etc. Look at the former German royal families. All of them have made an agreement with the German State and all of them have been compensated for the loss of former prerogatives or possessions. Some of them still receive compensation money anno 2016, for an example the Bavarian royal family!

The Romanians are on a dead track too regarding the succession. Now King Michael is still alive, make arrangements before it is too late! Dreaming does not bring bread on the table.
Arrangements for the interests of a Family but not of the Monarchy.

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So the usual nasty members of King Michael's family are trying to sabotage the restoration of the monarchy - supposedly against the will of the King himself - by trying to reach an arrangement with the even more nasty and illegitimate Republic of Romania.
Besides, hasn't King Michael already reached an arrangement with the Republic of Romania, which recognized him a certain role and certain benefits and prerogatives, in 2001?
The King is too frail to really get involved in this story.

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I agree with Blog Real.

Romania is a democracy. Only a minority of Romanians want a restoration. In that context, this outcome is a good one.

This is better than other royal families in Europe got.
Outcome is good for what?Not for the Monarchy!

Very interesting article of the orthodox priest Fr.Marcel Radut Seliste regarding the "republican institutionalisation of the royal House":

Instituționalizarea republicană a Casei Regale - un răspuns pentru domnul profesor Alexandru Muraru | ActiveNews

What future of the royalist ideal now?

Viitorul ideii monarhice în România în cumpănă
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Outcome is good for what?Not for the Monarchy!
It's a good outcome for the Royal Family.

Let's face it: only a minority of Romanians want a monarchy. A full restoration is simply not going to happen unless the political situation changes dramatically.

In a situation such as this, the Royal House would typically just fade into obscurity. Look at the Savoys, the German Hohenzollerns, the French royal families and now even the Habsburgs. Their members may be wealthy and have neat histories, but they are just common citizens.

Further, King Michael's children (except Princess Margareta) unfortunately have not really done much of anything to merit a restoration, and even she married Radu, who I understand is not very well liked. So the fate of the Royal House of Romania would not be promising.

Despite this, and even though Romania has no real need for yet another high-level government position (it has a head of state, a head of government, etc. already), the Royal Family is about to be given official recognition and large salaries. The Royal Family is guaranteed officially-sanctioned prominence and wealth. If the Royal Family is savvy, even though restoration is very unlikely, it could use its new official position as a launching pad to getting more and more duties.

We also need to remember that royal duties change. The British Royal Family has a very different role now than it did 100 years ago; the Swedish royal family has been reduced to a purely ceremonial job with no power at all; and other royal families have seen similar reductions in their power and influence. Romania's Royal Family should view this as a further evolution of their role--but despite the tide of history, it's a strengthening of its position.

If I were Princess Margareta, I'd be happy with that.
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Old 06-19-2016, 03:06 PM
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Obviously this Family does not really seem very interested in putting the restoration of Monarchy on the first place.
To be envolved in the life of the society they do not need a law but a law in the republican legislation just subordinate them to the republic. It is of course their choice and the people must understand this. The royalists should continue their campaign for the Monarchy on their own supporting the Hohenzollerns.
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So now you are advocating an entirely new monarchy in Romania based on finding a member of the Hohenzollern family willing to take the Romanian throne, after having it offered by a majority of Romanian politicians, and finding support among a majority of Romanians? This is so cloud cuckoo land that it's pointless to take serious.
There is only one way the monarchy can be restored in Romania, and that is to actually restore the Royal Family. The process of starting that would be to formally acknowledge their current role, and find an appropriate place for them to exist within, in the state of Romania today.
From there, the Royal Family can re-establish their bonds with Romania, a process they are well underway with these days, and when the King passes away, more sentiment will flow to the Crown Princess and the future of the Royal dynasty, and more people will be aware of their presence.

There is no way, none what so ever, to establish a brand new monarchy in a European country today, if you overlook Belarus (where the 'Presidents' son is being groomed as heir), based on fetching an heir from another country to take over a throne that is abolished, in an existing republic. It simply will not happen.

The ONLY way to establish monarchies in democracies today, is to restore existing Royal Houses to the function they once held, that they are educated and prepared for, and that the population feel or can be made to feel a connection with.

If you're a friend of the monarchy as an institution, I really would advocate realism. The more strength we can put behind the one way forward which has some possibility, the more chance it stands.

Dividing support for the same cause is just counterproductive and pointless.
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The royalists advicate to restore the Line of Succession to the role before 1947. To be a part of the republican regime as an institution is completely the opposite.
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