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Old 08-13-2015, 01:51 AM
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Well, Fb... And the people with Nicholas as 'Friend' naturally will act with disappointment and disbelief. The best thermometer is the common Romanian in the street and most likely they could not care less....
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Old 08-13-2015, 03:25 AM
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Who betrayed whom?
Rather hard words in this article too.
Cine pe cine a trădat_ Cum a ajuns monarhia o butaforie. Și de ce ne pasă_ _ Romania Libera
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A hot wire, charitable, structured, a good man, intelligent, lovely involved in supporting projects in Romania - books for children, cycling, ecology, he managed to win the hearts of many Romanian.
He managed to learn the Romanian language pretty well in a short time and nothing can convince me to change my opinion I had that this man could do many wonderful things in Romania from the position that he has.
Nicolae Mihai Medforth Mills sau Principele Nicolae _ Diana Mandache _ adevarul.ro
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Old 08-13-2015, 04:13 AM
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Stories have been emerging on the Internet in the last couple of days that a certain gay club based in Geneva might have something to do with the King's decision. I can't read Rumanian but the gist given in the link seemed pretty plain.

There's supposedly a video about to do the rounds.
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Old 08-13-2015, 04:23 AM
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Marlene said he wasn't gay, nor was it about a girl or gambling. Because they left it so vague, there are a lot of rumours.
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Old 08-13-2015, 04:58 AM
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Nicholas has had an Irish girlfriend and was seeing a Romanian lady after her. So being gay is probably wishful thinking by some persons attracted to Nicholas' good looks, I assume.
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Old 08-13-2015, 05:16 AM
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Btw, shouldn't we change the name of this thread?
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Old 08-13-2015, 06:31 AM
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Btw, shouldn't we change the name of this thread?
Even this is unclear:

Is it a return to his original name Nicholas Medforth-Mills or is it a return to his changed name Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth-Mills, since the dude in question apparently saw no future for him in Romania?

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Old 08-13-2015, 06:57 AM
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Historian Manuel Stănescu:
"Nicolae was popular because hewas a young man, a man with a fresh soul in a Royal House which has a certain past. I think there are some things that we don't know, but I am convinced that this gesture of King Michael is deep enough".
"Royal House needs another frontman. I don't see who could replace the image of Nicolae. He was a picture for the future. Princess Margarita has a pretty good image, but does not represent the future. The Royal House has passed, thank goodness, a certain date, with ups and downs, but it desperately needs a future perspective. The Prince was a prospect. Princess Margarita is not seen now as a perspective or in terms of the ability to bring sympathy to the Royal Family. Here we are talking about generations to come, because they were heading towards Prince Nicolae. All the discussion reaches to a point: will Romania ever been able to return to monarchy? Do the Romanians want that?" According to Stănescu, the decision taken by King Michael in respect to his nephew seems hasty at this point. "History will tell us if it was or wasn't," he adds.
Istoria succesiunilor din Casa Regală a României. MAREA PROBLEMĂ pe care Regele Mihai trebuie s-o rezolve după excluderea Principelui Nicolae
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Old 08-13-2015, 07:51 AM
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I know Nick very well. I have stayed with him in Romania, in his modest flat in the city centre. And he has stayed with me as well, in my home. Firstly, HE IS NOT GAY. Without revealing what has brought about this despicable action, it was no more than a silly lark that was pounced upon by certain people with an agenda. What this was will never be known outside a few people with very tight lips, and it is far from a great scandal. To be honest this would appear to have backfired as he is immensely popular in Romania. He has worked hard to carve himself a worthwhile niche and would have been an invaluable asset to the future of the royal family. He will find his future in private life and do well, as he is a personable and charming man, with great potential. I hope you all wish him well.
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Old 08-13-2015, 08:24 AM
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First time that the Roumanian Monarchists critics their King who is at the end of his life.
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Old 08-13-2015, 12:56 PM
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First time that the Roumanian Monarchists critics their King who is at the end of his life.
No, it is not the first time. When King Michael removed the Hohenzollerns from the royal succession and created a new Royal House, this was met with fierce criticism as well. When King Michael cut off the links with the House of Hohenzollern and removed the title Prince (Princess) of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen from himself and his five daughters, all direct Hohenzollern-agnates, this was met with criticism by monarchists as well.
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:14 PM
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I mean now .. A Prince of Roumania who lost his Predicate HRH and tittle of Prince.

Will we ever see King Michael in public in Roumania again ??
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:25 PM
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No, it is not the first time. When King Michael removed the Hohenzollerns from the royal succession and created a new Royal House, this was met with fierce criticism as well. When King Michael cut off the links with the House of Hohenzollern and removed the title Prince (Princess) of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen from himself and his five daughters, all direct Hohenzollern-agnates, this was met with criticism by monarchists as well.
Was not Paul Lambrino really the only person who was upset by that?

I cannot recall seeing much in the Romanian media against the action.

Not even the Furst von Hohenzollern issued a statement.
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Old 08-13-2015, 01:33 PM
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A small romanian party has acted
The National Christian Democrat Peasant Party (PNTCD) on Thursday initiated an online petition asking King Mihai I to reconsider his decision to strip his grandson Nicolae the “price” title and to remove him from the line of succession.
Romanian Peasant Party initiates petition asking King Mihai to reconsider decision on grandson Nicolae _ The Romania Journal
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Old 08-13-2015, 02:11 PM
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A small romanian party has acted
The National Christian Democrat Peasant Party (PNTCD) on Thursday initiated an online petition asking King Mihai I to reconsider his decision to strip his grandson Nicolae the “price” title and to remove him from the line of succession.
Romanian Peasant Party initiates petition asking King Mihai to reconsider decision on grandson Nicolae _ The Romania Journal
It is natural to have reactions (even small). Nicolae managed in a short time become likeable to the people (in some at least) of Romania.
A general statement without any particular reason (living anyone to say everything want) is naturally not enough for some people.
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Old 08-13-2015, 02:19 PM
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Was not Paul Lambrino really the only person who was upset by that?

I cannot recall seeing much in the Romanian media against the action.

Not even the Furst von Hohenzollern issued a statement.
On the European Royal Message Board a fellow poster who seems remarkably well informed wrote:

Posted by raalcom on 12/8/2015, 14:33:04, in reply to "Romanian Royal Family- what next?"
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The new succession line is, I'm afraid, a sad joke, the shadow of a shadow that lost all traces of credibility. How many times can succession pass on female line ? Margarita "Custodian of the Crown" (always a strange and never convincing formula), Elena ("2nd Custodian" ?) and Karina ("3rd Custodian" ?) ?

In 1997, Romanian monarchists asked King Michael to designate an Heir from the German Catholic line of the Hohenzollerns. He initially agreed, but then, under pressure from Queen Anna, he changed his mind, accepting the idea of Nicolae as successor and heir. Romanian monarchists (some of them knowing the Family in close quarters) split, back then, in two parties: those who were against this unconstitutional decision, and those who accepted it together with the idea that the "monarchy" should adopt modern norms. We know what happened.

Normally, the legal and legitimate Heir is one of the German Catholic Hohenzollerns, namely Fuerst Karl-Friedrich. However, he publicly stated in 2009 he is not interested in claiming such a right (and he repeats it in private even now). We are therefore left with his son, Alexander (b. 1987), more attracted to politics than his father is and was [....]


So it was by far not only Paul Lambrino whom was upset by that.
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On the European Royal Message Board a fellow poster who seems remarkably well informed wrote:

Posted by raalcom on 12/8/2015, 14:33:04, in reply to "Romanian Royal Family- what next?"
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The new succession line is, I'm afraid, a sad joke, the shadow of a shadow that lost all traces of credibility. How many times can succession pass on female line ? Margarita "Custodian of the Crown" (always a strange and never convincing formula), Elena ("2nd Custodian" ?) and Karina ("3rd Custodian" ?) ?

In 1997, Romanian monarchists asked King Michael to designate an Heir from the German Catholic line of the Hohenzollerns. He initially agreed, but then, under pressure from Queen Anna, he changed his mind, accepting the idea of Nicolae as successor and heir. Romanian monarchists (some of them knowing the Family in close quarters) split, back then, in two parties: those who were against this unconstitutional decision, and those who accepted it together with the idea that the "monarchy" should adopt modern norms. We know what happened.

Normally, the legal and legitimate Heir is one of the German Catholic Hohenzollerns, namely Fuerst Karl-Friedrich. However, he publicly stated in 2009 he is not interested in claiming such a right (and he repeats it in private even now). We are therefore left with his son, Alexander (b. 1987), more attracted to politics than his father is and was [....]


So it was by far not only Paul Lambrino whom was upset by that.

King Michael did not "exclude" the Hohenzollerns until 2011.

This is the time to which you seemed to be referring, and this was when it was basically only Paul Lambrino who reacted. What happened in the 1990s was taking place behind closed doors, and no one publicly said anything against the King's decision to make Margarita "Custodian of the Crown."

I was surprised to learn from that poster that it was the Queen who was in favour of allowing the princesses to have dynastic rights.
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It seems that the Romanians are -financially- not very well off. At best some 10 million Euro worth and this is mainly stocked in four historic estates.

When the King dies, his estate will be divided by his five daughters, unless the King donates it to a legal entity, to preserve it for the future. But such a Foundation or a Trust needs a working capital too. Ánd such a donation would 'rob' Margarita, Elena, Irina, Sophia and Maria from their inheritance, of course, so probably there will be a family feud when the father has donated it all away into the hands of a Trust.

Nicholas, on his turn, has to share his mother's inheritance (1/5th of her father's inheritance) with his sister Elisabeta Karina. In the best outcome that probably will leave him with 1 million Euro in wealth, of which most will be in stones and not in cash. Then the taxman will knock at Nicholas door, as well... All by all it is really not that strange that Nicholas probably prefers to pursue a career in business.
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The source we were referring to estimated the Royal House to be worth €60 million after the financial crisis with four palatial residences (not including Elisabeta Palace, presumably) and 20,000 hectares of land/forestry.

Princesses Margarita and Maria are childless, so their shares may devolve upon one of their nephews or nieces. It is definitely not going to the Kreuger branch as they have no contact with their maternal relatives in Europe. Nicholas and Karina are the only options.
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Historian Daniel Focşa in Epoch Times

King Michael's decision, a true suicide of the Romanian Royal family
King Michael's decision to remove Prince Nicholas from the line of succession will remain in history - if it will not be taken back - as the end of this dynasty. I see it as a true suicide of the Romanian Royal family. It is a gesture as incomprehensible and illogical as disastrous by its consequences, for the Royal House, for the idea of the monarchy's restoration and for the country. Because we don't want the monarchy for the sake of the monarchy, but because we consider monarchy as the best form of Government for Romania...
... the King is a man of almost 94 years, and Princess Margarita is nearing 70 and has no children. Nicholas was brought into the country five years ago to secure the future of the dynasty. Is a young man who loves Romania and is loved. He represents the future. When a 94-year old man severs the future of his own family and the country, without even giving clear explanations, without understanding the reasons, from Switzerland and in the absence of the person "executed" in contempt feelings for love that an entire country feels for the young Prince, then the situation becomes hallucinated. And completely unacceptable...
... Prince Nicholas should remain in Bucharest, in the middle of the Romanians who love and trust him. With or without titles, he belongs to the country and the romanian people.
Decizia Regelui Mihai, un adevărat suicid al Familiei Regale române
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I wonder if king Michael and the rest of those who made the decision, believed that it would make this much negative articles.
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