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Old 05-24-2016, 06:29 PM
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It is certainly true the King has been more and more popular in the last years but only who does not fully know the Romanian realities can deny the campaigns organized by the royalists especially in the last few years. The fact there is not a royalist important party does not mean there are not royalists in the parliament.
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It is certainly true the King has been more and more popular in the last years but only who does not fully know the Romanian realities can deny the campaigns organized by the royalists especially in the last few years. The fact there is not a royalist important party does not mean there are not royalists in the parliament.

You hide behind the term "Romanian realities" like it is some kind of stealth shield, when in *reality* it just tends to mask your own lack of knowledge on a subject.

You do not deny that there has not been an *organized* monarchist campaign in Romania.

Even the Brazilians, who were dealing with a dynastic split, did a better job than the Romanians have of facilitating in 1993 a constitutional referendum that had the restoration of a monarchical system as an option.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:06 PM
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You hide behind the term "Romanian realities" like it is some kind of stealth shield, when in *reality* it just tends to mask your own lack of knowledge on a subject.

You do not deny that there has not been an *organized* monarchist campaign in Romania.

Even the Brazilians, who were dealing with a dynastic split, did a better job than the Romanians have of facilitating in 1993 a constitutional referendum that had the restoration of a monarchical system as an option.
Try to respect the Romanian royalists even if you do not seem to recognize all their campaigns.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:39 PM
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Try to respect the Romanian royalists even if you do not seem to recognize all their campaigns.
You continue to meet any other poster with the same meaningless words, that nobody but you knows the 'Romanian realities', or at least that nobody who doesn't agree with your views du jour does, and it continues to surprise me that every fact, question or point made is always overlooked completely, so that you can insert your very own favourite phrase: 'You do not know the Romanian realities'. How good it would be if we could move past that at some point, sooner rather than later.

The current momentum and sentiment in Romania is certainly on the side of the Royal Family, who as Benjamin, and Duc previously, have said, have not had the fortune of having any kingmaker, or even an organized campaign to restore the monarchy on their side. No monarchy can be restored without that assistance, and it might be true that the best solution at this point, is to allow for a process à la Montenegro to take place. The old age and illness of the King is part of a natural process that always adds affection towards a person and sometimes the institution represented, but as that doesn't last, it is usually a good idea to make decisions for times to come when you have the people you need, on your side.

Maybe some of the royalists won't get all they would want at this point, but the Royal Family has been very clear; they're here to serve, in whatever capacity people want them to. People elect politicians, politicians decide and if they decide a Montenegrin solution is the right call at this point in time, I do not see that it will harm neither the Royal Family itself, nor the cause of the monarchy. As was said about Montenegro, it's a restoration by stealth, and whether or not it progresses from there at some later stage, is again up to the work of the Royal Family and the will of the people (politicians).

Only a few years ago, the 'Montenegrin solution' was an unknown creation, and who knows what that is some time from today. The best way forward for any Royal Family who wishes to contribute to the country that they once ruled/reigned over, is to find a way to work with politicians and civil society to contribute positively in the lives of ordinary people, and at some stage, maybe a Kingmaker appears or a process takes place that leads to something more.

It certainly wouldn't be a good look for the Royal Family to be offered a place in society and decline it, even if it is within a republican framework. It's more than most former royal families are allowed, and a good way of showcasing what monarchy is like and what it can do for the nation.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:06 PM
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Indeed. When Princess Margareta and her sisters are wise, they hurry to make arrangements about the use of (former) House properties and a semi-official recognition of the position of the former Royal House, eventually with an apanage. Now the momentum is with them. Soon the well-willing sentiment will fade away.
Hardly encouraging for the royalist cause.
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Old 05-25-2016, 09:37 AM
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Constitutional monarchy is a good thing, but someone who married into a former royal family and who demands 4.5 million euros per year is not helping the cause.
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Old 05-31-2016, 10:28 AM
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It will be interested to see the impact of MRR in the public opinion. Obviously ANRM lost some of its supporters recently.
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Old 05-31-2016, 01:30 PM
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I went 2 weeks in Roumania for mud treatements (I did not like).

The Royals are absolutely unknown by young people. They are modern with smartphones etc...I asked to our Roumanian guide what was her opinion.
She said it is too early for that.
She said also that Nicolas having a child out of wedding was a remembering for King Michael for what is own father King Carol II did.
One Child before his wedding , a Child while he married Princess helena of Greece (himself), and Children when he was still married and after Magda L.
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Old 05-31-2016, 05:31 PM
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Certainly it is really too early.
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Old 05-31-2016, 06:25 PM
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I went 2 weeks in Roumania for mud treatements (I did not like).

The Royals are absolutely unknown by young people. They are modern with smartphones etc...I asked to our Roumanian guide what was her opinion.
She said it is too early for that.
She said also that Nicolas having a child out of wedding was a remembering for King Michael for what is own father King Carol II did.
One Child before his wedding , a Child while he married Princess helena of Greece (himself), and Children when he was still married and after Magda L.
Thanks Maria-olivia.
King Michael must concern for the future of his royal house and this future was Nicolae and don't drive out him because remembering something his father did before how much? 90 or more years???
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Old 05-31-2016, 06:45 PM
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Mr Nicholas Medforth Mills can't be compared in any way to his great-grandfather.
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Agree!! We are in 2016 and not 1920!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-31-2016, 07:09 PM
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It is not only a question of historic period but of two very different persons from all points of view.
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:09 PM
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Our Roumanian guide explained : no word about King Michael in her history books at School.

The old King may remember his Father 's bad attitude and how his mother Queen Helena suffered.
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The King knew his only hope to gain popularity for his family was his grandson.
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The King knew his only hope to gain popularity for his family was his grandson.
Do you have any source or reference for this alleged insight into the mind of His Majesty?
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Do you have any source or reference for this alleged insight into the mind of His Majesty?
"The Romanian realities, that you obviously don't know."
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:00 AM
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I wanted giving on this board the Opinion of a multilanguage Romanian Guide of 70 years old which to me is much important than threads from Rome Dublin etc..

This was a first test.
She gave me more important informations about the Romanian Royal Family, il will never write on this board. Amen
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Old 06-01-2016, 03:54 PM
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The opinions of a single person hardly represent the majority of the Romanians. The polls in recent years suggested the popularity of the King but not more than 30 % of the people were in favour of Monarchy.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:01 PM
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I wanted giving on this board the Opinion of a multilanguage Romanian Guide of 70 years old which to me is much important than threads from Rome Dublin etc..

This was a first test.
She gave me more important informations about the Romanian Royal Family, il will never write on this board. Amen
I would remind you that you rarely can tell where someone is from by looking at what city or info they have given in their profile on a forum. If that was the case, this forum has members from anywhere between Heaven and Christmas Island. If people take the time to contribute to specific country forums over time, it is safe to assume that they are at least connected to Romania, if not Romanian themselves.

The opinion of one person that you refer to is interesting, but no more valid than the opinions of anyone else with insight, information or, as you say, opinions. The more interesting fact you refer to earlier, is how little knowledge is among young Romanians about the monarchy and the Royal Family. Despite that fact, the monarchy is supported by around 30% of the population as of the latest poll. Imagine what that number would be with more knowledge of the strengths of constitutional monarchy, and the presence of an actual Royal Family in the country today.

It is safe to say that the young are often more disinterested in things that don't directly affect them. However, these numbers clearly show that the republic has failed, that faith lies with people and institutions not directly connected with politicians and that is an added factor in the campaign for the monarchy and its restoration in Romania.

Knowledge is power, and the more knowledge one can spread about the benefits of monarchy to the governance of a country, the easier the process of restoration will be.
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