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Old 12-19-2014, 06:34 AM
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Still the question remains why this downfall of more than 40% within afew months...?!
I wouldn´t even expect that after a major scandal. Either the postulated 66 or so % were a false proclamation or...what...?! I´m mystified.
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Old 12-19-2014, 10:43 AM
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Of course, a lot depends on who commissione the polls, who and how many were the persons interviewed, what questions exactly were asked.
I can see very easily a huge amount of positive response to the question "Do you like/ trust in King Michael?" but very different results if the question is "Would you like to have the monarchy restored?"
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Old 12-19-2014, 07:54 PM
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The position of the Royal Family regarding the issue of the Restoration convinced many royalists it's useless to ask for Monarchy.
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:05 AM
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The position of the Royal Family regarding the issue of the Restoration convinced many royalists it's useless to ask for Monarchy.

It is the role of a royalist in a republic to push for the restoration of their monarchy. The royal family should stay out of the political arena as much as possible. Even so, the royal house has made it clear multiple times that they believe the King and his family have a function to perform in the country.


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Old 12-20-2014, 10:20 AM
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The position of the Royal Family regarding the issue of the Restoration convinced many royalists it's useless to ask for Monarchy.
King Michael, as terrific as he is, does seem to have been more passive than necessary re: a possible restoration.

When Romanians demonstrate in the streets in favor of monarchy, does he show up? No.

Did he play any role in 1989 or when subsequent constitutional debates have taken place? No.

Does he advocate for monarchy? No, other than saying, "if the people want me, I'll return," which is passive.

With that, how could anyone expect a restoration? The Hohenzollerns must have been more proactive in the 1800s when they originally got the throne. I've never gotten a new job without pushing hard for it, and the same applies to the job of King.
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Old 12-20-2014, 11:57 AM
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What could have said the new elected President to the ex-King ??
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:49 PM
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King Michael, as terrific as he is, does seem to have been more passive than necessary re: a possible restoration.

When Romanians demonstrate in the streets in favor of monarchy, does he show up? No.

Did he play any role in 1989 or when subsequent constitutional debates have taken place? No.

Does he advocate for monarchy? No, other than saying, "if the people want me, I'll return," which is passive.

With that, how could anyone expect a restoration? The Hohenzollerns must have been more proactive in the 1800s when they originally got the throne. I've never gotten a new job without pushing hard for it, and the same applies to the job of King.

Had King Michael acted in such a way, it is unlikely that he would have been allowed to return to his country. The previous Romanian governments made it difficult enough for him to visit after the fall of Communism. The King and his family have been wise about how they have conducted themselves - the Romanian people would be responsible for restoring the monarchy if that is what was truly desired.


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Old 12-20-2014, 01:21 PM
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I agree with the assessment that King Mihai is passive in the royalist cause. It is mainly thanks to unstoppable efforts of Princess Margarita and her spouse that the Royal House has not sunk away in obscurity.
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Old 12-20-2014, 04:21 PM
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Had King Michael acted in such a way, it is unlikely that he would have been allowed to return to his country. The previous Romanian governments made it difficult enough for him to visit after the fall of Communism. The King and his family have been wise about how they have conducted themselves - the Romanian people would be responsible for restoring the monarchy if that is what was truly desired.


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Pre-1997 or whenever (when the government forbade them from returning), sure, it was good to be silent. But the King should (1) be more present in the country- at least spend most all of the time there, rather than only a few months a year, (2) be more present at public events and (3) have others who advocate for restoration if he isn't willing to do it himself.


If I lost my job and people were demonstrating in the streets for me to get it back, I'd sure be at those demonstrations!

He should also treat the Royal Family's activities like a political campaign. If he wants to be restored, he needs to have a game plan, advisors and a pathway to doing so, just like politicians have.

King Michael is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful person and as his actions while he was King show, he's not a wimp. He could do more, and given polls showing how popular he is, he has a huge amount of goodwill among the people that would help him accomplish what we all want.
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Old 12-20-2014, 05:35 PM
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Please remember HM is 93 and somewhat frail and the Queen isn't well. Margarita and Nicholas are doing a good job of being publicly active.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:08 AM
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The new generations are not so popular as the King.
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Old 12-23-2014, 09:59 AM
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The position of the Royal Family regarding the issue of the Restoration convinced many royalists it's useless to ask for Monarchy.
The position is as fair as it can be. They are very wise that they are not pushing on this matter, otherwise the monarchy it will look like an impose one (almost like the republic was imposed by Russians at the end of WW2)
But the Royal Family is very active on charity, diplomatic events etc. Those are more visible than any propaganda
The moment all romanian royalist is waiting is near.


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Old 12-25-2014, 09:20 PM
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The position is as fair as it can be. They are very wise that they are not pushing on this matter, otherwise the monarchy it will look like an impose one (almost like the republic was imposed by Russians at the end of WW2)
But the Royal Family is very active on charity, diplomatic events etc. Those are more visible than any propaganda
The moment all romanian royalist is waiting is near.


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Old 12-26-2014, 03:17 AM
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How do you know is near?
I don't. I just feel it based on some logical arguments.
1.In Romanian Constitution it is written that the president should be non political (neutral) and a referee between parties and institutions. But he was not. We are a semipresidential republic meaning we have a president and a prime minister who run the executive power. President is elected by electors and the prime minister is invested by president from the party or coalition who has the majority in Parliament. After the president is elected he lose the party membership and should remains neutral
But all the presidents after 1989 acted like party presidents not like nation presidents. They always promoted the party who supported them in election to accede the power and run the executive power and meantime using all the ways and influence to break the Parliament majority and create a new majority for the party which actual president was the member before. From this point of view always in Romania was a political war stage and people had enough. They want stability. This war had negative impact also in economy and other areas
2. All presidents have a view as corrupted people. Because all of them has used the influence to make their families or their election sponsors to accumulate wealth
Monarchy have grew in all these last 25 years from an under 10% to over 30% because many and many is seeing monarchy as the alternative of stopping all above and not only. And please take into account that all this grow was made in conditions that monarchy does not have any support from the mass media. Each new president and all the actions and corruption he brings diminished the support for actual republic format and grew support for monarchy as alternative.
This is why I say monarchy is near
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Old 12-27-2014, 06:44 PM
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I don't. I just feel it based on some logical arguments.
1.In Romanian Constitution it is written that the president should be non political (neutral) and a referee between parties and institutions. But he was not. We are a semipresidential republic meaning we have a president and a prime minister who run the executive power. President is elected by electors and the prime minister is invested by president from the party or coalition who has the majority in Parliament. After the president is elected he lose the party membership and should remains neutral
But all the presidents after 1989 acted like party presidents not like nation presidents. They always promoted the party who supported them in election to accede the power and run the executive power and meantime using all the ways and influence to break the Parliament majority and create a new majority for the party which actual president was the member before. From this point of view always in Romania was a political war stage and people had enough. They want stability. This war had negative impact also in economy and other areas
2. All presidents have a view as corrupted people. Because all of them has used the influence to make their families or their election sponsors to accumulate wealth
Monarchy have grew in all these last 25 years from an under 10% to over 30% because many and many is seeing monarchy as the alternative of stopping all above and not only. And please take into account that all this grow was made in conditions that monarchy does not have any support from the mass media. Each new president and all the actions and corruption he brings diminished the support for actual republic format and grew support for monarchy as alternative.
This is why I say monarchy is near
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The new president is very popular while the support from Monarchy seems to be around 20%.
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:44 PM
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The new president is very popular while the support from Monarchy seems to be around 20%.
Yes indeed. But always was like that. The popularity of new president was very high because the expectations are very high. The people hopes that new one will repair what old one has broken
Always was like that. And this is the reason of the popularity
But in the next 6 months this new one will start to broke also(all the predecessors did the same).

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Old 12-28-2014, 01:36 PM
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Is nothing new. Look at Obama. Or look at my country: François Hollande is the most impopular president ever, yet the majority has chosen him once...
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Old 12-28-2014, 03:32 PM
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Don't you think that once they, presidents, get in that seat of power and have a taste of that, then they forget who put them there and forget what is expected of them. This seems to be the way of presidents elected, yet with a monarchy ie. QE11 of England, she has never forgotten her position in life and has worked very hard for the people. I think that this would be the case in Romania as they, the royal family, has continued to work for the people.
I am very disgusted with my government, be they republican or democrat for they are all doing the same thing, blaming each other for the same problems that they themselves have created.
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Old 12-28-2014, 03:55 PM
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True.
The royal family works for the nation. Presidents works mainly for the sponsors from campaign

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How will be the popularity of the King's Family when he won't be in this world anymore?
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