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Old 10-05-2014, 03:19 PM
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Many of the named partners are not royal, I of course meant 'blue blooded' (= of royal or aristocratic descent).

If you want to wave to commoners on that balcony, you can elect them by yourself. Every four years. What a bargain, I would say...



If that simple, but profound, difference is not even acceptable anymore, then I would say: let us stop with all the comedy and pretend that the ladies we wave to are 'royal'. The more all this goes on, the classmate of Letizia in Oviedo or the collegue of Mette-Marit in that bar have the very same 'right' on labelling themselves 'royal'. People refusing to see all this ("Aaaaw.... isn't Sofia Hellqvist cuuuuute...") are sticking the head in the sand for the intrinsic erosion of the fundaments of what a monarchy still is. At the same time when a new partner pop up, people are frantically looking for royal or noble descendants.... "Aaaaw... Catherine Middleton descents from William the Conqueror!" while they claim that it is not important... Jejeje....

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Old 10-05-2014, 03:40 PM
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None of Michael's children married in accordance to the old house rules. Nicholas himself is the son of a "commoner." None of Michael's children or grandchildren are entitled to inherit under the old house rules either, yet Michael has decided that the Romanian House will be inherited by them. These rules have changed in this family.
Oh! So what is all the fuss about equality?

Update - I thought a debate had been started over snobbery because Nicolae had to marry a royal or nobel blood, but I got the wrong end of the stick and shouldn't have got involved. So I am deleting the relevant post/s i made as i think they are irrelevant!
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Old 10-05-2014, 03:56 PM
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To me it´s snobism at its purest to claim that a person can only take a higher position in society because of a royal/ noble background while others don´t! Even the word "unequal" occurs so outdated to me, like something from another period of history, it almost hurts! We´re not living before WW 1 anymore!
We're not, but most of these house laws are from that era. Furthermore, since many of these houses haven't been in power since WWI, they haven't been able to update their succession laws.

I'm not typically an advocate for "equal" marriages and I agree that they're outdated. Marrying aristocrats and royals can be beneficial to a royal because they're of the same class and likely to be able to adapt to the confines of royal life easier than those of us with more freedom. However there are a good many royal consorts who have proven that being of the right background isn't always enough to make a royal marriage work. There are also a good many royal consorts who have shown that being of the wrong background isn't always a detriment - Daniel of Sweden and Mary of Denmark both come to mind here.

Once again, the problem that non-reigning houses face is the continued questioning of their legitimacy. They don't have any means to change the house laws, at least not any means that will be universally accepted, so they have to appear to follow them in order to maintain their legitimacy. Once again, I have to bring up a comparison to the Russians. Many of the Russian dynasts failed to adhere to the house marriage laws, leading to the chaos surrounding the succession now - is Prince Dimitri the head of the house, as most of the house itself claims, or is it Grand Duchess Maria? If it's the Grand Duchess then what happens to that claim if her son marries unequally, as Prince Dimitri did? Only in following these old rules while they're non-reigning can the houses themselves ensure that their legitimacy won't be contested.
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Old 10-06-2014, 03:04 AM
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To me it´s snobism at its purest to claim that a person can only take a higher position in society because of a royal/ noble background while others don´t! Even the word "unequal" occurs so outdated to me, like something from another period of history, it almost hurts! We´re not living before WW 1 anymore!

Are you referring to HRH Prince Nicolae?
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Old 10-06-2014, 04:31 AM
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Are you referring to HRH Prince Nicolae?
Well my wish is that Prince Nicolae, who has a commoner father, and is a grandson of King Michael by his second daughter would strenghten his standing and "claim" by marrying Standesgemäß (which is not at all that strict as Ebenbürtig). My reasons for that is "keeping the blood blue", strenghten his position because in essence he is just an English commoner born in Switzerland claiming a position in the Royal House of Romania... (thanks to a succession "reviewed" into his advantage).

A good marriage which adds to his standing and prestige does no harm, I would say. And if that is labelled 'snobbery', so be it. If I may advise Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills, pardon, Prince Nicolae of Romania: marry some nice lady with a backgroud rooted in aristocracy. It will bring you status, prestige, your children with that lady will be rooted in European aristocracy both via the mother and the father. It is always worth to consider such things.

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Old 10-06-2014, 06:28 AM
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Well my wish is that Prince Nicolae, who has a commoner father, and is a grandson of King Michael by his second daughter would strenghten his standing and "claim" by marrying Standesgemäß (which is not at all that strict as Ebenbürtig). My reasons for that is "keeping the blood blue", strenghten his position because in essence he is just an English commoner born in Switzerland claiming a position in the Royal House of Romania... (thanks to a succession "reviewed" into his advantage).

A good marriage which adds to his standing and prestige does no harm, I would say. And if that is labelled 'snobbery', so be it. If I may advise Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills, pardon, Prince Nicolae of Romania: marry some nice lady with a backgroud rooted in aristocracy. It will bring you status, prestige, your children with that lady will be rooted in European aristocracy both via the mother and the father. It is always worth to consider such things.

I have one "candidate"-princess Olympia of Greece !
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Old 10-06-2014, 07:06 AM
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Well, I'm surprised Nicolae has time to find even a girlfriend let alone a potential wife as he seems so busy these days. I wonder what kind of circles he moves in socially speaking and what he does in his spare time?
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Old 10-06-2014, 08:27 AM
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Well, you can meet a partner everywhere. Would the then Prince of Orange ever have imagined that he would bump into his partner when visiting the Feria de Abril in Sevilla, in 1999?

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Old 10-12-2014, 05:07 AM
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From prince Nicolae's Facebook, logbooks from prince Nicolae's trip in Romania on 7th-20th October with the crew of TV-program Ora Regelui.
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 1 Facebook
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 2 Facebook
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 3 Facebook
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 4 Facebook

Prince Nicolae on a visit at Buzau
News Buzau - EXCLUSIV – Principele Nicolae al Romaniei, in vizita privata la Buzau (FOTO). Vezi aici amanunte inedite si ce a declarat A.S. Regala pentru NEWS BUZAU!
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Old 10-12-2014, 05:32 AM
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I must say Nicholas comes over as a very charming gentleman, always with a broad smile.
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I find him very handsome! It would be great if he started travelling to represent Romania.


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Old 10-12-2014, 12:12 PM
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I agree! Let´s hope for the best, keep our fingers crossed, for a King Nicolas of Romania one day!
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:20 PM
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From prince Nicolae's Facebook, logbooks from prince Nicolae's trip in Romania on 7th-20th October with the crew of TV-program Ora Regelui.
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 3 Facebook
I like the photos of Prince Nicolae and his dog.
My favorite is the one where the dog looks directly down at the open book.
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Old 10-14-2014, 02:20 AM
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From prince Nicolae's Facebook, he continues his trip in Romania
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 5 Facebook
Visit to the Corvin Castle
Jurnal de Calatorie cu Ora Regelui, ziua 6 Facebook

Principele Nicolae al României a vizitat Sarmizegetusa Regia - Servus HunedoaraServus Hunedoara
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Old 10-18-2014, 06:53 AM
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Prince Nicolae was on Friday in Valea Izvoarelor in Mures County, where he donated with the campaign "Children's books to every home" packages with books and school supplies to more than 300 students from several schools in the county. In total, 2,500 students from 20 schools will receive books. He encouraged the children to read and transmitted them that reading can open new horizons and helps them see life differently.
Association "Curtea Veche" with support Herlitz Romania, Azomureş and Diverta arrived on Friday to Mures as part of the national program of reading held by members of the Royal Family of Romania. Here, prince Nicolae offered books and autographs to each child and confessed that among his favorite books were adventures.
FOTO Principele Nicolae îndeamnă copiii să iubească lectura
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Principele Nicolae, donație de carte în județul Mureș Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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Old 10-18-2014, 07:37 AM
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Thank you, Ladyfinn! By Pr. Nicolae I became more and more intersted in the romanian royal family. This young man has such a great charme and approach to people! It always surprises me how much respect the (ex-) royal family receives by the Romanians!
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Prince Nicolae attended on Thursday evening at a charity concert for "Children's books to every home". Photos and video of the prince's speech
Prinţul Nicolae la Cluj-Napoca „Anul viitor voi merge cu bicicleta de la Sighetu Marmaţiei la Constanţa” (Foto+Video) NapocaNews

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Concert caritabil la Cluj-Napoca în sprijinul lecturii Familia Regală a României Royal Family of Romania
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Prince Nicolae was on Friday in Valea Izvoarelor in Mures County, where he donated with the campaign "Children's books to every home" packages with books and school supplies to more than 300 students from several schools in the county. In total, 2,500 students from 20 schools will receive books. He encouraged the children to read and transmitted them that reading can open new horizons and helps them see life differently.
Association "Curtea Veche" with support Herlitz Romania, Azomureş and Diverta arrived on Friday to Mures as part of the national program of reading held by members of the Royal Family of Romania. Here, prince Nicolae offered books and autographs to each child and confessed that among his favorite books were adventures.
FOTO Principele Nicolae îndeamnă copiii să iubească lectura
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I completely agree with His Royal Highness Prince Nicolae about reading: "You must feel the paper you read"
When my father was a little boy, Grand-mere (his mother) stated that a bibliotheque (library) could have been built around him.
Reading is extremely important.
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A good marriage which adds to his standing and prestige does no harm, I would say. And if that is labelled 'snobbery', so be it. If I may advise Mr Nicholas Medforth-Mills, pardon, Prince Nicolae of Romania: marry some nice lady with a backgroud rooted in aristocracy. It will bring you status, prestige, your children with that lady will be rooted in European aristocracy both via the mother and the father. It is always worth to consider such things.

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No, a "good marriage", let´s say like the ones of the CP-couples of Scandinavia, the dutch royal couple or the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge not only do not hurt, they are absolutely vital these days for monarchies to survive, while like ones of the first marriage of the Prince of Wales to a certain aristocratic lady of Norfolk origin or former King and Queen of Spain could almost bring it to a downfall! I certainly know that "equal" marriages can be as happy as the first here mentioned. But the best guarantee, if there is any, for a successful marriage still seems to be free choice of partners!
To your remark "snobbery- be it!" I can only say, I could never respect or admire a snobbish royal family! If I had the faintest clue they were I wouldn´t be a monarchist, that´s for sure. But that´s only MY opinion...

I just ask myself how do you come to the conclusion, after the experience of the past 40 or so years, that commoners marrying into royal houses weaken it while the opposite is the fact! (But I agree with you on Miss Hellqvist when it comes to suitability - but that´s of another thread)
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With all due respect I do not think the marriages of the Prince of Wales or the King and Queen of Spain failed because they were aristocratic. I will say that Queen Sofia, whatever King Juan Carlos may have done, has shown a tremendous dedication to duty and that comes, to a large degree, from her background. Whatever personal unhappiness she may have she has not let it affect her sense of duty to the people of Spain. Something that can not be said for Lady Diana Spencer.

While I feel Prince Nicolai has shown great promise as heir to his grandfather and aunt based on his own work I also understand the prestige and legitimacy marrying a woman of the right background could bring. Likewise I believe the woman he marries ultimately should be someone he loves and respects and she him. That would be the first and most important criteria. A woman of royal pedigree would be icing on the cake.
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