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Old 10-31-2015, 07:04 PM
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If a Royal Family is supposed to be a reflection of the country over which they reign, then it would be important for the Romanian Royal House to remain Orthodox, as they are required to do under the 1923 Constitution.

Over eighty percent of Romanians belong to the Romanian Orthodox Church.

The only suitable candidate for royalist Romanians who desire a monarchical future for their nation is Prince Nicholas (né Medforth-Mills), the only son of Princess Helen.
To ask anybody to have a certain religious affiliation in nowadays Romania is against the laws of the country.
Last year the Romanians refused to vote for an Orthodox politician to become head of State and chose a Lutheran.
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Old 10-31-2015, 09:03 PM
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To ask anybody to have a certain religious affiliation in nowadays Romania is against the laws of the country.
Last year the Romanians refused to vote for an Orthodox politician to become head of State and chose a Lutheran.
However, we are not speaking of the nowadays laws of the country.

The Constitution of 1923 is the basis for this discussion about the succession.

Under it, the Head of House must be male and Orthodox. Period. Full stop.
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Old 10-31-2015, 11:37 PM
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If old house rules matter then no changes. If you can change it for religion, you can change it to allow women and marriages to commoners. You can't say someone is not acceptable because they are female, which is highly offensive generally in Europe; and then say that another man is acceptable even though he is the wrong religion cause that rule is archaic and changeable. Both are archaic. You can't pick and choose; if house rules are changeable for one then they are changeable period.
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Old 11-01-2015, 04:22 AM
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" Wrong religion"? Carol I was Catholic and he built the modern Romanian state,Ferdinand I was Catholic and united the Great Romania.

The Romanians have two historic religious traditions: Catholicism and Orthodoxy. There were Catholic King's and very important ones. Nobody would respect today a man that changes his religious affiliation only to become King. Nowadays Romania is not XVIth century France.
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Old 11-01-2015, 04:35 AM
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Paris vaut bien une Messe. (Paris is worth a Mass). People change religion for less than a throne.

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Old 11-01-2015, 04:55 AM
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This is all purely theoretical, Catholic, Orthodox and whatever.
My stance is:

- the monarchy will not be restored in Romania

- the Romanian branch of the House Hohenzollern will become extinct with the former King's daughters

- the headship of the former Royal House will simply fade-out as neither the families Von Hohenzollern, Medforth-Mills and Biarneix have shown real interest in it and will continue to live their private lives outside Romania
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Old 11-01-2015, 05:07 AM
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This is all purely theoretical, Catholic, Orthodox and whatever.
My stance is:

- the monarchy will not be restored in Romania

- the Romanian branch of the House Hohenzollern will become extinct with the former King's daughters

- the headship of the former Royal House will simply fade-out as neither the families Von Hohenzollern, Medforth-Mills and Biarneix have shown real interest in it and will continue to live their private lives outside Romania
Ok this moment things seem just that. But my stance is that you never know what will happen in indirect or direct future. We must in romania is our issue to try to keep the idea of restoring the monarchy possible. This had somehow succeed with Nikolae but you never know ......
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Old 11-01-2015, 10:08 AM
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Forget Nicholas. He will date a nice girl somewhere, start a family and career. His house will have some family portraits. There will be some royal porcelain and silverware here, maybe a diamond rivière there and that was it.
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Old 11-01-2015, 10:54 AM
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The number or royalists are growing so we shall see whom they support in the near future as Pretender.

After King Mihai it is the risk the royalists will support different Pretenders.

It is true there are at least these two groups of royalists. It seems the ANRM is in favour of the descendants of the King.

There are more and more royalists in favour of the Hohenzollerns but no important royalist group will publicly support Prince Karl until the King is still among us.

For the Romanian royalists the purpose is to restore the Monarchy and even those who officially support the descendants of the King know the reality. Many respect too much the King to contradict him so only at the moment of the Succession of the Sovereign we shall see who stii supports his descendants.

The royalists do not want to disagree with the very old King but very few will continue to support the King's Family when the King win't be anymore.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:22 AM
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Forget Nicholas. He will date a nice girl somewhere, start a family and career. His house will have some family portraits. There will be some royal porcelain and silverware here, maybe a diamond rivière there and that was it.
I hope Nicolae to read it. He described the future and even his home

Cory it is very important that the royalists to show support whom.
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Old 11-01-2015, 01:52 PM
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After King Mihai it is the risk the royalists will support different Pretenders.
Don't they already do? Some royalists consider themselves legitimists (seeing the Fürst and the Erbprinz von Hohenzollern as successors) and some royalists consider themselves michaelists, seeing Princess Margareta as the Heiress.
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Old 11-01-2015, 07:49 PM
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Are there any royalist groups that actively support the Prince of Hohenzollern as successor to the King?

I have not seen mention of any in Romania, and, normally, such a thing would receive coverage of some sort.

The issue is that Prince Karl Friedrich has openly stated that he is not interested in pressing any claims in Romania.
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:24 PM
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There are more and more royalists in favour of the Hohenzollerns but no important royalist group will publicly support Prince Karl until the King is still among us.
There is no evidence of this, and seeing what else the press, politicians and prominent Romanians have said about the King before, I doubt his being alive is a factor in whom they support. The facts are that there is no established support for any other faction than the Romanian Royal Family, which does not negate that there are individuals who feel differently.

As always however, it is a question of what is realistically possible. It seems to me the monarchists in Romania are aware of this, and support continuing the monarchy from the current Royal Family, to make sure the monarchy can be restored without having to establish a new Royal House, with the conflicts, discussions and debates that will undoubtedly include.
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Old 11-02-2015, 04:42 AM
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That is my impression too. The royalists know the King has taken a cul-de-sac with his adventures regarding the succession, but are too polite to disagree with him, as long as it is all nothing more than theoretical free-wheeling.
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Old 11-02-2015, 06:48 AM
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The King is an old man,spent several in life, I believe that we all respect him without doubt. But is this an excuse to support him in all these wrong movements that have done and have cost the monarchy; (Probably)
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Old 11-02-2015, 08:42 AM
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Even if a lot of people would not accept some of the decisions taken by the Sovereign since 1996 very few will criticize him openly. Many prefer to criticize other members of the King's Family especially his son in law .
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:29 AM
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Oh yes the Prince Radu will always be easy victim for any attacks. And in the future when Margareta will be the head of the royal house will be more. Now if these attacks are fair or unfair like seeing someone . I have no comment
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Old 11-02-2015, 11:37 AM
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Even if a lot of people would not accept some of the decisions taken by the Sovereign since 1996 very few will criticize him openly. Many prefer to criticize other members of the King's Family especially his son in law .
Eya is absolutely right. The attacks on Prince Radu are cheap, unkind and most often based of twisting facts and assuming knowledge of the thinking of another person. And in all fairness, they are usually done by the same, few people(s), who for some reason, find it fair to assault the character of someone who is warmly and strongly supporting his wife and the family he was married into.
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To be honest, Radu Duda has made himself an ideal target for attacks by all the controverses and the discutability surrounding his person. From the outlook it looks like Nicholas Medforth-Mills was "sent away" for having shady contacts or something but these were nothing, compared with the unclear and shady actions by uncle Radu.

The man has a good nose for PR and will never stop promoting the interests of the monarchy but he himself is not for nothing the ideal target for criticism.
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Unfortunately this reality influences quite a lot the perception of the people about the King's Family.
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