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Old 12-04-2015, 01:47 PM
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Wartenberg7, Prince Albert is more royal than the former king of Romania which is now a republic, this royal family of Romania has no power, the king does not reign . Prince Albert of Monaco is reigning and governing what the other Kings ou Queens of monarchies of Europa are not doing, they are only reigning. Prince Albert has 2 illigitimat children, King Albert II has a illigitimat girl, Prince Bernard , prince consort had 2 illigitimat girls
For me, it is funny to read that a prince who has a out of wedlock child cannot be the chief of a royal family (a royal family and not the head of the state because Romania is a republic)
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Old 12-04-2015, 03:12 PM
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Wartenberg7, Prince Albert is more royal than the former king of Romania which is now a republic, this royal family of Romania has no power, the king does not reign . Prince Albert of Monaco is reigning and governing what the other Kings ou Queens of monarchies of Europa are not doing, they are only reigning. Prince Albert has 2 illigitimat children, King Albert II has a illigitimat girl, Prince Bernard , prince consort had 2 illigitimat girls
For me, it is funny to read that a prince who has a out of wedlock child cannot be the chief of a royal family (a royal family and not the head of the state because Romania is a republic)


I was not talking about powers, responsibilities etc. but about protocol. I´ve learnt that Pcss Caroline only became a "Royal Highness" since she got married to Prince E A of Hanover. None of the Grimaldis is a "HRH" by birth, nor the sovereign prince a "Majesty".
And yes, an ex monarch during the napoleonic time was much more "royal" than "His Imperial Majesty Napoleon, Emperor of the French", who was an usurper and crowned himself, although Master of at least two thirds of europe at the time. The only way to be "royal" is to get married into a royal house or to be born into it!

Talking about "reigning" and "governing", Prince Albert´s duties cover those comparing a Mayor of european cities like Manchester, Naples, Hamburg or Munich (note that Monaco is about as bis as the "English Park" in Munich...).
Although he is "governing" the influence of, for instance the british Queen, head of a former world power and still head of the Commonwealth, is much bigger!
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Old 12-04-2015, 03:41 PM
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It is just a rumour:
- Nicholas has connections with criminals;
- Nicholas is homosexual;
- Nicholas has fathered a child outside marriage;
- etc.

"Prince Albert is more royal than King Michael" is really nonsense. I am sorry.

The daughters of King Michael have a dazzling royal ancestry. They really belong to the most royal of all royals around, with full blue-blooded quarters.

PARENTS
- King Michael of Romania, Prince von Hohenzollern
- Princess Anne de Bourbon de Parme

GRANDPARENTS
- King Carol of Romania, Prince von Hohenzollern
- Princess Helena of Greece and Denmark
- Prince René de Bourbon de Parme
- Princess Margaret of Denmark

GREAT GRANDPARENTS
- King Ferdinand of Romania, Prince von Hohenzollern
- Princess Marie of Edinburgh (granddaughter of Queen Victoria)
- King Constantine of the Hellenes, Prince of Denmark
- Princess Sophia of Prussia (granddaughter of Queen Victoria)
- Prince Robert de Bourbon de Parme, Duke of Parma (brother of Empress Zita of Austria)
- Maria Antonia de Bragança, Infanta of Portugal (daughter of King Miguel of Portugal)
- Prince Valdemar of Denmark (granddaughter of King Christian IX of Denmark)
- Princess Marie de Bourbon d'Orléans (daughter of Prince Robert, Duc de Chartres)

GREAT-GREAT-GRANDPARENTS
- Prince Leopold, Fürst von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
- Antonia de Bragança, Infanta of Portugal
- Prince Alfred, Duke of Edinburgh
- Maria Alexandrovna Romanova, Grand-Duchess of Russia
- King George I of the Hellenes, Prince of Denmark
- Olga Konstantinovna Romanova, Grand-Duchess of Russia
- Friedrich, German Emperor and King of Prussia
- Princess Victoria, The Princess Royal
- Prince Carlos III de Bourbon de Parme, Duke of Parma
- Princess Louise de Bourbon, Princesse d'Artois
- King Miguel of Portugal
- Princess Adélaïde of Löwenstein-Wertheim-Rosenborg
- King Christian IX of Denmark
- Princess Louise of Hessen-Kassel
- Prince Robert de Bourbon d'Orléans, Duc de Chartres
- Princess Françoise de Bourbon d'Orléans, Princesse de Joinville
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Old 12-04-2015, 04:41 PM
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The Royal daughters received a bad education, married communors , divorced etc...
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:05 PM
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The Royal daughters received a bad education, married communors , divorced etc...
The Princesses actually received a good education but -despite their immense ancestry- they came from a poor and impoverished royal family in exile. It seems monarchist supporters had to pay for their education.

Princess Margarita:
- boarding school for girls in Old Basing (Hampshire, UK)
- Lycée Français in Lausanne (Switzerland)
- University of Edinburgh (Scotland), reading sociology, politic sciences and international law

Princess Elena:
- École Maternelle in Switzerland
- Effingham House private girls prep and boarding school (Surrrey, UK)

Etc.

And tja... their marriages... when I say on these boards I prefer "proper" marriages like Philippe & Mathilde, Guillaume & Stéphanie, Georg Friedrich & Sophie, above the Letizias, the Máximas and the Mette-Marits, then I am slashed down as a fossil and a relict.
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:09 PM
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Is it a disadvantage to be divorced? Should the stay together when there is no base to live together? Should the marriage only exist on paper?

Is it a disadvantage to marry commoners? Royal-Commoner-marriages have gotten usual nowadays!
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:16 PM
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Wartenberg7, The Kings and Queens of the monarchies of Europa have a big country but they have no power, they are only parading but it is their prime minister who is governing Prince Albert has a tiny principality but he is governing and reigning ,he has more power than all these Queens or Kings who are called ' your Majesty' for the protocol and prince Albert is called ' Monseigneur' and princess Charlene is called ' votre Altesse Serinissime' Princess Caroline who is called ' votre Altesse Royale' is placed after her brother and her sister in law.


King Michel of Romania has perhaps a good pedigree but he is no more reigning, as we are saying in France, he is a king of Pacotille.


What is matter now is what you are doing in a country, a president of a republique who is a head of state, a prince who is governing and reigning as the prince of Monaco and the prince of Liechenstein and after the Kings or Queens who are reigning as Queen of England or king of Spain or queen of Denmark.


King Philipe of Belgium is very criticed because he was in Thalasso during the week end when the level of security was very high, but he could stay in France during this week end as the prime minister of Belgium said it, it was the governmant who was governing , taking all the décisions, he could not do a speech, the country did not need of him.


For the former king of Romania, he has no more power, Romania is a republic
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:21 PM
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The Royal daughters received a bad education, married communors , divorced etc...
The environment in which the five princesses were raised may have something to do with the current status quo. The King and Queen were not in the most ideal circumstances when they began their family. Michael and Anne did not have much in the way of financial resources, they ended up moving quite frequently in the first few years of their marriage and they had a difficult time finding "meaning" in their new roles.

Queen Anne explained this time of constant transition in Anne of Romania: A War, An Exile, A Life: “The wound of being cut off from our country [Romania] was harsh and deep, especially for my husband. That was why we kept changing towns and countries, moving from one house to another. We could not manage to settle permanently anywhere at first, because we were searching for ourselves, searching for a place and an identity; we were looking for a place with which we could feel in harmony...It took the King almost ten years to find himself again...Our first three daughters grew up with a father who was gentle, fair and loving, but very quiet, serious and sad. When Margarita, at the age of four, asked why her father was so sad and quiet, I told her he was upset because he had lost his country. Our children knew this right from the beginning, even if they had to grow up a little before they could understand the situation properly.”

Her Majesty further confessed: “Around the beginning of the 1950s, the King and I began to face up to the problem of our inability to adapt to the society around us...At that time, we were both very sad, and I had begun to be full of bitterness. My husband’s reaction was to close in on himself; mine was to become bitter. We began to go out less often than we had before, because we had no doubt that most of the time he was invited only for his name, and not for who he was himself. Organising a dinner around a king was just a way of making a good impression in society. And so we withdrew.”

During the beginning of their time in Switzerland, Michael and Anne, as well as their daughters, presumably, became involved with Frank Buchanan (who died in 1961) and an organization he had created known as the Moral Rearmament Movement, which was based in Caux, not far from the family’s home in Versoix. Through Frank Buchanan, Michael and Anne became close friends with the British tennis player Bunny Austin and his wife, the former Phyllis Konstam, who acted in several Hitchcock movies. The Queen remembered that Bunny and Phyllis saved she and the King from “a terrible loneliness,” and that the Romanian royal family’s experience of Moral Rearmament was that “it was an initiative which greatly enhanced us from a spiritual point of view.” This may all very well be true, and perhaps Moral Rearmament ultimately had a beneficial impact on King Michael, Queen Anne and their family.

However, actress Glenn Close, who was involved in Moral Rearmament as a result of the involvement of her father, Dr William Taliaferro Close, with the organization, had a different take on the movement. Recently Close disclosed what it was like to grow up at the MRA’s Swiss headquarters. Close referred to MRA as a cult, and of Frank Buchanan she had this to say: “I haven't made a study of groups like these, but in order to have something like this coalesce, you have to have a leader. You have to have a leader who has some sort of ability to bring people together, and that's interesting to me because my memory of the man who founded it was this wizened old man with little glasses and a hooked nose, in a wheelchair.” Glenn Close also recalled what life was like at the MRA headquarters: “They had a big hotel, a very glamorous, exclusive hotel called Mountain House, which I think is in one of Fitzgerald’s novels. [They] made it into one of their world headquarters, and we stayed there for two years...You basically weren't allowed to do anything, or you were made to feel guilty about any unnatural desire. If you talk to anybody who was in a group that basically dictates how you're supposed to live and what you're supposed to say and how you're supposed to feel, from the time you're 7 till the time you're 22, it has a profound impact on you. It's something you have to [consciously overcome] because all of your trigger points are [wrong]." Close’s disclosures into what she deemed a cult causes one to wonder exactly how positive was the involvement of the King and Queen of Romania with MRA, and what lasting effects this exposure to a controversial organization might have had on their family and personalities.
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:47 PM
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It has nothing to do with power to classify who is more royal, otherwise Putin would be Tsar and Obama an Emperor.... The Mayor of Nice (7 x more inhabitants than the principality) has more power than the Prince. Let us remain realistic. Without supplies from Electricité de France, without the trains of the SNCF, without the assistance of the French Gendarmerie Navale, without the monetary system of the French banks, etc. the principality would come to a standstill. The position of Prince Albert is only accepted because his influence is minimal and his 5.000 real "subjects" are happy with him.
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Old 12-04-2015, 08:34 PM
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With other words: nice that they have some estates back but do these gain income -and if yes- is this not entirely needed for the upkeep of the estates?
Given that the family self-funds its activities in the public sphere, which are not infrequent, one could conclude that the income the family derives from its 20,000 hectares and other properties is in excess of what it costs to keep up their estates.
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Old 12-05-2015, 04:51 AM
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Duc and Pair, you forget that Russia and Usa are a republic and yes if Usa and Russia would be a monrchy, Putin and O Bama would be tsars and king of these countries but it is not the case, a bad answer from you. Monaco is independant since 1279 and we are in Europa and other countries depend from other countries for electricity or gaz or petrol, without these energy , the economies of these countrires would fail as Monaco, bad answer. don't compare the mayor of Nice to the prince of Monaco, there are élections in Nice every 5 years and the mayor of Nice is changing. the prince of Monaco is the prince sovereign for the life. Monaco is a very little principauty but it is rich, this principauty has a very good economy as the Liechenstein . Italia and the South of France are very happy to have Monaco near them because a lot of workers are working in Monaco, there are common projects for the building of the roads or there are common projects , and Monaco is paying a lot of money and it is not the towns of the South of France which are paying all these projects in common because they have no money. Monaco also receive old persons in their homes for old persons and also the children who have no more parents to look after them, or children in the children gardens and so... South of the France is depending of Monaco and not the contrary nowadays in this times of economic crise. the inhabitants of Monaco are 35000 and not 1000, bad answer Principauty of Monaco is tiny but a lot of countries would love to have a so good economy as Monaco.


At the XX century, we saw a lot of big monarchies who fell, as the empire of Austria with the Habsbourg, the empire of Russia with the Romano, the monarchies of Romania, Yougsalavia, Italia of Germania of Bulgaria and The little principauty of Monaco is still there with their prince and the family of Grimaldi.


Prince of Grimaldi have more power than other Kings or Queens of other monarchies, he can delet the national concil as prince Rainer did in 1959. the other Kings or Queens depend of their parlamiant , it is not the case of the prince of Monaco.


For Romania, I don't understand why prince Nicolas is no more the future head of the family, I think that the prince Radu is hoping to be the future head of the family because his wife is also ill. this man is ambitious
It was the same case with the family of Orléans, the former count of Paris made heirs his two grandsons , sons of the prince Henri . Prince Henri son of the former count of Paris left his wife and children and married again with a wife that his father wanted not to see. At the death of his father, prince Henry came back and was count of Paris, chief of the family of France.
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Old 12-06-2015, 07:25 AM
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A defense of the monarchy in Monaco is always a good thing, and it's good that a sovereign Prince who I'm sure is close to knowing most of his subjects in person is popular, but I suppose it's helpful if this thread returns to the issues surrounding King Michaels grandson, Mr. Medforth-Mills, whos removal from royal succession caused a slight stir in Romania earlier this year.
If the latest rumours are true, it would unfortunately explain the actions taken by the King. In no way do I defend them, as they strike me as just as silly, or overreacting, as most others, but the King is an old man, from an old world, and seen in the light of his own struggles with his own half-brother etc, he would probably fear this could cause damage further down the line with regards to royal succession. If the monarchy was to be restored with Nicholas as King, he would have an illegitimate child older than potential legal ones, and this is not easily dismissed in royal circles.
Could this had been handled differently without the expulsion of Nicholas? Yes. The fact that it wasn't, points to either the breaking of promises to his family with regards to children and family, or a possible lack of honesty after the fact.
In all fairness, we simply don't know if this latest rumour is correct, but it does fit with the language used by the King and his spokesperson after the expulsion, and with a certain royal pattern of worry for illegitimate children, both in Romania and in other current and former monarchies.

As for the Prince Radu hate-train, seriously, get off it. There is no evidence whatsoever to implicate sinister motives from neither the Crown Princess nor her husband in this difficult situation, and I can see no reasons why a childless couple in their 60s would hinder a proper succession in future generations, when their stated goal is the restoration of the monarchy in Romania.

Sometimes it's useful to break out of a cemented position and try to see people from different angles and perspectives. At the very least, it never hurts to try.
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Very sad message of the King's grandson:

Fostul principe Nicolae, mesaj trist de Anul Nou: "A trecut un an greu şi profund nedrept" | REALITATEA .NET
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I'm glad to see Mr. Medforth-Mills expressing his sadness at the events of 2015, adding a piece to the puzzle of his demotion, making it clear it was not his choice and wish.
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Can somebody explain for non Romanian people like me ? Thanks
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Realitatea Tv said Mr Nicholas Medforth Mills wrote on his Facebook :""A trecut un an greu şi profund nedrept, care mi-a răpit ţara şi m-a dus departe de voi, într-un exil pe care însă l-am acceptat."(A profound difficult and unjust year passed, an year that kidnap my country and brought me far away from you in an exile I accepted".)



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If indeed he wrote Nicolae is understandable to feel so.
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Nicholas also wrote on Christmas Eve to his Facebook:
"My thoughts go to all Romanians, especially by those who, like me, celebrate Christmas away from their country, soul filled with longing and sadness.
A Merry Christmas with your loved ones and don't forget that together we are stronger!"
https://www.facebook.com/PrincipeleN...type=3&theater
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Old 01-04-2016, 03:52 AM
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We begin to understand what happened last summer. It is very sad for the prince Nicolas
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Mr Medforth Mills did not lose his popularity among many royalists.
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