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Old 08-11-2015, 12:55 AM
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Thank you for the most recent update Marlene. Hope that the family is doing well in light of this recent action. Good luck to Nicholas in his future endeavors.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:02 AM
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So if he is leaving it up to Margarita to pick an heir, but if Nicholas is not up to it then who is? This puts a lot on Margarita. Margarita's health was not good for a while, so she will have to prepare someone. We know little about Karina. It is more likely she will need to get her sisters to increase their roles. Marie is in Romania, Sophie says she is moving there once her daughter graduates (2017), but what about Elena? How do Elena and Karina feel about what has happened to Nicholas? Can Margarita or Elena redeem Nicholas? This does not feel good for the monarchy.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:10 AM
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As Nicholas is out of the picture, the idea of restoring the monarchy will die.

He represented the future.

Now, there is not one.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:40 AM
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thanks. I have an updated post. The google translation got it wrong. Michael did not say anything about end of family ... Margarita will have right to name her heir when she is head. I just spent an hour chatting with the RF's lawyer Royal Musings: More on King Michael's decision.
Thank you for this.
Various medias write even in english about this.
"Even though the Royal House’s press release doesn’t mention the reason why King Mihai took such a decision, some counselors explained to the Romanian media that the grandson basically couldn’t live up to the “rigors” which is title implied. Speaking to Digi24, Ioan Luca Vlad, one of the advisors of Romania’s Royal House, said Prince Nicholas’ ideals were not compliant with the rigorous demands the title involved, pointing to environmental, youth and business related projects the prince was coordinating."
King Mihai of Romania withdraws his grandson the title of “Prince of Romania” _ Independent Balkan News Agency
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Old 08-11-2015, 02:29 AM
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Nicholas should be free to remain in Romania as a private citizen and get a job there. The fact that they say he will be leaving after he returns from vacation to find a job somewhere else may also imply he is not welcome in Romania. It may be that he has said/done something to upset the government and that a condition of the family continuing their status is he's gone. Maybe Michael sent a letter to Elena cause there is a reason he did not want to use the phone. They could be badmouthing without actually badmouthing Nicholas to appease the government. The scandal they could be afraid of is the government going after Nicholas. Those government officials may be gone once Margarita is the head of the family and she may be able to reinstate him. That is why it is left open for her to pick her heir. They may be waiting out the new government. The old government wanted to hold a referendum on returning the monarchy. Knowing there is no chance for reinstatement now, they are taking the PR hit to rebuild once the government is gone. Nicholas could get a job with an NGO outside Romania that helps Romanians. Or he could get a job giving him public service or diplomatic experience maybe with the EU. Saying Nicholas lacks diplomatic experience may be to give them an opportunity to have him meet that goal and be redeemed. Is it possible we are looking at this all wrong and this is for the protection of Nicholas and the monarchy?
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:16 AM
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Nicholas should be free to remain in Romania as a private citizen and get a job there. The fact that they say he will be leaving after he returns from vacation to find a job somewhere else may also imply he is not welcome in Romania. It may be that he has said/done something to upset the government and that a condition of the family continuing their status is he's gone. Maybe Michael sent a letter to Elena cause there is a reason he did not want to use the phone. They could be badmouthing without actually badmouthing Nicholas to appease the government. The scandal they could be afraid of is the government going after Nicholas. Those government officials may be gone once Margarita is the head of the family and she may be able to reinstate him. That is why it is left open for her to pick her heir. They may be waiting out the new government. The old government wanted to hold a referendum on returning the monarchy. Knowing there is no chance for reinstatement now, they are taking the PR hit to rebuild once the government is gone. Nicholas could get a job with an NGO outside Romania that helps Romanians. Or he could get a job giving him public service or diplomatic experience maybe with the EU. Saying Nicholas lacks diplomatic experience may be to give them an opportunity to have him meet that goal and be redeemed. Is it possible we are looking at this all wrong and this is for the protection of Nicholas and the monarchy?
I don't think so. I think in terms of PR and the future of monarchy that this decision is disastrous and spells the end of any future restoration. The King has basically said that Nicholas has let him down and now he should bugger off. I can well imagine people thinking, " well we liked Nicholas, he seemed to be doing a great job but now you don't want him so why should we want you."
After reading through all the posts here, the newspaper articles and Marlenes blog personally I feel that there is something in Nicholas private life that the King feels is not worthy of the role of Monarchy in Roumania. Homosexuality would fit that, though that is pure speculation.
I also feel that there is no real chance of the Royal family continuing in the future. Why should the people of the country take the risk of trying yet another grandchild of the king when that person could also be take away from them. Also as far as I can tell no other grandchild has shown the slightest interest in the country
I am very disappointed with this decision and can only hope that Nicholas finds happiness and fulfilment elsewhere.
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Old 08-11-2015, 04:30 AM
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I've been thinking about this whole situation from Nicolae's point of view and the possible disparity between his point of view and King Michael's.

Nicolae lived most of his life in a normal way, with his own plans for his future and career and how he wanted to live his life. He is then asked if he would come to Romania, learn the language and culture and be adopted, so to speak, into a whole new life, with a title as prince and possibly king at some point in the future.

He throws himself into the challenge and does remarkably well becoming popular and doing much good for the people of Romania.
But giving up his former life must have been a huge compromise and so I wonder whether he felt that in return for doing all that he has done for King Michael and his adoptive country, he wanted something in return - to be able to pursue his own interest outside of Romania - various charities or business interests, his cycling events etc etc that had nothing to do with his role in the royal family and a possible restoration. So it could have been his commitment and willingness to devote ALL of his time in Romania that the king felt was lacking and either no compromise could be reached or was sought.

It is a very sad situation for everyone concerned, the king, the former prince, the crown princess and not least of all the people of Romania - particularly those who support the royal family and restoration.

I hope very much that we continue to hear news of Nicolae's life and be updated with what he is doing from time to time because I have always enjoyed this thread and will miss him a great deal in his role as prince.
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Old 08-11-2015, 05:02 AM
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I am so shocked by this news! To be honest I feel very sorry for Nicholas. He changed his life for his family and the succession. Moved to Romania, took on patronages and royal visits. He seemed to be doing a lot of good in Romania, particularly with children and young people. To suddenly be stripped of his titles and position is really surprising. There has to be more to this?!
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Old 08-11-2015, 05:53 AM
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The more I think about this story and the more I am puzzled.
If the issue is really only the fact that Nicolae has understood that he isn't fit for a royal role and that he prefers to return back to his life as a private person, why just don't tell it and renounce to titles and succession rights? That would be perfectly understandable.
But why, instead, it was King Michael who stripped him of his title and succession rights? And why so suddenly? Why did they choose to act this way instead of a clearer, easier and more understandable way?
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:06 AM
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The more I think about this story and the more I am puzzled.
If the issue is really only the fact that Nicolae has understood that he isn't fit for a royal role and that he prefers to return back to his life as a private person, why just don't tell it and renounce to titles and succession rights? That would be perfectly understandable.
But why, instead, it was King Michael who stripped him of his title and succession rights? And why so suddenly? Why did they choose to act this way instead of a clearer, easier and more understandable way?
It would have been a more clearer decision and way to handle this, if Nicholas would have given a statement - if he wanted to give up his title.

Now this advisor of the Royal House, Mr. Vlad, has spoken a lot to the media, some quotes from an article:
"‘Surely, it will be difficult to get used to it, now I am the first to say that his presence in Romania was a beneficial one and he thinks that he has learned a lot while in Romania, that his experience was extraordinary and unique, so there is nothing and there is no reason for which he leaves Romania due to Romania, on the contrary there are nice memories to be left with’"
"now, nothing happened and we hope nothing to happen in the future, but we got to such a formula to ensure that the future will be nice for both parties’"
About the future for Nicholas
"‘He may get into private business, he may continue with charity activities, he may continue with his activities with the youth, or ecological ones, this renouncement reopens all paths which were closed the moment he assumed the role he had in Romania. By giving up this role, all the other options are valid. He is a young man with unique experience and many companies. The NGOs want him to do extraordinary things with them, for example, Kenya from where he came back quite recently’".
King Mihai withdraws grandson Nicholas actmedia

He makes it sound like they were the whole time waiting that Nicholas makes some mistake. Didn't he have a guidance to help him to learn his role?
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:28 AM
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A statement from Nicholas is now at the website of the Royal Family:
Comunicatul Biroului de Presă al Majestății Sale, 11 august 2015 _ Familia Regală a României _ Royal Family of Romania
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:40 AM
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"a way of life that leads me find difficult to accept" what this mean?
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:47 AM
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"a way of life that leads me find difficult to accept" what this mean?
Google translation isn't always so good, so we have to wait until the statement is published in english in some news website. Then we can know what he really meant.
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:49 AM
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In a situation like this Google translate is unfortunately not exact enough, i have a feeling that the exact wording of the statement is very important here and hopefully a romanian speaking person can enlighten us how accurate google go the translation.

That said, what i can make of it, it seems Mihai and Nicolas had a discussion about the topic, Mihai made the decision and Nicolas, although it wouldn't have been his decision, accepts the decision that was made...
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Old 08-11-2015, 07:58 AM
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I don't see how his charitavle works would have been a hinderance to the position, as implied by all this. It would have been of benefit for Romania. Some people have thought that sexuality may have bee an issue, and I thik that is valid though only speculation. I also think that rejigon may also be an issue. In a country, which I think still has deep religious beliefs, and a family that upholds the Christian church. Perhaps Nicholas is an atheist, or Buddhist.
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Old 08-11-2015, 08:35 AM
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Over the centuries, many monarchs and their heirs have lived lives which fly in the face of the social norms but they've done so quietly and privately. I can't see sexuality or religion being a factor in this.
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Old 08-11-2015, 08:48 AM
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An article in english about Nicholas' statement:
...I assume this decision, it comes following a period when I have reflected upon the future of the country and of our House, as well as upon the role that I can play for their growth. The position of prince of Romania and the presence in the line of succession are enforcing a way of conducting my life that I find difficult to accept. That’s why, I regretfully consider that the decision of HM the King is welcome to me. I will search in the future to serve my ideals and principles in a different way...
First statements of Prince Nicolae after removal from the line of succession _ The Romania Journal
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The position of prince of Romania and the presence in the line of succession are enforcing a way of conducting my life that I find difficult to accept.
Interesting and brave words from Nicolae. What's more, I can think of several royals who could potentially have said exactly the same sort of thing, but never did anything about it and ploughed on regardless becoming more and more unhappier.
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speechless....
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Old 08-11-2015, 10:13 AM
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Interesting and brave words from Nicolae. What's more, I can think of several royals who could potentially have said exactly the same sort of thing, but never did anything about it and ploughed on regardless becoming more and more unhappier.
i think you have a point there; others may have considered it but didn't act on that or possibly weren't given the opportunity to act on it..
If he saw his royal future as a golden cage, similar to how P.Claus of the Netherlands and (i think) P.Masako of Japan perceived it, this was the right choice to make
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