The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Non-Reigning Houses > The Royal Family of Romania

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1181  
Old 11-05-2015, 12:42 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,061
Read article 77 of that Constitution too.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #1182  
Old 11-05-2015, 12:52 PM
LadyRohan's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sweden, Slovenia
Posts: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory View Post
Read article 77 of that Constitution too.
I'm reminded of the proverb 'there is no way discussing with a closed mind'.

I have read, and referred to article 77, before. Furthermore, the old constitution was abolished 68 years ago. You acknowledged that yourself, with regards to religion. If a society can change its views on religion and allegiance, what on Earth makes you think women should be treated as second-rate in a modern legal text?
__________________

__________________
"He who has never failed to reach perfection, has a right to be the harshest critic" - Queen Elizabeth II
Reply With Quote
  #1183  
Old 11-05-2015, 01:30 PM
Duc_et_Pair's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City, Christmas Island
Posts: 5,939
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyRohan View Post
It just might be the case that the King believes that if the monarchy is restored in a modern world, it should involve a modern succession. That includes equal primogeniture, and a Royal Family that can continue even through daughters. It is uplifting to think that a 94-year old King can be more forwardthinking than many who say they support the institution he has represented his whole life.
You are overlooking a fact. The King does not advocate "equal primogeniture". He has changed the succession so that the firstborn male is the Heir and -when there are no males- it is about the firstborn female. He does not care about equality. He only wants to see his daughter following him, a common trait when royals are faced with no sons. With a son Michael would never have changed it at all..... Remains the fact that apparently the former King thinks he has the authority to change such a Constitution while every Romanian King, Michael included, had to do with the Constitution as it has been laid down before them by the lawmaker, and was forced to swear to observe and maintain it.

Imagine the outcry when King Harald V or King Felipe VI simply wipe their royal derričre with the Constitution? Of course, the Romanian royal Constitution is defunct as there is a republican Constitution now. Too bad for the former King. But when he claims his whole existence as a former head of state, and his daughters as royal princesses, because he once was the legitimate royal head of state of a democratic Kingdom of Romania, ruled by said Constitution, he can not change that very same basic to his own caprices privés.
Reply With Quote
  #1184  
Old 11-05-2015, 02:06 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,061
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyRohan View Post
I'm reminded of the proverb 'there is no way discussing with a closed mind'.

I have read, and referred to article 77, before. Furthermore, the old constitution was abolished 68 years ago. You acknowledged that yourself, with regards to religion. If a society can change its views on religion and allegiance, what on Earth makes you think women should be treated as second-rate in a modern legal text?
You were speaking about the Constitution of 1923 but when somebody reminds you of the different articles of that Constitution you just say is abolished...
Reply With Quote
  #1185  
Old 11-05-2015, 04:20 PM
LadyRohan's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sweden, Slovenia
Posts: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory View Post
You were speaking about the Constitution of 1923 but when somebody reminds you of the different articles of that Constitution you just say is abolished...
I point out that the constitution the King leans on, and the one you claim he violates, is defunct, and he has done nothing that is illogical, but to encourage parliament to update the laws of succession in the event of a monarchical restoration. Until then, it functions as an instrument for his family, to keep the royal heritage intact.

It continues to elude me how you can support removing articles in the old constitution that deals with religion, without any debate in parliament and the royal dynasty, but just on your own will to decide that that is right, while the King, who has reigned over the nation before, is not allowed to encourage, not demand, but encourage, parliament, to update royal succession in the event of a restoration.

It just eludes me.
__________________
"He who has never failed to reach perfection, has a right to be the harshest critic" - Queen Elizabeth II
Reply With Quote
  #1186  
Old 11-05-2015, 04:48 PM
Duc_et_Pair's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City, Christmas Island
Posts: 5,939
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyRohan View Post
[....] while the King, who has reigned over the nation before, is not allowed to encourage, not demand, but encourage, parliament, to update royal succession in the event of a restoration. [....]
But that is not what Michael did. He did not demand or encourage anyone. He simply made known that he effectively wept his royal derričre with the Constitution by publishing a Fundamental Law (in his eyes such a self-fabricated document seems enough to shove aside a Constitution) in which he simply invented his own line of succession, with in turbo-mode again a change (removing Princess Irina), with another change in turbo-mode (removing Nicholas Medforth-Mills, pardon..., Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, pardon..., Prince Nicolae of Romania, pardon..., Nicholas Medorth-Mills I mean).

Had King Michael a son, he simply would have kept his fingers off from the Constitution. Oh wait... maybe his son also would have lacked "modesty and moral principles, respect and always thinking of others" and then he would maybe have changed it all again to see his grandson bypassing his father.

Reply With Quote
  #1187  
Old 11-05-2015, 05:33 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,061
It is a closed chapter anyhow.
Reply With Quote
  #1188  
Old 11-05-2015, 06:47 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: brisbane, Australia
Posts: 591
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory View Post
Around 20% of the population is in favour of the Restoration of the Constitutional Monarchy but people are very divided concerning the husband of Princess Margareta.
The majority of the romanians respect the king but don't understand why Prince Nicolae does not speak Romanian.
I'm sorry but Prince Who?
Reply With Quote
  #1189  
Old 11-05-2015, 07:23 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Kingdom, Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 4,061
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair View Post
You are overlooking a fact. The King does not advocate "equal primogeniture". He has changed the succession so that the firstborn male is the Heir and -when there are no males- it is about the firstborn female. He does not care about equality. He only wants to see his daughter following him, a common trait when royals are faced with no sons. With a son Michael would never have changed it at all..... Remains the fact that apparently the former King thinks he has the authority to change such a Constitution while every Romanian King, Michael included, had to do with the Constitution as it has been laid down before them by the lawmaker, and was forced to swear to observe and maintain it.

Imagine the outcry when King Harald V or King Felipe VI simply wipe their royal derričre with the Constitution? Of course, the Romanian royal Constitution is defunct as there is a republican Constitution now. Too bad for the former King. But when he claims his whole existence as a former head of state, and his daughters as royal princesses, because he once was the legitimate royal head of state of a democratic Kingdom of Romania, ruled by said Constitution, he can not change that very same basic to his own caprices privés.
He proposed a change thinking probably of his two grandsons but in meantine...
Reply With Quote
  #1190  
Old 11-06-2015, 03:05 PM
Benjamin's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1,515
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory View Post
He proposed a change thinking probably of his two grandsons but in meantine...
This is *exactly* why Nicholas is not a closed chapter in the Romanian Royal Family. All because of the "..." No one knows what the future will hold.
__________________
Sii forte.
Reply With Quote
  #1191  
Old 11-06-2015, 03:23 PM
LadyRohan's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Sweden, Slovenia
Posts: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin View Post
This is *exactly* why Nicholas is not a closed chapter in the Romanian Royal Family. All because of the "..." No one knows what the future will hold.
Hear, hear.
For this very reason, and previous monarchical restorations being an indicator of anything, we know that they tend to be unpredictable and inclined to bend old rules. For the moment, he does not represent the Royal Family as he has done in the past 5 years, but we do not know what tomorrow brings. The positive thing to come of all this, even the reactions to the demotion of Nicholas, is that what happens in the Royal Family is watched, and cared about. That's a foundation as good as anything, and attention that can be spun into something good and useful, when the chance comes.
__________________
"He who has never failed to reach perfection, has a right to be the harshest critic" - Queen Elizabeth II
Reply With Quote
  #1192  
Old 11-06-2015, 05:40 PM
eya eya is online now
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 5,502
Of course Nicolae is not closed chapter on Romania. Nobody knows the future and is certainly very important that all these years he lived in Romania the experienced and learned the language. I am sure that even the royalists support Nicolae but of course not from respect can come into conflict with King Mihai. It has been very interesting to see the developments when the Princess Maragareta become head of the royal house.
Reply With Quote
  #1193  
Old 11-30-2015, 02:46 AM
Benjamin's Avatar
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1,515
Reports have recently appeared in the Romanian press suggesting that Prince Nicholas lost his succession rights after a very brief affair with Nicoleta Cîrjan which resulted in a pregnancy.

Neither the lady or gentleman in question has commented on the parentage of the unborn child.

The baby, a girl, is due in early 2016.

Royal Musings: is a baby the reason Nicholas Medforth-Mills lost his succession rights and title.

This article goes into more detail as to why such an occurrence may have caused the reaction of Royal House.

http://www.flux24.ro/exclusiv-flux-2...-pentru-avere/
__________________
Sii forte.
Reply With Quote
  #1194  
Old 11-30-2015, 08:02 AM
rominet09's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LIEGE, Belgium
Posts: 3,371
Honestly, in 2015 is it a crime to father a child out of wedlock such as to have you kicked out of a Royal position ???
Reply With Quote
  #1195  
Old 11-30-2015, 10:58 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Regina, Canada
Posts: 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benjamin View Post
Reports have recently appeared in the Romanian press suggesting that Prince Nicholas lost his succession rights after a very brief affair with Nicoleta Cîrjan which resulted in a pregnancy.

Neither the lady or gentleman in question has commented on the parentage of the unborn child.

The baby, a girl, is due in early 2016.

Royal Musings: is a baby the reason Nicholas Medforth-Mills lost his succession rights and title.

This article goes into more detail as to why such an occurrence may have caused the reaction of Royal House.

EXCLUSIV/ FLUX 24 dezvăluie SECRETUL alungării PrinČ›ului Nicolae: Un copil nedorit de Casa Regală Č™i BÄ‚TÄ‚LIA PENTRU AVERE
So if I understand this: Nicoleta ended a six year relationship, claims to have had an unprotected fling with Nicholas and that she then took a morning after pill but it failed. I am not saying that she is lying, she may honestly believe that, but what if she is wrong? I have seen stats from the US where when there is a paternity test, that in 1/3 of the cases the man the woman said was the father was not the father and many had genuinely believed it. What if it is true about the fling but that the morning after pill did work and that the child is a result of the 6 year relationship. In the second article they have her at first last summer claiming the child to be a boy but say now she claims it to be a girl. Here they do not like to confirm sex before 23 weeks and I know cases where they were wrong. Since she is still pregnant (early 2016), she was not that far in May/June. Yet they reportedly acted based on her saying it was a boy and possibly still in her first trimester? Also why were they so adamant on him leaving Romania, if he does have a baby about to be born in Romania - to limit the media attention? From a PR point of view so far this has not been handled well, so do they have a plan for that scenario? If this is about a out of wedlock child, besides being overkill, shouldn't you have proof of paternity first before you act?
Reply With Quote
  #1196  
Old 11-30-2015, 11:33 AM
MAfan's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: N/A, Italy
Posts: 5,536
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceallach View Post
So if I understand this: Nicoleta ended a six year relationship, claims to have had an unprotected fling with Nicholas and that she then took a morning after pill but it failed.
Just, as far as I have understood, she has never openly mentioned that the man in question was Nicholas. So it is assumed that she was referring to Nicholas, but nothing is confirmed or even just openly said.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1197  
Old 11-30-2015, 11:53 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Regina, Canada
Posts: 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by MAfan View Post
Just, as far as I have understood, she has never openly mentioned that the man in question was Nicholas. So it is assumed that she was referring to Nicholas, but nothing is confirmed or even just openly said.
She has not said that publicly nor is it confirmed. But it is my understanding is that this whole situation exists because, as it suggests in the articles, she has expressed this privately to the royal family.
Reply With Quote
  #1198  
Old 11-30-2015, 12:12 PM
eya eya is online now
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 5,502
At least if it's true what comes out of the frame one of the many reasons we have heard about that Nicolae lost his title. That being gay. At the end we will find the cause.
Reply With Quote
  #1199  
Old 11-30-2015, 12:19 PM
MAfan's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: N/A, Italy
Posts: 5,536
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceallach View Post
She has not said that publicly nor is it confirmed. But it is my understanding is that this whole situation exists because, as it suggests in the articles, she has expressed this privately to the royal family.
This is something I was wondering, how did the press find out that Miss Cirjan is pregnant and that maybe the father could be Nicholas?
If she told herself, why didn't she openly spoke his name?
If she told privately to the Royal Family, but not to the press, who of them (or close to them) told the press?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1200  
Old 11-30-2015, 01:08 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Regina, Canada
Posts: 360
Quote:
Originally Posted by MAfan View Post
This is something I was wondering, how did the press find out that Miss Cirjan is pregnant and that maybe the father could be Nicholas?
If she told herself, why didn't she openly spoke his name?
If she told privately to the Royal Family, but not to the press, who of them (or close to them) told the press?
The second article implied she would not confirm to them and some of the information on the pregnancy was taken from a blog, which talks about her pregnancy and shows pictures but does not name the father. So it seems to be a leak from someone other than Nicoleta or Nicholas since he has not said anything either. Unless the media is going by what Nicoleta's friends said Nicoleta said the royals said it is likely a palace leak to be talking about the royals' reactions and specifically Radu, Margherita and Michael but no Nicholas.
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
prince nicolae, royal family of romania


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Prince Nicholas (son of Ferdinand and Marie) (1903-1978) Johan The Royal Family of Romania 18 08-10-2016 10:49 PM
HSH Prince Hans-Adam II (1945- ) and HSH Princess Marie (1940- ) Mandy Princely Family of Liechtenstein 123 05-23-2016 01:04 PM
Prince William's Suitability to be King CharlotteAmalia The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Family 860 05-23-2016 12:58 AM
Prince of Wales - Title, Succession and Wales Jo of Palatine British Royals 88 01-01-2014 08:59 AM




Popular Tags
ascot 2016 bavaria best gown best gown 2016 best gown september 2016 best hat best outfit catherine middleton style coup d'etat crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion crown princess mette-marit current events duchess of cambridge dutch state visit e-mail fashion poll grand duke jean greece kate middleton king abdullah ii king felipe king felipe vi king willem-alexander member introduction monarchy new zealand nobel gala norway norwegian royals november 2016 october 2016 opening of parliament picture of the week prince bernhard prince charles princess marie princess mary princess mary daytime fashion princess mary fashion princess mary hats princess victorias daytime fashion queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen letizia style queen mathilde queen mathildes outfits queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen rania in belgium royal fashion royal weddings september 2016 state visit state visit to denmark succession sweden the duchess of cambridge the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:10 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2016
Jelsoft Enterprises