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Old 08-20-2013, 12:46 PM
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Dear Argie,
It is obvious that you are not really familiar with the social and political arrangements in Romania and why should you be-but in this case you shouldn't make statements regarding our establishment or what Romanians deserve or not.
First of all-up until 1996 and even later, if you declared yourself openly a monarchist in Romania you could risk loosing your job or being looked at with suspicion-the "Securitate" hasn't disappeared with the so-called revolution-so it was very appropriate for King Michael to leave his grandchild to live his life in England and not drag him in a very unstable Romania. He did wisely to wait for Nicholas to reach the age of 25 and then involve him in the Romanian life.
Romanian language is a difficult language with complicated grammar and a specific pronunciation so I should says that Prince Nicholas is doing alright and he will be better as he spends more time in Romania.

By the way, just listen to your future kings, Prince Charles and William(i.e. of Canada) speaking one of the official languages(French)!! Or try to make a conversation with them in French!!
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:05 PM
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Cory, Benjamin, Andrew, MarelneKoenig:

I am trying to respond to all your comments with a synopsis.

I am for monarchy. All for it. But I am very careful and selective for the following reasons:
1. a monarch, even the most horrible one, cannot be easily removed. It is therefore necessary, when restoring a monarchy that has been forcefully removed (with external help, as was the Romanian one), to consider carefully the options.
2. King Mihai was very limited in his actions as a King, very young and a mere victim of history and communism. He did the best he could at the time. He maintained his dignity and his family's dignity and the dignity of Romania's monarchy under dire circumstances, for decades, during his exile. However, since re-entering the wild socio-political scene in Romania he has committed errors that have diminished my respect for him. Not once has he decorated or dined with controversial political personalities of the Romanian scene, among which some are proven collaborators of the repressive "Securitate" or, at best, nobodies of the moment.
3. Prince Nicolae's lack of any Romanian links until the age of 27 proves, once more, that he did not intend to serve Romania, but saw that an opportunity arose and took its chance.
4. no matter how much one desires a restoration of monarchy to replace the opportunistic and corrupt political class, one cannot gainfully replace it with another opportunistic lot. That would really not solve the problem, just add to it.

Looking at Romania's history, one may conclude that the country had two great kings indeed:
King Carol I
King Ferdinand
They gave Romania what no other leaders could even dream of.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:25 PM
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HM the King meets different personalities including politicians off all parties and represents the symbol of reconciliation.

HRH Prince Nicolae visited Romania in 1992 together with HM the King and was very welcomed by the Romanians. He loves His country and He will surely be a good King.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:34 PM
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I understand what your point is, but still cannot agree with it.
The only problem IMO is that monarchy is about continuity and the Romanian monarchy was brutally ended in 1947 and the 66 years that have passed since seem to be a gap that cannot be surpassed. Maybe if in 1990 or 1992-when 1 million people came to the streets to greet king Michael-monarchy was restored, things could have been different and by now we would have a more united and more Romanian royal family...but history has its own ways...
I think that in the present circumstances the immediate royal family adds something positive to the Romanian public life and they really try to do their best and really seem to care about Romania and Romanians.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:42 PM
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Yes, monarchy is about tradition, continuity and dignity. Look at the British one, through all the inherent scandals, they remain strong and dignified. I think that they represent a standard to match. I believe that dignity is the value that's most needed in a country that has been trampled over by external and internal forces. But we will see.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:05 PM
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...3. Prince Nicolae's lack of any Romanian links until the age of 27 proves, once more, that he did not intend to serve Romania, but saw that an opportunity arose and took its chance.
Absolutely ridiculous statement about Nicholas. He did not have succession rights until a few years ago, until the King changed the family law. The family was raised in exile, and not with a lot of money, by the way. He did not grow up in an Romanian speaking household. His grandfather did not speak Romanian to his daughters. Give the young man credit for having to make great changes in his life - and it was a decision that he made .. for he became the heir only at age 25. I certainly heard him speak Romanian when I was there in 10-11.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:33 PM
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Absolutely ridiculous statement about Nicholas. He did not have succession rights until a few years ago, until the King changed the family law. The family was raised in exile, and not with a lot of money, by the way. He did not grow up in an Romanian speaking household.
You call "ridiculous" the expectation that the future monarch of a country speak its language and be trained to rule the country? I do not. Those are the minimum expectations I have, as a subject, from my own royals.
And if you would care to get an overview of the recent history of the royals of Romania, you would see that:
1. Princess' Margarita's husband, Radu Duda, was approved by the King as the potential heir, along with his wife. He received no title, thanks god, because he was involved in various scandals and subsequently announced his candidacy for the presidency, thus wiping out any link between Romanians and a future, very slight to begin with, hope of restoration. So that plan did not work.
2. Prince Nicolae is given a title. But he has never lived in Romania until last year, has never spoken the language, until last year and has never wished nor planned to be part of Romania, again, until last year.

These people are trying to restore a monarchy in a country where barely a 15% - that is IF you trust the polls - want monarchy back, in a country with deeply rooted communists, a deeply rooted communist mentality and dominated politically and economically by them.
While I respect their social involvement and initiatives, they either have to find better PRs and counselors or give up playing politics for good.
They will just have to do much better than that.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:23 PM
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The only alternative to Nicholas is to let the dynasty become extinct.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:24 PM
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...if you would care to get an overview of the recent history of the royals of Romania, you would see that:
1. Princess' Margarita's husband, Radu Duda, was approved by the King as the potential heir, along with his wife. He received no title, thanks god...
2. Prince Nicolae is given a title. But he has never lived in Romania until last year, has never spoken the language, until last year and has never wished nor planned to be part of Romania, again, until last year.

These people are trying to restore a monarchy...
You obviously know far less about the Romanian royals than I do ... because I do know a lot about them and I know them. You do realize that until 1989, no member of the royal family could visit the country. It was a struggle to return and to win back property. It took years for Michael to make the decision to change the succession - we had several conversations and correspondence about this matter - he was adamant that he could not change the succession.
I presume you know Prince Radu well. Not. Actually, he was created HRH Prince Radu of Romania by the king at the time of the change to the succession. Nicholas had to make several hard decisions. He was not the heir while growing up. He had to make several difficult decisions in the past few years - he only received the title of Prince of Romania at the age of 25.

No one is trying to restore the monarchy ... that will be left to the will of the people, but there is a good percentage of the population with a sincere interest. Margarita and Radu play prominent roles in society, host events during state occasions - and welcome foreign visitors, including foreign royals to the Elisabetha Palace. They celebrate Christmas at Savarsin. Members of the Romanian royal family do not campaign for restoration. King Michael is now treated as a former head of state by the country.

In the past two years, Nicholas, who also needs to work, has thrown himself into increasing number of royal duties, including representing his aunt the Crown Princess.

After meeting Prince Radu, I have found him to be charming, erudite, well-educated (his brother is a doctor in the US), well-informed.
It is one thing to assume. It is another to actually know. I have chatted with several members of the family in the past few days, and I last saw Margarita and Radu in Belgrade at the royal palace as we all attended the state funerals for King Peter, Queen Alexandra, Queen Marie and Prince Andrej.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:32 PM
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Princess' Margarita's husband, Radu Duda, was approved by the King as the potential heir, along with his wife. He received no title, thanks god, because he was involved in various scandals and subsequently announced his candidacy for the presidency, thus wiping out any link between Romanians and a future, very slight to begin with, hope of restoration. So that plan did not work.
Please, for the sake of posters who may visit these forums seeking out accurate information, stop speaking out of ignorance.

King Michael NEVER named his son-in-law as a co-heir with Crown Princess Margarita. The king granted Radu the HRH style and ad personam title of Prince of Romania to correlate with his being married to the eldest daughter and immediate heiress of His Majesty. Prince Radu possesses NO dynastic rights; only descendants of King Michael can accede to the Headship of the Royal House.

Again, please check your sources before trying to pass off biased and incorrect statements as fact.
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:35 AM
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Princess Elena's son came for the first time in Romania in 1992 but he became Prince only three years ago. He speaks Romanian much better than His own mother and he represents a hope for the future of Monarchy in the country.

The Royal Family HAS ALWAYS said Monarchy represents the tradition of the country. Very many times both the King and Crown Princess Margareta spoke about the Restoration and said They were ready for that.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:17 AM
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After all these years, I have only just started to read about the royal family of Romania and have found it all very interesting indeed.
The life of Prince Nicolae is extraordnary and is almost like a fairytale, except it is an ordinary young man who has become an HRH and moved to his ancestral country to do his best for the people whom one day he might reign over!
Whether Romania becomes a monarchy or not is obviously up to the people of this enchanting country, but nonetheless it is so nice that the royal family workhard to promote and do what they can for their country and they are a valuable asset to them!
It is a shame that the officia royal website has no English pages.
With regard to Nicolae himself, he seems like a very presentable man, clearly keen to carry out his duties and do his best for Romania. I hope he does NOT lose weight as I do not think he needs to - he dresses very smartly and looks cool. I hope he manages to get to grips with the language - must be difficult!

Sending best wishes to our Romanian friends here on TRF.
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Old 08-21-2013, 05:22 PM
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Prince Nicolae really improved his Romanian in the last year and is indeed very present in the public life.
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:39 PM
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Please, for the sake of posters who may visit these forums seeking out accurate information, stop speaking out of ignorance.

King Michael NEVER named his son-in-law as a co-heir with Crown Princess Margarita. The king granted Radu the HRH style and ad personam title of Prince of Romania to correlate with his being married to the eldest daughter and immediate heiress of His Majesty. Prince Radu possesses NO dynastic rights; only descendants of King Michael can accede to the Headship of the Royal House.

Again, please check your sources before trying to pass off biased and incorrect statements as fact.
Thank you for this post.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:35 PM
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I can't believe that someone passing themselves off as a know it all is actually openly taking on someone who is one of the more well known and respected Royal Correspondents out there. Talk about a losing battle.

Marlene, I've been a fan for many years and learned a lot from you as well. Never thought I'd get the chance to actually thank you though. :).
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:31 AM
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I can't believe that someone passing themselves off as a know it all is actually openly taking on someone who is one of the more well known and respected Royal Correspondents out there. Talk about a losing battle.

Marlene, I've been a fan for many years and learned a lot from you as well. Never thought I'd get the chance to actually thank you though. :).
I am also a Marlene Koenig fan. Thank you Marlene for sharing your incredible knowledge as well as personal insight regarding King Michael and his family.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:55 AM
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I suppose the Romanians know better than anybody else their own Royal Family!
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Old 08-30-2013, 04:04 AM
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Prince Nicolae, volunteer at The Stone Film Festival :

Principele Nicolae al României, voluntar la Filmul de Piatra
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HRH Prince Nicolae of Romania defends the environment and stands against the Rosia Montana project :

Principele Nicolae: Trebuie s
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HRH Prince Nicolae of Romania received together with his aunt the volunteers of the Princess Margareta Foundation and the old people helped by the Foundation at Elisabeta Palace:

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