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Old 08-11-2015, 06:16 PM
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Not only that the third daughter of the King was stripped of her titles (nobody seem to have seen a document even about that) but also her children (why?).
The Line of Succession proposed by the King seem to change all the time.
Nicholas is more popular now than ever before.
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:27 PM
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Well Wartenberg , you did change my mind.
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:51 PM
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Not only that the third daughter of the King was stripped of her titles (nobody seem to have seen a document even about that) but also her children (why?).
The Line of Succession proposed by the King seem to change all the time.
Nicholas is more popular now than ever before.
Irina and her children were stripped after she pled guilty to charges in the US related to hosting illegal cock-fighting derbies and serving tacos at them. At the time, the children said they had not even spoken to their grandfather in years. There was already a disconnect and they disassociated themselves with the whole family not just Irina. I am not sure about documentation, but it changed on the website.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...na_walker.html

Sophie was stripped over her choice of husband and later re-instated.
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:02 PM
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I doubt Nicholas will accept to return to Romania after all this .
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:41 PM
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There is always a chance that he will, when the time is right.
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:42 PM
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What if Nicholas simply wants to be a successful business man, that might be at odds with being the head of the monarchy, the same way that queen Elizabeth doesn't really want close members of her family working in business because it can cause a conflict of interest. Maybe his ideals are to have a business and he doesn't want to give that up.
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:44 PM
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What if Nicholas simply wants to be a successful business man, that might be at odds with being the head of the monarchy, the same way that queen Elizabeth doesn't really want close members of her family working in business because it can cause a conflict of interest. Maybe his ideals are to have a business and he doesn't want to give that up.
That's my impression after reading many articles, both in English or google-translated
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:52 PM
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He was more and more involved in Romania and he really enjoyed his role even if he is more modern than others members of his Family. He had a lot of projects developing in the country so...
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Old 08-11-2015, 08:17 PM
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He was more and more involved in Romania and he really enjoyed his role even if he is more modern than others members of his Family. He had a lot of projects developing in the country so...
So it does not make sense that he is leaving, even if he is no longer a prince.
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:05 PM
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Comments relating to this is somewhat vague and it is a matter of opinion as to what to what. Could be differences of opinion or differences in what the role that the monarchy should be in Romania, although stripping a title would seem a bit extreme, unless there is more to this story that has been told.
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Old 08-11-2015, 09:35 PM
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Could this be possibly a dispute over a girlfriend or a woman (non-royal or someone who is very commoner) that the family thinks it isn't suitable for Nicholas?
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:01 PM
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Could this be possibly a dispute over a girlfriend or a woman (non-royal or someone who is very commoner) that the family thinks it isn't suitable for Nicholas?
Good golly, unless he were dating a convict or prostitute how bad could the girl be? It isn't like there are a bunch of available princesses out there.

Didn't King Filpe say something to the effect when he got engaged to Latizia that "the princess business isn't what it used to be", (as to why he married a commoner).
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:33 PM
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I didn't mean a woman who was bad or of questionable moral character Admiral Horthy. A woman who had nothing to offer him might not be acceptable for a serious relationship or future marriage.
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:38 PM
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Could this be possibly a dispute over a girlfriend or a woman (non-royal or someone who is very commoner) that the family thinks it isn't suitable for Nicholas?
He was previously engaged to a commoner Rebecca Byatt and she was with him at events in Romania. His mother and aunts married commoners. Marlene says he is not gay, so it is unlikely it is about his choice of partner.

It could be he just is not as hard a worker, as has been implied. But his generation in most royal families don't work as hard as past generations.

It also could be he has gotten into business or associates with the wrong people like Laurent of Belgium, who is now fully on the public purse and would have to give it all up if he got into business again. There are advantages to being a royal, but also certain freedoms you give up such as also choice of occupation, business dealings, expressing political opinions, etc.

The talk does implies he has or wants to do that which he is not free to do as a royal.
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Old 08-12-2015, 02:01 AM
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According to this, Nicholas has borrowed a lot of money, played at the casino, lost the money and been in contact with suspicious people.
CV Tudor_ Principele Nicolae împrumuta bani și juca la cazinou _ DC News _ De ce se intampla
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Old 08-12-2015, 02:25 AM
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IF that is true they don't have to discuss anymore if King Mihai take the right desicion or not.
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Old 08-12-2015, 04:22 AM
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According to this, Nicholas has borrowed a lot of money, played at the casino, lost the money and been in contact with suspicious people.
CV Tudor_ Principele Nicolae împrumuta bani și juca la cazinou _ DC News _ De ce se intampla
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I do hope this is not true, but I suppose it would be reason enough to take Nicolae out of his role and remove his titles etc.

The article suggests that Margarita was involved in the decision more so than the King. HOWEVER, I hope that we can get a proper translation.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:52 AM
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The King gave his reason : lack of modesty and moral principles .
His way of living is not the one whished by King Michel.

Do we have proofs ?

Mrs M. Koening must be devasted .
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:26 AM
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"Wise decision"? More a decision of a silly, stubborn old man. Nicolae has done much more in and for Romania and the royal house than Michael back there in switzerland in the past 5 years!
What justifies a measure like this?!
But that was not the point. I understood Nicholas concluded for himself that his ideas about his future life did not combine well with his position as a member (and future head) of the Royal House.

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Irina and her children were stripped after she pled guilty to charges in the US related to hosting illegal cock-fighting derbies and serving tacos at them. At the time, the children said they had not even spoken to their grandfather in years. There was already a disconnect and they disassociated themselves with the whole family not just Irina. I am not sure about documentation, but it changed on the website.

Romanian princess Irina Walker, husband sentenced to probation for roles in cockfighting ring | OregonLive.com

Sophie was stripped over her choice of husband and later re-instated.
That was one of the most silly reasons ever to remove a born royal from the place of succession. It is illustrative for the arbitrariness and total lack of fundament concerning the succession rules in the House of Romania.

Imagine that Queen Elizabeth II had stripped her grandson Harry because he was caught binge drinking with a Nazi-uniform? It is in the same category, what are we talking about? Cockfighting (a cruel sport indeed but royals shoot animals all over the world...).



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Could this be possibly a dispute over a girlfriend or a woman (non-royal or someone who is very commoner) that the family thinks it isn't suitable for Nicholas?
Heu... Princess Margareta married a commoner, Princess Elena married a commoner, Princess Irina married a commoner, Princess Sophia married a commoner, Princess Maria married a commoner...



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According to this, Nicholas has borrowed a lot of money, played at the casino, lost the money and been in contact with suspicious people.
CV Tudor_ Principele Nicolae împrumuta bani și juca la cazinou _ DC News _ De ce se intampla
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So many royals have played in casinos. So many royals have made debts. If it was all about this, just pay the debts (as Royal House) and tighten the reins and discipline Nicholas.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:01 AM
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So many royals have played in casinos. So many royals have made debts. If it was all about this, just pay the debts (as Royal House) and tighten the reins and discipline Nicholas.
If this was all over gambling then I agree pay the debts, send him to rehab, tighten the reins, discipline him, keep him busy but to throw it all away over this is overkill. I think they have been quick to judge and punish. They really need to touch base with other royal families, cause the stories they could tell. Michael has 13 descendants and 7 are presently stripped of succession and possibly all related to gambling. Irina was hosting gambling ie cockfighting and he tossed out her children (Michael, Angelica) and great-grandchildren (Kohen, Courtney, Diana) too. Sophie had been stripped and reinstated and I am not sure how that affected her daughter. So possibly only 4 of 13 have never been stripped of succession. When they were stripped, Michael and Angelica admitted they hadn't had contact in years with their grandfather. Elena was informed by letter of her son being stripped of succession and titles. It seems ridiculous at this point if this is all that this is about. This seems to be a very dysfunctional fractured family and that what was really needed was a family intervention. When was the last time all of them were actually together? This has also been handled badly from the PR point of view too.
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