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Old 08-25-2015, 09:03 PM
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If Nicholas moved out of the Elizabeth Palace a while ago, that indicates to me that he wasn't getting along with whoever else lived in the Elizabeth Palace.

I'm guessing that he was removed from the royal succession by the same person who he didn't get along with at Elizabeth Palace.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:33 PM
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Remember that King Michael, Princess Margareta, Radu and Princess Elena have nothing, nothing, nothing to gain with all this. It goes against everything they worked for. Especually Margareta and Radu whom have worked so hard for Nicholas. The only one who possibly had something to gain was Nicholas: his own freedom, his own privacy, his own life, his own destiny.

I must agree with you here. It's not like the Crown Princess has a bunch of children of her own to continue the lineage of the Romanian Royal Family.

Now, I know some people have the idiotic idea that Prince Radu (aka The Husband of Princess Margareta) is some evil dictator inside the Royal Family, who controls his wife and father-in-law and, for some reason, hates poor Nicholas.

And I have seen people here referring to King as an senile dinosaur. It's appalling that people nowadays are not ashamed to show how ignorant they are.

If Nicholas Medforth-Mills is not Prince Nicolae of Romania, the future Head of the Romanian Royal House, I'm sure it's due to his choices, and his choices only. The King, the Crown Princess and Prince Radu have done everything they could in order to promote him as the future of the Romanian Crown. To bad the young man doesn't want such future.

I had high hopes for HRH Prince Nicolae of Romania, but now I wish all the best to Mr. Nicholas Medforth-Mills.
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Old 08-25-2015, 11:17 PM
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Nicholas Medforth-Mills (formerly His Royal Highness Prince Nicholas of Romania)

People close to the Royal Family have intimated that it was the King, and not Nicholas, who made this decision. I am likely to put more stock in what they have learned directly from members of the Royal House than the opinions of those on Internet chat forums.

They likened it to the RF "shooting themselves in the foot," but reiterated that it was definitely King Michael who wished for this to happen-and apparently there are indeed no scandalous reasons behind it.

One must say, it would be not a little naïve to think that the opinion of Radu does not carry weight within the family - he managed to have His Majesty publicly endorse his ill-advised run for the Romanian presidency, a tactic that appalled many monarchists in the country who were so used to their former King remaining above politics.
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Old 08-26-2015, 01:24 AM
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Remember that King Michael, Princess Margareta, Radu and Princess Elena have nothing, nothing, nothing to gain with all this. It goes against everything they worked for. Especually Margareta and Radu whom have worked so hard for Nicholas. The only one who possibly had something to gain was Nicholas: his own freedom, his own privacy, his own life, his own destiny.

To me it seems that the king, crown princess Margarita and prince Radu have not worked hard at all for Nicholas. Because the king and the advisor of the Royal Family "accused" him of lacking modesty etc. To me it seems that the king, Margarita and Radu didn't guide Nicholas at all well to his role as a prince like they would have wanted him to do it. The king lives in Switzerland, so the duty went to Margarita and Radu. Margarita and Radu are from different generation than Nicholas, and of course they have different ideas of how to do your work as a royal.
Like said many times, it was the king, who decided to take the title from Nicholas, and Nicholas didn't request of it. The advisor of the Royal Family has said that in various interviews, so we have to believe it. It the king was influenced strongly by someone, that is something we just can guess.
About Radu's influence on king Michael: to me it speaks volumes that at the photos published about Margarita's and Radu's visit to Switzerland, and the meeting where the decision was made - Radu was at the photo, not Margarita. Margarita was at the "lovely" photo at the lunch. Yes, it is said that Margarita is a member of the Royal council, but the king wants to give an impression to publicity that Radu is very important for him and close to him. They should have had a photo of Margarita at the meeting.
And people don't always have to have something to gain about various decisions, for instance jealousy is good enough reason for many. Maybe Margarita and Radu were thinking that they have worked hard for Romania, Elena hasn't worked hardly at all for Romania, and now Elena's son comes and in 5 years becomes more popular than Margarita and Radu. Not every royal, especially when they are not reigning royals, thinks for the future when it is outside their lifetime. And for Radu there was something to gain: now he is again the only male royal representing the Royal Family in Romania, and there isn't another, much more popular and younger man taking his glory.
For Nicholas in Romania there was so much to gain: the respect of a whole country, where he could have done so much good, and he had already a very good start. The love of the romanian people. In his interviews one can have read about his enthusiasm and respect to his work, his passion to do good for children and young people. That he just suddenly would have wanted to stop that, doesn't seem reasonable. He seems a very ambitious man, and able to handle a challenge to make a difference to the lives of many people in Romania.
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Old 08-26-2015, 02:46 AM
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Let us also remember that while Nicholas was born the son of a Princess of Romania and the eldest grandson of King Michael, his uncle Radu is the commoner-born husband of the eldest daughter of the King.

Before he met Margarita, Radu was by all accounts a not-so-well-known actor.

Now, one could say, he is playing the role of a lifetime.


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Old 08-26-2015, 03:48 AM
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It is thanks to Radu and his strategic thinking, his eye for opportunities and his understanding about the importance of public relations and communications, the former royal family has been dragged out of obscurity.

Princess Margarita and Radu have guided, assisted, encouraged and helped their nephew Nicholas where possible. In so many formal and semi-formal events they have included their nephew. On public pictures it almost looked as if Nicholas was their son. A clear attempt to make him a "natural heir". Yes, he was destined as "Princess Margarita's Heir" if we conveniently forget his mother.

And now posters think that all this work of years, all these efforts, al this carefully planning was thrown overboard because maybe there were incompatibilités des humeurs? No, that goes too far and -as said- King Michael, Princess Margareta and Radu only could lose. There was no any win-situation for them. For a grandfather and an aunt acting so dramatical to their very own grandson resp. nephew something must have happened. Something so scandalous which made Nicholas' position unsustainable? Or simply because Nicholas requested or urged his grandfather and his aunt to let him free, to let him choose his own destiny?
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Old 08-26-2015, 04:06 AM
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And now posters think that all this work of years, all these efforts, al this carefully planning was thrown overboard because maybe there were incompatibilités des humeurs? No, that goes too far and -as said- King Michael, Princess Margareta and Radu only could lose. There was no any win-situation for them. For a grandfather and an aunt acting so dramatical to their very own grandson resp. nephew something must have happened. Something so scandalous which made Nicholas' position unsustainable? Or simply because Nicholas requested or urged his grandfather and his aunt to let him free, to let him choose his own destiny?

You may choose to believe whatever you wish, Duc_et_Pair.

However, individuals who know members of the Royal House and have spoken with them state (privately) that this was a measure taken solely by King Michael. One should recall that the King did strip Princess Sophie of her title due to her marrying someone he did not approve of and then he restored it after her divorce. Then, one also has the more recent example of what happened to Irina (and her children).

Nicholas had no say in this development, and it was not due to any actual scandal, according to those who know the family.
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Old 08-26-2015, 05:45 AM
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But the person "close to King Michael" (How close? In Romania? In Switzerland? Or are they profiling himself as "spokesperson"?) can have an own agenda as well. It are the Balkans you know...
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Old 08-26-2015, 06:39 AM
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1.How many % royal supporters in Roumania : 10 % or less

2.What said the roumanian press about it , Do they have a Journalist as our Duc et Pair who arguments so well the royal sucession ?.

3. Why the sudden came back of Princess Maria ?

4.Will they continue the show of garden parties with balcony appearence with stuff ot the balcony, Will they host dinners and grant décorations ?

5. By the way I suppose Nicolas may not wear his Sash anymore and had to give it back. Sashes are expensive.

Conclusion : It was a nice Summer feuilleton .
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Old 08-26-2015, 10:30 AM
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Let us also remember that while Nicholas was born the son of a Princess of Romania and the eldest grandson of King Michael, his uncle Radu is the commoner-born husband of the eldest daughter of the King.

Before he met Margarita, Radu was by all accounts a not-so-well-known actor.

Now, one could say, he is playing the role of a lifetime.


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"Ηe is playing the role of a lifetime". This Benjamin is very successful. The only thing we do not know yet is whether this role is the "devil" or the "angel" on the monarchy in Romania.
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Old 08-26-2015, 05:44 PM
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But the person "close to King Michael" (How close? In Romania? In Switzerland? Or are they profiling himself as "spokesperson"?) can have an own agenda as well. It are the Balkans you know...
The source I was referring to is not Romanian and is not a public person, so I cannot disclose their identity. However, they have known the Romanian Royal Family for decades, long before any of the family returned to their country.

Interestingly, as I was going through the archives of another site, I came across a posting from someone else whom I know personally. This individual was previously close to the King, the Queen, Princess Margarita and Radu for a period of time. During an interview that this person conducted with the latter couple in 2000, the husband (and not his bona-fide royal wife) stated: "We will decide who becomes the head of the family, it is up to us."

So, once again, people can believe whatever they wish to about whether or not Radu has any influence on his in-laws. I am rather inclined to think that he does based on what I have heard from people who have interacted with the people in question themselves. Obviously, his contribution to the Royal House has been positive in some ways, and that should be considered, too.
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Old 08-26-2015, 06:48 PM
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But since Radu has no any children, what would be any win for him to block Nicholas and how is it possible that the three born royals before Nicholas (Michael von Hohenzollern, Margarita von Hohenzollern and Elena von Hohenzollern) apparently agreed when it was all from Radu 'Rasputin' Duda? I find it hard to believe.
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But since Radu has no any children, what would be any win for him to block Nicholas and how is it possible that the three born royals before Nicholas (Michael von Hohenzollern, Margarita von Hohenzollern and Elena von Hohenzollern) apparently agreed when it was all from Radu 'Rasputin' Duda? I find it hard to believe.




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Old 08-26-2015, 07:01 PM
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But since Radu has no any children, what would be any win for him to block Nicholas and how is it possible that the three born royals before Nicholas (Michael von Hohenzollern, Margarita von Hohenzollern and Elena von Hohenzollern) apparently agreed when it was all from Radu 'Rasputin' Duda? I find it hard to believe.

Of course you find it hard to believe-this is perhaps why you keep offering up the unlikely scenario that Nicholas just up and decided recently that he wanted nothing to do with his royal role when such an action flies in the face of both his actions and his words since he relocated to Romania.

Also, where did you get the idea that Margarita or Helen personally agreed to the change? Did the sisters issue some sort of public statement that no one has seen? No, instead, the announcement about the sudden exclusion of Nicholas by the King was made on the website of the Royal Family (one that was formerly the personal website of Radu).
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:48 AM
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....formerly Hohenzollerns

Indeed, dynastically speaking.

What's more, much like the Greek royals, King Michael's daughters always used "de Roumanie" as their surname, never "von Hohenzollern."


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A logic assessment of the situation as it is now learns that the only one whom had any possible 'gain' with all this, is Nicholas Medforth-Mills. If it was his aim indeed, then he has his own life back, his own privacy, his own destiny, his own career.

That is why it is not at all so weird to imagine a situation in which Nicholas honestly told his grandfather and his aunt (and his mother, we may assume, that is why I included her in the "decision") about his real thoughts about "Project Romania".

There was no any gain, no any win, no any advantage for any other involved in this whole saga. That is why I personally assess a scenario in which Nicholas clashed with his aunt/uncle on character (and therefore thrown out of the line of succession) far, far less likely than that it just was his very own desire. Needless to say that such a scenario came as a blow straight in the face of the former King and his aunt and that indeed might have led to relations becoming sour.
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^^^^^^
because we don't know all the details, you can't draw this conclusion: if all the info was out in the open, it could turn out that someone else *did* have something to gain with this

because we just don't know (and probably never will), this thread is going around and around lately
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because we don't know all the details, you can't draw this conclusion: if all the info was out in the open, it could turn out that someone else *did* have something to gain with this

because we just don't know (and probably never will), this thread is going around and around lately
That is true. And that is why the one sees the evil genius of Radu Duda behind all this. But when asked what would be the gain for him, it remains silent. The other -likes me- tries to see who could win with such a change. Who is the one which is affected? Nicholas. What changes for him? He is again the director of his very own life. Who had to loose everything, the gold bar in their hands, the future of the Royal House? King Michael and Princess Margarita. As there are no any signals about scandals or whatever, that leads to a possible scenario that it was all on Nicholas' request.

In the eye of King Michael -noblesse oblige- this of course is an utter lack of loyalty, of morals, of having a backbone. Maybe therefore the pretty hard judgement by the King's communiqué ("Romania and the Royal House needs someone with well balanced modesty, with moral principles, respect and always thinking of the others"). Who knows. I have always stressed that each guess us as good as the other. But we can deduct for ourselves "logic scenarios" of course.
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Since everyone is still speculating, I don't see why it can't be a case of an out of touch, very old man who might not be quite as sharp in his faculties anymore, making a unilateral decision that everyone is too scared to object to in case he should decide to remove them from the succession too. Seeing as he manages to fiddle with the succession and add and remove family members' titles at any time that it enters his head. I don't know if that's the case, but it wouldn't surprise me. King Michael was a very good monarch at one time, but it's been 68 years since he reigned.
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It seemed the outcome was discussed with the King's circle. Nicholas agreed with the decision. His mother Princess Elena was informed. Ultimately it was the Chef de la Maison who took the decision but it seemed discussed before.
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