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Old 03-18-2016, 09:55 AM
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The republican authorities must be delighted about the situation that exists now. The King's Family has a semi-official role but the republic is strong.
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:38 PM
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The republican authorities must be delighted about the situation that exists now. The King's Family has a semi-official role but the republic is strong.
I really don't understand the point of, or the facts behind, this statement. Where is your evidence that the republic is strong, and that 'republican authorities' are delighted?
The King has a very high standing among Romanians, the Crown Princess is highly respected and the Royal Family attends functions, acts in cooperation with the government wherever appropriate and thoroughly acts the way a constitutional monarchy functions.
It's not the job of the Royal Family to actively push a restoration. It's their job to be visible in public, make sure their standing grows and make the thought of a systemic change be at the forefront of peoples minds.

The Romanian republic is fairly weak, with low support among the public and a high degree of discontent, corruption and nepotism rampant at every level. I would personally say that since the return of the King after the revolution, the Royal Family has not enjoyed a stronger standing than it does now and is on the rise in the eyes of many Romanians.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:29 PM
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I would personally say that since the return of the King after the revolution, the Royal Family has not enjoyed a stronger standing than it does now and is on the rise in the eyes of many Romanians.

Thanks to the Crown Princess, in my opinion. And the she was nominated woman of the year in Romania means she's not disliked or an unknown quantity, as some like to imply, but someone people hold in high regard and that is influential. She's everything a future Queen should be.
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:36 PM
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I really don't understand the point of, or the facts behind, this statement. Where is your evidence that the republic is strong, and that 'republican authorities' are delighted?
The King has a very high standing among Romanians, the Crown Princess is highly respected and the Royal Family attends functions, acts in cooperation with the government wherever appropriate and thoroughly acts the way a constitutional monarchy functions.
It's not the job of the Royal Family to actively push a restoration. It's their job to be visible in public, make sure their standing grows and make the thought of a systemic change be at the forefront of peoples minds.

The Romanian republic is fairly weak, with low support among the public and a high degree of discontent, corruption and nepotism rampant at every level. I would personally say that since the return of the King after the revolution, the Royal Family has not enjoyed a stronger standing than it does now and is on the rise in the eyes of many Romanians.
Is there any reason to believe that the restoration will help to decrease or eradicate nepotism/corruptions/ other societal woes? What will the systemic change bring to Romanians? Romanians executed Nicolae Ceaușescu and his spouse for nepotism, corruption, etc. Nowadays, there is still "... low support among the public and a high degree of discontent, corruption and nepotism rampant at every level". Nothing seems to changed under the new democratic government. I am sceptical about the stories of former communists sabotaging new Romania.
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Old 03-19-2016, 05:17 AM
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It is extremely importat they do not mention only people from the last version of the "line" proposed by the King.
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Old 03-19-2016, 07:35 AM
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It is extremely importat they do not mention only people from the last version of the "line" proposed by the King.

Your comment is impossible to understand. Who are "they"? in what context? Why (in your opinion)?
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Old 03-20-2016, 12:04 PM
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We were speaking about the statemet of one of the leaders of MRC.
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Old 04-08-2016, 01:57 PM
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Two newspapers report the latest poll concerning support for the royal house and the reinstatement of a monarchy in Romania.

SONDAJ - Monarhia pierde teren după retragerea Regelui Mihai şi excluderea Principelui Nicolae - Stiri pe surse - Cele mai noi stiri


SONDAJ Cât teren a pierdut monarhia în România după abdicarea Regelui Mihai | adevarul.ro

Those with a positive or very positive image of the royal house is at 44.5%, compared to 42.9% in September last year.
Those with a bad or very bad impression has dropped to 12.9% from 16.3% six months ago.

The remaining 41.8% are in the neither good nor bad or don't know categories.

It seems fair to conclude that the positive image of the royal house continues to grow.

With regard to reinstatement of a monarchy, support has fallen from 29.1% to 24.5% in the last six months. A further 22.2% don't know (up from 18.3%). Those who support a republican form of government has risen slightly from 52.5% to 53.3%.

So, while support for the republic remains fairly constant, voters seem to be having more doubts with regard to a monarchy.

Concerning the image of the Crown Princess herself, 39.7% have a good/very positive image and 13.4% a bad/very bad one with the remainder "don't knows" or "neither good nor bad".
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Thanks for the information Andy T.

It's an interesting set of results and would be good to get and update on them if they do a poll in a few months time.

I suppose the results can be interpreted in a variety of ways. It seems the royal family are well like by a good proportion of the population, but that they are happy with the status quo in remaining a republic. I think that's fair enough considering the royal family do have a public role, if not a constitutional one.
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Old 04-08-2016, 02:31 PM
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That is a normal poll. Many republicans will like Don Felipe de Borbón or Elizabeth Windsor and have a good approval of them but asked about the form of state, will opt for a republic. A good approval of a person does not automatically translate in support for a monarchy.
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The support for the Monarchy is less strong because of what happened after august 2015.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:25 AM
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The support for the Monarchy is less strong because of what happened after august 2015.
Interesting - where have the results of that poll been published?
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:07 PM
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That is a general newslink, which does not show the polls to which you are referring at all.

I would assume you are however referring to SONDAJ - Monarhia pierde teren după retragerea Regelui Mihai şi excluderea Principelui Nicolae - Stiri pe surse - Cele mai noi stiri - the most recent polls conducted, referenced earlier in this thread. They show a 4,6% drop in support for the monarchy, after the events surrounding Nicholas M-M and the illness of H.M the King. As a comparison, the monarchy in Norway tends to suffer a 10% fluctuation whenever there is strong criticism of a specific event, down for a while, then back up when the storm calms. That is a natural reaction of people who are unsure about recent events, and in this specific case, I would say it is miraculous that the monarchy hasn't taken a heavier blow following the uncertainty of the line of succession. I would just add that the removal of Nicholas M-M from the proposed line of succession should in no way change the views of the Romanians when it comes to the monarchy, because as you have said over and over, Romanians are not in favour of the Royal Family in Romania continuing, but would instead wish for a new Hohenzollern Prince taking over as King, when that time comes, right?

Seems inconsistent to me.

The poll further shows that the Crown Princess is seen as great/good by 40% of the population, while 40% have no firm view on her. Only 14% have a negative view of the Crown Princess and Custodian of the Crown. Could you find any elected official with such numbers? With the exception of a few, I think you would struggle to even find a royal anywhere with that kind of support.

The Royal House of Romania is seen as great/good by 44% of the people, 37,7% have no firm view and 12,9% have a poor or very poor view of the family. I don't think it's even necessary to compare these numbers to those of other monarchies around the world. They are almost above any monarchy currently in existence.

The King is sick, and the one seen as the future heir is currently in a state of limbo in Romania, and the support for the monarchy is down 4,4%. I must say, to manage to spin that as a negative story for the monarchy, is a feat in itself.

These numbers are themselves reason enough to keep working towards a monarchical restoration in Romania. They show enormous potential, and a clear path forward for the monarchy, if the right actions are taken and the right combination of activity, visibility and discretion is chosen.

However, if Nicholas M-M was today a visible presence in Romania and in the Royal Family, the standing I believe would go through the roof. But that being said, what would it matter, as long as you say he shouldn't be the heir anyway?
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When compared to some of the cataclysmic scandals that have been whipped up by the media here in the UK, I agree entirely with LadyRohan, that the poll results are less damaging than they might have been.

Still, was there a question relating specifically to the change in the proposed line of succession?
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:40 PM
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When compared to some of the cataclysmic scandals that have been whipped up by the media here in the UK, I agree entirely with LadyRohan, that the poll results are less damaging than they might have been.

Still, was there a question relating specifically to the change in the proposed line of succession?
There was not. The poll asked three questions, about views of the Royal House generally, the Custodian of the Crown and the views of monarchy vs. republic. Nothing else was singled out for a question, and the poll reveals no background for the answers given, so we are none the wiser factually as to what would explain the rises in the standing of the Royal House and the Crown Princess, except the support for a restoration, which shows a slight drop of 4,4%.
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Any chances for a quick restoration of Mobarchy are vanished.
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Any chances for a quick restoration of Mobarchy are vanished.
*Was* there a chance for a quick restoration in Romania in recent years?
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Any chances for a quick restoration of Mobarchy are vanished.
Glad to see you're once again out to quash anything positive concerning the monarchy in Romania. The only times 'quick' systemic change takes place, is in the contexts of revolutions and coups, and neither are benefitial to monarchies. In fact, they're contrary to its very nature, and not something to strive for.
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Romania has been a stable country for many years now and the likelihood of a quick restoration via some sort of coup or revolution was never on the cards as far as I can see.

I think the status quo will be maintained unless the popularity of the royal forum becomes such that it would make sense to restore it!
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