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Old 08-10-2015, 08:25 PM
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Princess Elena can reinstate her son in his previous position when she becomes Head of the Family.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:27 PM
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Sure, the King certainly decided to strip Nicholas of titles this morning, after receiving a call from the husband of Princess Margareta. Nicholas only discovered about everything together with the rest of us.

The Crown Princess and her machiavellian husband have now succeed on their plan to make Romania stay as a republic for ever and ever.

Makes a lot of sense.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:28 PM
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Margarita doesn't strike me as vindictive and though I find Radu a questionable figure, I don't think either of them had anything to do with this.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:29 PM
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I guess his sister Karina is now the heiress. Will she become a Princess?
In one of the articles I read it seems to be the King's intention to let the royal family end after the death of his daughter.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:32 PM
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The King has never spoken about the end of Monarchy.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:32 PM
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In one of the articles I read it seems to be the King's intention to let the royal family end after the death of his daughter.
Yes, but he has another three daughters that are Princesses of Romania and two granddaughters who are in the line of succession.

Also, after she becomes Head of the House (an event that, in all probability, will happen in the coming years), the Crown Princess can go against her father's decisions.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:34 PM
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Surely Princess Elena and her daughter will always support Nicholas.
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Old 08-10-2015, 08:59 PM
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Sure, the King certainly decided to strip Nicholas of titles this morning, after receiving a call from the husband of Princess Margareta. Nicholas only discovered about everything together with the rest of us.

The Crown Princess and her machiavellian husband have now succeed on their plan to make Romania stay as a republic for ever and ever.

Makes a lot of sense.
Margarita and Radu met with Michael in Switzerland in early August. The statement makes it clear that Nicholas knew what was happening, and he agreed. The statement refers to moral and emotional issues.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:01 PM
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Margarita doesn't strike me as vindictive and though I find Radu a questionable figure, I don't think either of them had anything to do with this.
The family met in early August in Switzerland
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The Statement did not clearly refer to any specific issue regarding Nicholas.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:03 PM
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Margarita and Radu met with Michael in Switzerland in early August. The statement makes it clear that Nicholas knew what was happening, and he agreed. The statement refers to moral and emotional issues.
I was being ironic, Marlene.
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Gosh, all this has happened so quickly. Nicholas (I guess it's official to call him by his English name now...) seemed like he was doing a good job, and he seemed to be rather passionate in getting children in Romania interested in reading. I can sort of understand why he wouldn't be able to handle the role, as before he became a prince he was a commoner and didn't have any official royal experiences. I can imagine that he had "prince training" at the beginning though.

I agree with those who have suggested that this is most likely due to a falling out. I apologise if this has already been asked, but do we know if Crown Princess Margarita was informed of this (as I read that King Mihai wants the succession line to end at her)?
Yes, she and Radu flew to Switzerland in early August
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Nicholas and his family must be very sad in this circumstance. A lot of Romanians are writting on the personalFacebook page of the young man expressing their closeness to him in these moments.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:17 PM
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Yes, she and Radu flew to Switzerland in early August
Thank you for the information Marlene. I have to wonder if the family has come to realize that their place in Romanian society will never be restored to what it was before the end of WWII. Perhaps they've realized that their role to continue to serve as patrons of cultural and charitable foundations is truly enough for them as a family. King Michael can rest in the knowledge that he and his family were able to return to his homeland and see it evolve from the terrible conditions imposed during the Ceausescu regime.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:33 PM
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Thank you for the information Marlene. I have to wonder if the family has come to realize that their place in Romanian society will never be restored to what it was before the end of WWII. Perhaps they've realized that their role to continue to serve as patrons of cultural and charitable foundations is truly enough for them as a family. King Michael can rest in the knowledge that he and his family were able to return to his homeland and see it evolve from the terrible conditions imposed during the Ceausescu regime.

25 years ago less of 10% of the population were in favour of the Family. Now there were more than 30% and Nicholas represented the hope for all these people.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:37 PM
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It is possible Margareta does not stand her ground as much with her father, but may sympathize with Nicholas and reinstate him and the others too.

I also find it interesting that Elena was contacted by Michael via a letter. It is already known that he has not spoken to Irina or her children for years. There is a disconnect in this family.
Thank you for mentioning this, Ceallach.

It is worth considering that perhaps King Michael *and* Crown Princess Margarita do not stand their ground as much as they should. Perhaps they both are sympathetic to Nicholas. Perhaps someone else near them is not.

In the past two decades, the Royal Family, as it were, has distanced itself from Princess Sophie (who was stripped of her title upon her marriage, though these were later reinstated), the former Princess Irina (who was stripped of her title for more obvious reasons) and now the former Prince Nicholas (who has been stripped of his title with no sensible explanation). Princess Marie is King Michael's youngest child and Crown Princess Margarita's goddaughter, so this may offer her some sort of protection from the treatment meted out to the rest of the family.

The King is in his golden years, and the Queen has been frail for quite some time. His Majesty seems to spend most of the year in Switzerland. This is perfectly reasonable as it does not appear that Queen Anne is in a condition to travel.

It would be wise to keep in mind that even though this proclamation would appear to emit from King Michael, that maybe His Majesty actually did not have much of a say in it.
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Old 08-10-2015, 09:46 PM
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Margarita doesn't strike me as vindictive and though I find Radu a questionable figure, I don't think either of them had anything to do with this.
The Princess seems divine.

A quote from the speech that she delivered at his 30th birthday party on 1 April 2015:

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Both Prince Radu and I are very proud of Nicolae, who is like our spiritual son. The country hasn't adopted him much yet, but he already adopted Romania, even if he wasn't born here. And this is just wonderful.

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Then there was this lovely photo-session which was released on 26 July 2015:
Vara, la S─ƒv├ór╚™in | Familia Regal─ƒ a Rom├óniei / Royal Family of Romania

Something does not seem quite right about all of this.
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Old 08-10-2015, 10:21 PM
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Then there was this lovely photo-session which was released on 26 July 2015:
Vara, la Săvârșin | Familia Regală a României / Royal Family of Romania

Something does not seem quite right about all of this.
Yes it seems strange to release that photo op of him spending vacation time with them; and a week later there is a meeting.
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As others have said, that's it. Any hope of a restoration is gone. It must be hereditary in this family to make the absolute worst decisions for their own well being. If it's a case of Nicolas not feeling up to it and not wanting to continue as ultimate heir, then it's on his shoulders that the monarchy will not be restored. If it's a case of others feeling he wasn't up to it, then they have shot themselves in the foot and have ruined any hope for this family to have a chance at being restored. Bah...bad situation all around. Someone screwed this up and I hope they all realize it.


*In light of the post below, and reading the communication to Marlene, it appears Nicholas did not instigate this and it was not his decision. So, I must hold the King responsible for the decision, and regardless of his reasoning, it is ultimately down to him that Nicholas was raised up, became popular, and now is demoted. Thus the King has created a bad , muddled, and unsavory situation and on his shoulders lay the responsibility for this.
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Old 08-11-2015, 12:28 AM
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Thank you for the information Marlene. I have to wonder if the family has come to realize that their place in Romanian society will never be restored to what it was before the end of WWII. Perhaps they've realized that their role to continue to serve as patrons of cultural and charitable foundations is truly enough for them as a family. King Michael can rest in the knowledge that he and his family were able to return to his homeland and see it evolve from the terrible conditions imposed during the Ceausescu regime.
thanks. I have an updated post. The google translation got it wrong. Michael did not say anything about end of family ... Margarita will have right to name her heir when she is head. I just spent an hour chatting with the RF's lawyer Royal Musings: More on King Michael's decision.
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