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Old 08-10-2015, 02:48 PM
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Certainly Nicolae's public life was nothing but good work, not to mention good press for the family. He seemed to be reasonably popular.
yeah, it might not be his public "ideals" but his private ones, in which case i guess we might find out in years to come (or not at all)
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:55 PM
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This raises an interesting point. When Nicolae was 'installed' as Margarita's successor, there was talk about it coming across as a very imperious move. Romania was never an elective monarchy (I think I'm right in saying that?) so surely Margarita is bound to follow the Fundamental Laws of her father or give the entire matter over to parliament should there be a restoration, in which case, parliament may reinstate Nicolae as they may be fine with the ideals he has which the King disagrees with?
That's possible, in the event of a restoration, the Parliament could recognize the Crown Princess as Queen of Romania and name Nicholas as her successor.

The only problem is if Nicholas is not really interested in continue the dynasty.

But, if there's no restoration, who will be the Head of the Royal House after the Crown Princess' passing?
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:57 PM
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That's possible, in the event of a restoration, the Parliament could recognize the Crown Princess as Queen of Romania and name Nicholas as her successor.

The only problem is if Nicholas is not really interested in continue the dynasty.

But, if there's no restoration, who will be the Head of the Royal House after the Crown Princess' passing?
As I understand it, it'll pass to her sister Helen and then to Nicolae's sister Elisabeth. But this would open up the old debates about the King's right to change the laws of succession. Again!
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:57 PM
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The use of the word 'ideals' is what concerns me. It makes it sound as if there's been some major disagreement concerning Nicolae's private life.
Perhaps the Prince is gay?
Just a guess...
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:58 PM
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This raises an interesting point. When Nicolae was 'installed' as Margarita's successor, there was talk about it coming across as a very imperious move. Romania was never an elective monarchy (I think I'm right in saying that?) so surely Margarita is bound to follow the Fundamental Laws of her father or give the entire matter over to parliament should there be a restoration, in which case, parliament may reinstate Nicolae as they may be fine with the ideals he has which the King disagrees with?
No restoration possible, ever. Without a united family all willing to work towards the goal of restoration, it isn't going to happen, especially when you loose someone as prominent as the King's grandson. He has traveled the nation, learned to speak Romanian, if somewhat haltingly, met with local politicians and villagers, put so much work into his role and now he withdraws? This is the ultimate in bad public relations. He brought youth and energy to the royal family, just as his aunt brought dignity and confidence to her role as CP. Now that is all gone.
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:59 PM
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No restoration possible, ever. Without a united family all willing to work towards the goal of restoration, it isn't going to happen, especially when you loose someone as prominent as the King's grandson. He has traveled the nation, learned to speak Romanian, if somewhat haltingly, met with local politicians and villagers, put so much work into his role and now he withdraws? This is the ultimate in bad public relations. He brought youth and energy to the royal family, just as his aunt brought dignity and confidence to her role as CP. Now that is all gone.
Sadly that does seem the case doesn't it? Even if they tried the same 'make-over' with his sister, I can't see the Romanian people being quite so enthusiastic as they appeared to be when Nicolae came onto the scene.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:00 PM
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The king speak about the modesty in the statement. I'm almost sure that he is implicated in a scandal and probably will be revealed by the press in the next few days. He did something wrong, this is my opinion and this is the reason.We will see! I will keep you in touch because i'm from romania.
According to the statement, Nicholas has done nothing wrong.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:01 PM
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Perhaps the Prince is gay?
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And you mean that he found it out just now? He didn't know it when he came to Romania and settled to his role?

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According to the statement, Nicholas has done nothing wrong.
Yes, we should remember that.
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Sadly that does seem the case doesn't it? Even if they tried the same 'make-over' with his sister, I can't see the Romanian people being quite so enthusiastic as they appeared to be when Nicolae came onto the scene.
Karina is not going to be "groomed" as the second in line. She does not live in Romania.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:05 PM
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Karina is not going to be "groomed" as the second in line. She does not live in Romania.
So there's no future for Romanian Royal Family. After the passing of the Crown Princess and her sisters, there will no Romanian royals left.
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Sadly that does seem the case doesn't it? Even if they tried the same 'make-over' with his sister, I can't see the Romanian people being quite so enthusiastic as they appeared to be when Nicolae came onto the scene.
The King's family will be seen as not dedicated or wishy-washy, fair or not. The only really public figures were the CP, her husband, and Nicolae, they were the face of the royal family. It isn't as if the CP has a bunch of kids of her own with one "not fitting in", her nephew was pretty much it. Maybe, if when Nicolae was made a prince, his sister was also made a princess and they both worked toward a restoration, this might have either not happened or not been as important. But the entire dynasty was placed on one young man's head, and maybe that was unrealistic.
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I also think he is gay.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:08 PM
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I also think he is gay.
And he just discovered he is gay now, at 30? Wasn't him in a long-time relationship some time ago?
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:09 PM
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Karina is not going to be "groomed" as the second in line. She does not live in Romania.
It did seem like a long shot. I just wonder where they go once Nicolae is removed. It seems like the King is actively shutting the family down as it were.

As to whether Nicolae is gay or not, I think we'd be naive if we assumed every member of European royalty today is straight! I can't see that this would be a problem at all unless he was planning to come out and settle down with a partner. In which case, good on him; far better to be happy with nothing than to be unhappy waiting on something that might never happen. But I doubt it is that and if it is, that's his private life and none of our business IMO.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:11 PM
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I don't think he is gay, he has had a long-term relationship with woman and I guess there are some other gays in noble or royal circles. He was old enough to decide his future before he became prince.
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Old 08-10-2015, 03:13 PM
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So there's no future for Romanian Royal Family. After the passing of the Crown Princess and her sisters, there will no Romanian royals left.
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If Nicolae isn't up to carrying on the legacy, Margarita has no children, Irena has been in legal trouble which throws her kids out of the running, I do not believe Maria has any children, that leaves Nicolae's sister Elizabeta, which, at this point, would be like starting from scratch. It is over, sad to say.
Irina's two children have not had contact with their maternal grandfather in many years
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The use of the word 'ideals' is what concerns me. It makes it sound as if there's been some major disagreement concerning Nicolae's private life.
It may be a generational ideological thing as he has implied that it ends after his daughters thus eliminated all of his grandchildren. Nicholas is only mentioned because he was the only one promoted to prince. This may not be the end, as other royal families reigning and non-reigning have taken someone out of succession over an ideals issues such as choice of spouse/divorce to later put them back in. It may be about who he is dating or a difference in how the role is defined. Nicholas has been defining his own role with sports and NGOs and that may not be how Michael thinks he should be fulfilling his duties.

It is possible Margareta does not stand her ground as much with her father, but may sympathize with Nicholas and reinstate him and the others too.

I also find it interesting that Elena was contacted by Michael via a letter. It is already known that he has not spoken to Irina or her children for years. There is a disconnect in this family.
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For those of you who know much more about the succession issues in Romania:

If this was caused by something Nicolae did that king thought was totally inappropriate, would it be technically possible for his aunt (crown princess Margareta) to reinstate him into the line for the throne the day she becomes queen? (That is, if she doesn't agree with the kings' decision and he would be willing to take on royal duties again)
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This is shocking. As Romanian monarchist I may say this is a huge step back in restauration
I hope King knows what he is doing

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This is shocking. As Romanian monarchist I may say this is a huge step back in restauration
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Out of all the exiles, I always felt Romania stood a real chance. Now it seems they've fallen at the final hurdle.
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